At 04:58 14/10/2005 -0700, you wrote:
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Simon Vogl wrote:
[ ... ]
Here are some rele
Darren Duncan wrote:
In this case, I support the use of any international currency symbol
for use as Perl sigils and/or operators as appropriate. Eg, we
already use $ (dollar; unicode=0024; utf8=24) and ¥ (yen;
unicode=00A5; utf8=C2A5), and I suggest that the next best one to
exploit is ¤ (e
On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 06:39:34PM -0600, Luke Palmer wrote:
> On 10/20/05, Nate Wiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Luke Palmer wrote:
> > > The fact that we use . instead of -> (like every other language on
> > > the planet)?
> >
> > You're using my argument for me - thanks. See above.
>
> Huh?
On 10/21/05, Benjamin Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 06:39:34PM -0600, Luke Palmer wrote:
> > Huh? So you want to go back to Perl 5's arrow? *Anybody* coming to
> > Perl 6 from some non-Perl 5 language is going to be more comfortable
> > with dot.
>
> Unless it was Sm
On 10/21/05, Luke Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/21/05, Benjamin Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 06:39:34PM -0600, Luke Palmer wrote:
> > > Huh? So you want to go back to Perl 5's arrow? *Anybody* coming to
> > > Perl 6 from some non-Perl 5 language is goi
Where did you get ALT-155 from?
I've just checked the windows Character Map, and ¢ (cent) is ALT-0162
( If it's not in your startmenu, do start -> run -> charmap )
It displays in Eclipse (3.1.1) whether the Text File Encoding is set to
Cp1252 (default) or UTF-8 or ISO-8859-1
Cheers,
Carl
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Luke Palmer wrote:
Huh? So you want to go back to Perl 5's arrow? *Anybody* coming to
Perl 6 from some non-Perl 5 language is going to be more comfortable
with dot.
(Also, I did like the arrow notation, but) how cool would be
@cool=grep ->cool, @misc; # if compared to
On Wed, Oct 19, 2005 at 03:02:22AM -0700, Joshua Hoblitt wrote:
> Any objections?
Nobody objected. Applied as r9527.
Cheers,
-J
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On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 11:03:07AM +0200, Bra??o Tichý wrote:
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Steve Peters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Luke Palmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc:
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 4:21 AM
> Subject: Re: new sigil
>
>
> >
> >But I may have to support your co
On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 09:42:00AM +0100, Carl Franks wrote:
> Where did you get ALT-155 from?
>
> I've just checked the windows Character Map, and ¢ (cent) is ALT-0162
> ( If it's not in your startmenu, do start -> run -> charmap )
Actually, both work. That's where the issus with the documentat
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From: "Patrick R. Michaud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>I can state the compelling reason for this one -- it's way too
confusing when $1, $2, $3, etc. correspond to $/[0], $/[1], $/[2], etc.
>In many discussions of capturing semantics earlier in the year,
nearly everyone usin
Brent 'Dax' Royal-Gordon skribis 2005-10-20 21:42 (-0700):
> @ Array sigil Array sigil
> $ Scalar sigilScalar sigil
> % Hash sigil Hash sigil, modulo
In non-term, it's not a sigil. There cannot be two subsequent terms.
This is why it makes no sense to wa
Steve Peters skribis 2005-10-21 6:07 (-0500):
> Older versions of Eclipse are not able to enter these characters. That's
> where the copy and paste comes in.
That's where upgrades come in.
Juerd
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On 21/10/05, Steve Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 09:42:00AM +0100, Carl Franks wrote:
> > Where did you get ALT-155 from?
> >
> > I've just checked the windows Character Map, and ¢ (cent) is ALT-0162
> > ( If it's not in your startmenu, do start -> run -> charmap )
>
>
>From within a PIR sub or method, how can I detect how many return values
the caller is expecting?
I'm wondering how to implement a method that will return an error code
if its caller is prepared to receive one, otherwise it will raise an
exception.
Anyone have any suggestions?
Regards,
Roger Br
At 04:58 14/10/2005 -0700, you wrote:
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Simon Vogl wrote:
[ ... ]
Here are some rele
On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 02:37:09PM +0200, Juerd wrote:
> Steve Peters skribis 2005-10-21 6:07 (-0500):
> > Older versions of Eclipse are not able to enter these characters. That's
> > where the copy and paste comes in.
>
> That's where upgrades come in.
>
That's where lots of money to update to
On 10/21/05, Steve Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 02:37:09PM +0200, Juerd wrote:
> > Steve Peters skribis 2005-10-21 6:07 (-0500):
> > > Older versions of Eclipse are not able to enter these characters. That's
> > > where the copy and paste comes in.
> >
> > That's wh
Speaking of which the advantage of, say, « over << is that the former
is _one_ charachter. But Y, compared to ¥, is one charachter only as
well, and is even more visually distinctive with most fonts I know of,
afaict, so is there any good reason to keep the latter as the
"official" one?!?
I'd like to propose a new metamodel that (I hope) will meet all the
specs @Larry has stated thus far. This metamodel is in two parts.
Part the first:
There is a single object given to P6 called Factory. (No, Steve, there
are no turtles.) Factory has two behaviors, no state, and no classes.
The beh
- Original Message -
From: "Steve Peters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Luke Palmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc:
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 4:21 AM
Subject: Re: new sigil
But I may have to support your code. That's the issue.
Isn't perl6 assuming the source file is in UTF-8 unless e
> For me AltGr + C gives Copyright-symbol "(c)".
For me too, but AltGr + shift + E gives ¢.
/Stefan Lidman
On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 09:35:12AM -0400, Rob Kinyon wrote:
> On 10/21/05, Steve Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 02:37:09PM +0200, Juerd wrote:
> > > Steve Peters skribis 2005-10-21 6:07 (-0500):
> > > > Older versions of Eclipse are not able to enter these characters
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Rutger Vos wrote:
_one_ charachter. But Y, compared to ¥, is one charachter only as well,
and is even more visually distinctive with most fonts I know of, afaict,
so is there any good reason to keep the latter as the "official" one?!?
Do you even need to ask? It's beca
> Speaking of which, the advantage of, say, « over << is that the former
> is _one_ character. But Y, compared to ¥, is one character only as
> well, and is even more visually distinctive with most fonts I know of,
> afaict, so is there any good reason to keep the latter as the
> "official" one?!?
The Class::Role and Class::Roles modules on CPAN implement a form of
compile-time Perl6 role composition for Perl5.
Neither supports run-time role composition, as-in:
http://dev.perl.org/perl6/doc/design/syn/S12.html#Roles
The does operator returns the object so you can nest mixins:
On 2005-10-21 10:10 AM, "Steve Peters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I saying that, since my up-to-date version of vi on my up-to-date OpenBSD
> can't type, much less even allow me to paste in, a Latin-1 character, this
> is an issue.
If you're using stock vi rather than vim or elvis or at least n
> > So, you are proposing that the Perl of the Unicode era be limited to
> > ASCII because a 15 year old editor cannot handle the charset? That's
> > like suggesting that operating systems should all be bootable from a
> > single floppy because not everyone has access to a CD drive.
>
> I saying th
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Steve Peters wrote:
> Again, I'd prefer not to be fired. Everything you have written above is
> not an option for the majority of the programmers out there. Also, not
> to helpful if you write your programs in TSO on an IBM mainframe.
In general true, but the cent sign was
On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 09:14:15PM -0400, John Adams wrote:
> From: Luke Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > But $1 in Perl 5 wasn't the same as $1 in a shell script.
>
> I'm all for breaking things that need breaking, which is why I
> keep my mouth shut most of the time--either I see the reason or
Steve Peters skribis 2005-10-21 9:10 (-0500):
> I saying that, since my up-to-date version of vi on my up-to-date OpenBSD
> can't type, much less even allow me to paste in, a Latin-1 character, this
> is an issue.
You should report this bug. Hopefully, it will then be fixed before Perl
6 is relea
On 10/20/05, Juerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Larry Wall skribis 2005-10-20 7:56 (-0700):
> > the new sigil is the cent sign, so ::T is now written ¢T instead.
>
> 1. What does it look like? I've never used a cent sign, and have seen
> several.
It looks like a lowercase c with a vertical line
On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 10:30:40AM -0400, Rob Kinyon wrote:
> > > So, you are proposing that the Perl of the Unicode era be limited to
> > > ASCII because a 15 year old editor cannot handle the charset? That's
> > > like suggesting that operating systems should all be bootable from a
> > > single f
On 21/10/05, Steve Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I honestly don't know or care what flavor of vi I using, since it usually
> changes depending on what *nix flavor I'm working on. I also don't think that
> it should make a difference what editor I'm using with a programming language.
> Others
On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 05:27:53PM +0200, Schneelocke wrote:
> On 21/10/05, Steve Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I honestly don't know or care what flavor of vi I using, since it usually
> > changes depending on what *nix flavor I'm working on. I also don't think
> > that
> > it should mak
There is now rudimentary support for converting parrot objects to
JSON strings.
11:56 JSON?
11:56 well, JSON is Javascript Object Notation, at
http://www.crockford.com/JSON/
From the SYNPOSIS:
+ # generate a JSON representation of a PMC.
+ $S0 = _json( $P0 )
+
+ # genera
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:52:04 -0600, Thom Boyer wrote (in part):
Thom> On 10/20/05, Juerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 2. How can it be typed with X character composition, vim's digraphs
>> and major international keyboards?
For X11 composition, where getting into compose state is up to your X
e
Luke Palmer wrote:
As I mentioned earlier, most programmers in a corporate environment
>> have
limited access to system settings.
And in those kinds of corporate environments, you're not going to be
working with any code but code written in-house. Which means that
nobody is going to be using L
HaloO,
Brent 'Dax' Royal-Gordon wrote:
Steve Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
~ seems to be available for a sigil, if my reading of S02 is correct, and
the cent sign is replacing :: in all cases. If not (that is $::foo is
still the global variable named foo) then * may also be available.
Luke Palmer wrote:
Every regex engine in every language uses $1 or \1. This includes Java,
JavaScript, C, PHP, Python, awk, sed, the GNU regex libs, etc. Somehow
other languages seem ok with this, because it's a widely-used convention.
Perl 6's patterns are _not_ regexes anymore. But I doubt t
TSa skribis 2005-10-21 18:54 (+0200):
> My 2¢ is that we should reap ^ from the one junction and promote it to
> become the 'runtime type information carrier' sigil---like the wings
> on the feet of Hermes/Mercury :)
It is not necessary (or sane, but that's an opinion) to reap it from the
junction
On 2005-10-21 1:54 PM, "Nate Wiger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> BTW, C and PHP both use -> "still".
C++ is probably more relevant than C, but since it inherited the syntax,
same diff. But in their case the underlying form is still a dot; A->B is
just syntactic sugar for (*A).B. The distinction
Feh - I really need to get on gmail's case for providing a keystroke
for "Reply to All".
Rob
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From: Nate Wiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Oct 21, 2005 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: $1 change issues [was Re: syntax for accessing multiple
versions of a module]
To: Rob K
On 10/21/05, Dave Whipp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Luke Palmer wrote:
> > And in those kinds of corporate environments, you're not going to be
> > working with any code but code written in-house. Which means that
> > nobody is going to be using Latin-1, and everyone will be using the
> > ASCII s
Is there a CPAN module which provides the functionality of ¥/zip() for
Perl5? I don't see anything obvious in the Bundle::Perl6 stuff. Not hard
to write, of course, just wondering if it's been done . . .
Hm. This brings up another point, which may have been addressed . . .
The Python function and Ruby array method zip() both accept any number of
arrays to interleave:
>>> zip([1,2,3],[4,5,6],[7,8,9])
[(1, 4, 7), (2, 5, 8), (3, 6, 9)]
irb(main):001:0> [1,2,3].zip([4,5,6],[7,8,9])
=> [[1, 4, 7], [
On 10/21/05, Mark Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hm. This brings up another point, which may have been addressed . . .
>
> The Python function and Ruby array method zip() both accept any number of
> arrays to interleave:
>
> >>> zip([1,2,3],[4,5,6],[7,8,9])
> [(1, 4, 7), (2, 5, 8), (3, 6, 9)]
>
Does TYE's Algorithm::Loops's mapcar() provide the basic functionality
of what you're looking for?
Rob
On 10/21/05, Mark Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a CPAN module which provides the functionality of ¥/zip() for
> Perl5? I don't see anything obvious in the Bundle::Perl6 stuff. Not
Juerd wrote:
> I do not see why $ and @ couldn't be both a sigil and an infix
> operator, and the same goes for whatever ASCII equivalent ¢ gets.
>
> ^ and | are available for sigil use. (All the closing brackets are too,
> but that would be very confusing because we tend to visually parse those
>
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