Re: numification and stringification of objects

On 9/25/05, Juerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Whenever possible, object should have useful numeric and string > representations. These are generally lossy, but this is not a problem, because > a scalar stays a scalar even after being used in a certain context, and the > object isn't lost. Sounds

Re: numification and stringification of objects

On Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 02:24:33 +0200, Juerd wrote: > Whenever possible, object should have useful numeric and string > representations. These are generally lossy, but this is not a problem, because > a scalar stays a scalar even after being used in a certain context, and the > object isn't lost.

Re: matching colors (was Stringification, numification, and booleanification of pairs)

On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 23:21:33 -0700, Ashley Winters wrote: > On 9/25/05, Luke Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 9/25/05, Juerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > We can do better than equivalence testing for colors. Instead, try to > > > match. Surely a *smart* match operator really is smar

Re: numification and stringification of objects

On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 23:54:56 -0700, Ashley Winters wrote: > Localization occurs here. Formatting occurs here. > Timezone/newline-convention/join-character-specification/whatever > happens here This is going too far, IMHO. What if your app is running in some time zone, generating reports for

Re: Testing dual XS/Perl modules

On 9/26/05, Michael G Schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 06:00:04PM +0200, demerphq wrote: > > Is there a proper way to test both parts of dual implementation modules? > > > > In a pinch i came up with > > > > use DynaLoader; > > sub DynaLoader::bootstrap{1}; # Don't

Re: Stringification, numification, and booleanification of pairs

Mark A. Biggar skribis 2005-09-25 19:42 (-0700): > In a private conversation with Larry this afternoon, he said that by > default "$foo" and ~$foo and $foo.as(Str) all give the same result > (assuming scalar context, etc.). And that "@foo[]" and [EMAIL PROTECTED] and > @foo.as(Str) are the same

Re: numification and stringification of objects

On 26/09/05, Yuval Kogman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 23:54:56 -0700, Ashley Winters wrote: > > Localization occurs here. Formatting occurs here. > > Timezone/newline-convention/join-character-specification/whatever > > happens here > > This is going too far, IMHO. I can't

Re: Branch Review

Chip Salzenberg wrote: On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 01:48:20PM +0200, Leopold Toetsch wrote: [ opt_count --> :opt_flag ] If there is an alternating sequence of (:optional, :opt_count)+, the :opt_count works exactly like :opt_flag, i.e. you get 0 or 1 depending on the presence of the preceeding op

[perl #37277] [PATCH] smoke with different compiler.

# New Ticket Created by François PERRAD # Please include the string: [perl #37277] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # https://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=37277 > In PLATFORMS, a platform is defined by 3 terms "OS-processor-compiler". This patch

Summary rollover date

I thought we'd switched to a Monday deadline for the summary and a Sunday night roll over. I just noticed your last summary ended on a Monday night. -- Piers Cawley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.bofh.org.uk/

Re: numification and stringification of objects

On 9/26/05, Yuval Kogman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think that this role should define the dump operator. Perhaps > prefix or postfix ?! can work... That seems fairly obvious. For > example > > warn "Done fetching $url, { $ua?! }"; > > Let's call it the wtf operator. No, please... how

Re: .chars, .bytes, etc.

HaloO, Juerd wrote: wolverian skribis 2005-09-24 13:45 (+0300): Why not define .chars like this: Context Return value itemamount of units listunits themselves I still have my objections to this outside-in flow of type information. Originally I thought that .el

Re: Howto make 'require' fail ?

On 9/25/05, Randy W. Sims <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > D'oh. I shoulda taut a dat. I tried defining sub Module::import {die} > which works for C, but not C. I thought of pushing coderef > on @INC, but it don't work for older perls. Ivan's suggestion of > Devel::Hide, while doing exactly what I want

Re: loadlib and libraries with '.' in the name

On Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 02:12:49PM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: > Joshua Juran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Sep 23, 2005, at 3:47 AM, Leopold Toetsch wrote: > > > > > any time soon. You're welcome to write your own summaries that do use the full

Re: loadlib and libraries with '.' in the name

Joshua Juran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sep 23, 2005, at 3:47 AM, Leopold Toetsch wrote: > >> On Sep 23, 2005, at 7:51, Ross McFarland wrote: >> >>> i was planning on playing around with gtk+ bindings and parrot and went >>> about looking around for the work that had already been done and di

Re: .chars, .bytes, etc.

Hi, please configure your e-mail client to use "> " (greater-than, space) for quoting, if possible. It currently uses ">" (greater-than). TSa skribis 2005-09-26 13:43 (+0200): > >>Why not define .chars like this: > >> Context Return value > >> itemamount of units > >> list

Re: Sort of "do it once" feature request...

Michele Dondi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Every time I've desired a feature for Perl6 it has turned out that either it > was already planned to be there or I have been given good resons why it would > have been better not be there. And you've done it again. What you ask for is already there. Se

.thingies in contexts

We've had several discussions of .chars and .elems, and I said something about objects in certain contexts. In the discussion about objects, I left item and list context out, because in those contexts, always the object is just itself. One thing makes .chars and .elems look symmetric: they are bo

Re: Sort of "do it once" feature request...

Piers Cawley skribis 2005-09-26 16:34 (+0100): > And you've done it again. What you ask for is already there. See below. > next if (($_ ne 'boo')..undef) > if 0..MAX { push @buffer, $_; next } IIRC, flip flop will not return as the ".." operator. Also, the global state of syntactic flip f

Re: Sort of "do it once" feature request...

On Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 05:42:31PM +0200, Juerd wrote: : Piers Cawley skribis 2005-09-26 16:34 (+0100): : > And you've done it again. What you ask for is already there. See below. : > next if (($_ ne 'boo')..undef) : > if 0..MAX { push @buffer, $_; next } : : IIRC, flip flop will not retu

Re: Exceptuations

Luke Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 9/25/05, Yuval Kogman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I propose a new model - each exception has a continuation that >> allows it to be unfatalized. > > I think we've already talked about something like this. But in the > presence of "use fatal", it make

Re: .chars, .bytes, etc.

HaloO, Juerd wrote: Can you explain please what "outside-in" means to you? TSa wrote: BTW, does everybody expect more than one prefix numerifyer beeing redundant or is there an idea of (+ (+ @foo)) beeing modelled Juerd answered: It's providing context to something that was already providi

This week's summary

The Perl 6 Summary for the week ending 2005-09-25 Hello all. It's another Monday afternoon, which means I'm writing another summary. There's no cricket to distract me this week, so I'm letting iTunes Party Shuffle attempt to distract me instead. This week in perl6-compiler Nobody s

Re: Sort of "do it once" feature request...

HaloO, Larry Wall wrote: ... though we haven't decided what to call the flipflop operator. Sorry, I'm totally out of scope to what 'the flipflop operator' is. Could you be so kind to give some hints. Thanks in advance. if state $s ?? $s = falsify() !! $s = truify() && !falsify() {...}

Re: Sort of "do it once" feature request...

TSa skribis 2005-09-26 19:39 (+0200): > Sorry, I'm totally out of scope to what 'the flipflop operator' is. > Could you be so kind to give some hints. Thanks in advance. http://perldoc.perl.org/perlop.html#Range-Operators Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http://convolution.nl

Re: Exceptuations

HaloO, Piers Cawley wrote: Exactly which exception is continued? The bottommost one. If you want to return to somewhere up its call chain, do: $!.caller(n).continue(42) Whow, how does a higher level exception catcher *in general* know what type it should return and how to construct it. The

Re: New kwalitee test, has_changes

> Collecting any sort of coverage data is a complete bitch. Let me just > say right now that doing it across _all_ of CPAN is flat out impossible. > > It's impossible. Is it possible to use PPI to count the number of tests in a module's test suite? More than 5 tests would probably mean the autho

Re: Sort of "do it once" feature request...

HaloO, Juerd wrote: TSa skribis 2005-09-26 19:39 (+0200): Sorry, I'm totally out of scope to what 'the flipflop operator' is. Could you be so kind to give some hints. Thanks in advance. http://perldoc.perl.org/perlop.html#Range-Operators Thanks. I'm glad that 1..Inf these days is just a l

Re: Sort of "do it once" feature request...

TSa skribis 2005-09-26 20:32 (+0200): > Does someone consider this 'inner boolean state' and the 'magical > auto-increment algorithm if the operands are strings' of the Perl5 > range op a feature worth preserving? Yes, many someones do. Juerd -- http://convolution.nl/maak_juerd_blij.html http:/

Re: matching colors (was Stringification, numification, and booleanification of pairs)

HaloO, Yuval Kogman wrote: if greenish describes the color Indeed, it sounds like Yoda Speak: "If greenish that color is, modifying it I will." Same in the German version. I don't know of hebrew though. demonstrates the lack of transitivity in matching... Sorry, but don't you mean

perl6-all@perl.org

Think about adding \& to the replacement part of a s///. As in sed, the & means the whole match. Then one can do s/$search/*\&*/go in stead of s/($search)/*\1*/go and there needs to be no $1 variable set up. (I assume that using () always makes a $1 available, even if it is not being us

Re: [PROPOSED PATCH lib/Parrot/Vtable.pm] Generate src/extends.c

On Sep 19, 2005, at 20:26, chromatic wrote: Well, besides a nitpick regarding: +=item C + + [ snipped ] + +sub vtbl_embed ... I'm fine with that patch. But the ultimate word should speak actual users of Parrot extend/embed, and of course, if it should be included in the upcoming release

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Ruud H.G. van Tol skribis 2005-09-26 21:27 (+0200): > Think about adding \& to the replacement part of a s///. > As in sed, the & means the whole match. Do you know Perl 5's $& variable? What you want isn't exactly new for Perl. In Perl 6, the match object $/ will instead be used. It's a bit hard

perl6-all@perl.org

Juerd: > Ruud H.G. van Tol: >> Think about adding \& to the replacement part of a s///. >> As in sed, the & means the whole match. > > Do you know Perl 5's $& variable? What you want isn't exactly new for > Perl. Yes I certainly know it. That it slows things down too. A point was to not set up a

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On Sep 26, 2005, at 4:19 PM, Juerd wrote: Perl 5's $& is inefficient because of this. If the variable is used anywhere, Perl will for every regex used capture everything. My understanding is that this died with 5.10. Is that right? --Dks

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On Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 05:00:00PM -0400, David Storrs wrote: > > On Sep 26, 2005, at 4:19 PM, Juerd wrote: > >Perl 5's $& is inefficient because of this. If the variable is used > >anywhere, Perl will for every regex used capture everything. > > My understanding is that this died with 5.10. Is

Re: Exceptuations

TSa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > HaloO, > > Piers Cawley wrote: >>>Exactly which exception is continued? >> The bottommost one. If you want to return to somewhere up its call chain, do: >> $!.caller(n).continue(42) > > Whow, how does a higher level exception catcher *in general* know > what typ

Re: Exceptuations

On Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 17:40:52 +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: > Luke Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On 9/25/05, Yuval Kogman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I propose a new model - each exception has a continuation that > >> allows it to be unfatalized. > > > > I think we've already talked

Re: matching colors (was Stringification, numification, and booleanification of pairs)

On Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 21:02:06 +0200, TSa wrote: > >demonstrates the lack of transitivity in matching... > > Sorry, but don't you mean commutativity? Transitivity of relations > requires applying it twice to three values and then concluding it > applies to the unchecked combination as well: Ye

Re: This week's summary

On Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 18:12:23 +0100, The Perl 6 Summarizer wrote: > Allomopherencing > Not satisfied with inventing Exceptuations, Yuval invented > Allomopherencing as well. Just don't ask me what it means because I > don't know. It was just a bad joke on Exceptuation's expense ;-

Re: Allomopherencing

On Sun, Sep 25, 2005 at 08:29:07PM +0300, Yuval Kogman wrote: : Is there any situation where a compile time error is not a good : thing to have? Sure, when it slows down your compiler so much that it's useless for running code that doesn't have the error, especially if it's a rare error that is li

Re: Allomopherencing

On Mon, Sep 26, 2005 at 17:36:04 -0700, Larry Wall wrote: > Sure, when it slows down your compiler so much that it's useless for > running code that doesn't have the error, especially if it's a rare > error that is likely to be caught some other way anyway. Where to > balance this should be the de

Re: ParrotIO crash

Joshua Hoblitt via RT writes: Should this become a TODO item? This code no longer crashes. Yes, make it a TODO that this should probably throw an exception.

PodWiki for Test/MakeMaker::Tutorial/FAQ now available

Test::Tutorial, Test::FAQ, ExtUtils::MakeMaker::FAQ and ExtUtils::MakeMaker::Tutorial are all going nowhere. I don't have the tuits to maintain them. Its something that could easily be done collaboratively. So I've thrown up a PodWiki and put them on it. http://mungus.schwern.org/podwiki/ Gent