Re: Use of num instead of float

2005-12-20 Thread Roger Browne
Joshua Isom wrote: > ... proposing to change all floats to nums ... I have no objection to the proposed change - but it would be interesting to know the motivation behind this proposal. In some languages, 'num'/'number'/'numeric'/'bignum' implies decimal arithmetic and 'float'/'real'/'double' impl

Re: Use of num instead of float

2005-12-20 Thread Dale
On Dec 19, 2005, at 20:31 , Joshua Isom wrote: I was talking to Leo in the IRC room and he told me post onto the list about proposing to change all floats to nums. Code such as `.local float i` would instead be written as `.local num i`, but as I gather it, current behavior would remain t

Re: Shootout Updates Posted

2005-12-20 Thread Leopold Toetsch
On Dec 20, 2005, at 4:01, Joshua Hoblitt wrote: I'm surprised that Parrot's memory usage is so high relative to other platforms. It looks like a hog even relative to Java. Has anyone taken a serious look at where all that memory is going? Memory usage as well as startup time aren't optimi

Re: Shootout Updates Posted

2005-12-20 Thread Leopold Toetsch
On Dec 20, 2005, at 1:35, Brent Fulgham wrote: FYI, the revised shootout updates are on the site: http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/sandbox/benchmark.php? test=all&lang=parrot Yeah, I've seen it. Thanks a lot for updating all. Performance seems much better with the interpreter flags sugge

ChangeLog serves no purpose

2005-12-20 Thread Joshua Hoblitt
In it's current form ChangeLog is little more than a pointer to NEWS. This is really defeating the purpose of what ChangeLog is supposed to contain; detailed information about changes. It is also more or less redundant with the function of NEWS. However, I am not proposing that people start addin

Re: ChangeLog serves no purpose

2005-12-20 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 02:03:44AM -1000, Joshua Hoblitt wrote: > people start adding detailed information to ChangeLog. I think it is > entirely reasonable to machine generate this file with svn2cl[1] before > each release. Comments? Generating it from the subversion commit messages seems a go

Re: Test::Harness spitting an error

2005-12-20 Thread Michael G Schwern
On 12/15/05, Troy Denkinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I wrote a test harness - you'll find the code below my signature, if > you're interested. When I run it, I get the following: > > You said to run 0 tests! You've got to run something. > # Looks like your test died before it could output

Re: Test::Harness spitting an error

2005-12-20 Thread Michael G Schwern
On 12/19/05, Troy Denkinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The error is related to my pod.t which is, just as in the docs: > > use Test::More; > eval "use Test::Pod 1.14"; > plan skip_all => "Test::Pod 1.14 required for testing POD" if $@; > all_pod_files_ok(); > > Running this under my test harness

Re: Use of num instead of float

2005-12-20 Thread Will Coleda
As a parrot user, I have two feelings about this proposal 1) A very small part of me thinks that this would improve a small consistency nit which I've already lived with for... 4 years? 2) A much larger part would find it another inconvenience in a long line of (each one justifiable in its

Re: ChangeLog serves no purpose

2005-12-20 Thread Will Coleda
Anything that makes it easier for developers to develop is a good thing. On Dec 20, 2005, at 7:40 AM, Nicholas Clark wrote: On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 02:03:44AM -1000, Joshua Hoblitt wrote: people start adding detailed information to ChangeLog. I think it is entirely reasonable to machine gene

Re: ChangeLog serves no purpose

2005-12-20 Thread jerry gay
On 12/20/05, Joshua Hoblitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In it's current form ChangeLog is little more than a pointer to NEWS. > This is really defeating the purpose of what ChangeLog is supposed to > contain; detailed information about changes. It is also more or less > redundant with the functio

Re: Use of num instead of float

2005-12-20 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Dec 19, 2005, at 8:31 PM, Joshua Isom wrote: >I was talking to Leo in the IRC room and he told me post onto the >list about proposing to change all floats to nums. Code such as >`.local float i` would instead be written as `.local num i`, but as >I gather it, current behavior would remai

Re: Test::Harness spitting an error

2005-12-20 Thread Troy Denkinger
Michael G Schwern wrote: That's an error from Test::Builder (ie. the thing behind Test::More and others) and not Test::Harness. Its coming from the test program your harness is running, not from the harness itself. [snip] Thanks, Michael. I'll try that. Regards, Troy

Re: [perl #37992] [PATCH] Conditional jump or move depends on uninitialised value

2005-12-20 Thread Steve Gunnell
*sigh* Please don't apply this patch ... It causes the most recent svn tree to segfault when trying to build PGE: gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/home/steveg/parrot/src/dynclasses' gmake -C compilers/pge gmake[1]: Entering directory `/home/steveg/parrot/compilers/pge' ../../parrot mklib.pir >PGE/Li

Announcing "Amber for Parrot 0.4.0 (Induction)"

2005-12-20 Thread Roger Browne
I have released "Amber for Parrot" version 0.4.0 (Induction): Downloads: http://xamber.org/download.html Release history: http://xamber.org/history.html Project home page: http://xamber.org/index.html "Amber for Parrot" is an Eiffel-like scripting language for the Parrot Virtual Machine. Changes

Re: [perl #37992] [PATCH] Conditional jump or move depends on uninitialised value

2005-12-20 Thread Steve Gunnell
The errors reported by valgrind have also gone in the latest SVN release. This now seems to be a non-issue. 8-)

Re: ChangeLog serves no purpose

2005-12-20 Thread Leopold Toetsch
On Dec 20, 2005, at 16:45, jerry gay wrote: ... automatic generation sounds great, but it's no good without clear commit messages. one or two word commit messages should be shunned in favor of brief yet clear descriptions of the change, including which parrot components are affected. here are

Re: ChangeLog serves no purpose

2005-12-20 Thread Joshua Hoblitt
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 07:45:30AM -0800, jerry gay wrote: > On 12/20/05, Joshua Hoblitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In it's current form ChangeLog is little more than a pointer to NEWS. > > This is really defeating the purpose of what ChangeLog is supposed to > > contain; detailed information a

Re: ChangeLog serves no purpose

2005-12-20 Thread Joshua Hoblitt
On Tue, Dec 20, 2005 at 11:56:17PM +0100, Leopold Toetsch wrote: > I've tried that mentioned svn2cl util for the 50 last revs. Due to file > moves or other global changes a lot of the created ChangeLog entries > are a meaningless mess of a list of filenames + an "oneliner". If I > need this I ca

[perl #37992] [PATCH] Conditional jump or move depends on uninitialised value

2005-12-20 Thread via RT
# New Ticket Created by Steve Gunnell # Please include the string: [perl #37992] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # https://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=37992 > It hasn't fixed my Segfaulting but along the way valgrind was reporting a lot of error

[perl #37993] [BUG] optimized parrot behaves differently than non-optimized (win32-msvc)

2005-12-20 Thread via RT
# New Ticket Created by jerry gay # Please include the string: [perl #37993] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # https://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=37993 > compiling either with msvc 6.0 or 7.1 on win32, parrot behaves differently wrt 0 vs -0 dep

Re: ChangeLog serves no purpose

2005-12-20 Thread jesse
> I think that sort of metadata is more appropriate for an RT ticket. A > commit messages should describe primarily * what* is being changed > instead of *why* the change is being made. Of course, including the > *why* doesn't hurt but I don't believe it should be part of our > guidelines. (Th

[perl #37997] r10604 build failure on Cygwin

2005-12-20 Thread via RT
# New Ticket Created by Justin Koser # Please include the string: [perl #37997] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # https://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=37997 > Hello Parrot hackers, I'm trying to build Subversion revision 10604 of Parrot on Cygwi

Re: the $! too global

2005-12-20 Thread Darren Duncan
Following the discussions from 2 weeks ago, are there any plans to update the synopsis soon regarding the $! variable? Synopsis 2 still says that it is conjectural to whether $! is always environmental. Thanks. -- Darren Duncan