HaloO Larry,
you wrote:
On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 08:13:22PM +0200, "TSa (Thomas Sandlaß)" wrote:
: Actually it's a pitty, that the multi method call syntax isn't as
: rich as the single method call syntax where we have .?method, .+method
: and .*method. Something like (Snoopy, Mr_PotatoHead, Hope
Mark Reed asked:
OK, sorry if I missed this in an earlier discussion. For purposes of
calculating this Manhattan distance, I gather that we're treating lists of N
arguments/parameters as points in N-space. I further assume that the
monoaxial distance between a parameter coördinate and the corr
TSa (Thomas Sandlaß) wrote:
Unique least-inherited most-specialized match, or default
Do I read this correctly as dispatching partly in the class hierarchy
and partly in the type hierarchy?
Err. The class hierarchy *is* the type hierarchy in Perl 6.
Or do you mean with 'least-inherit
Michael G Schwern wrote:
On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 07:35:40PM -0400, Ian Langworth wrote:
I'd like to improve HTTP::Recorder. I've contacted Linda Julien
(http://search.cpan.org/~leira/) via her CPAN email address, but I've
received no response. The module hasn't been touched in over a year
and e
TSa (Thomas Sandlaß) wrote:
Is there also an answer to the odering versus metric question?
Why was the former rejected and the latter choosen?
MMD is really just a partitioning of the discrete N-dimensional search space
formed by the class hierarchies of the N parameters of a multimethod/mult
Tels wrote:
As for the rest of the EU, software-only patents are very probably not
enforcable, anyway.
Yeah, but you can't afford to challenge them in court, so who cares.
Adrian Howard wrote:
> The FSFE in particular have been campaigning hard in Europe so should
> hopefully have some decen
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This is a simple patch to get pyboolean.pmc
working in the pirate test suite again.
Anyone have any ideas on how you might harness a PM group to work on
parrot?
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:00:51 -0700, Michael G Schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Barbie's journal, via Ovid, made me aware of patent EP1170667 "Software
> Package Verification" granted last month in the EU.
> http://gauss.ffii.org/PatentView/EP1170667
Contact Steffen Beyer
mailto:[E
HaloO Damian,
thank you very much for your explaination. I just want to hint the
Perl6 community to the fact that there exists a US patent on geometric
MMD:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1=ferragina
IIRC Chip said that his focus would be on maintaining PIR stability during
this stage of development
(I might have the wrong specific parrot source code representation, but
the point was that it was source level, rather than binary bytecode, or
PMC API)
There were some PMC vtable changes recently
There was a thread back in May where I asked about how Ponie should implement
perl 5 SvFLAGS() lookups in a way that is
1: Correct
2: Fast
3: Works on both Perl 5 subtype PMCs created by Ponie, and any other PMCs that
happen to arrive inside ponie.
The thread was inconclusive. But seemed to b
Is the PMC layout likely to remain stable? There's been talk of minimal
PMC heads (data, vtable) in relation to the generational garbage collector
proposals. Is this likely to happen? Related to this there has been talk of
variable sized bodies.
If there are changes, how much of the existing API w
On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 11:18:30AM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 01:13:48PM -0400, Jeff Horwitz wrote:
> > as part of both the pugs and mod_parrot effort, i've started working on
> > bringing the embedding and extending interfaces into the modern parrot
> > era. i'd like t
What is the state of signals and events support? As far as I can tell from
watching which perl 5 regression tests fail or hang under parrot, currently
parrot can't behave as a passive embedding target - it assumes that it needs
to take ownership of all signals.
Is this likely to change soon? Curre
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 11:18:30AM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> > On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 01:13:48PM -0400, Jeff Horwitz wrote:
> > > as part of both the pugs and mod_parrot effort, i've started working on
> > > bringing the embedding and extending in
Right now ponie is still reference counting. In effect it's duplicating the
work of parrot's DOD registration scheme. For space and efficiency reasons it
would be very useful to move the ponie reference counts outside the actual
PMCs, and effectively store them in a hash, much like the DOD referenc
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Larry Wall wrote:
Good, I'd forgotten about that. Which means that it's even harder
for someone to compile a module in a "strange" dialect, since they'd
essentially have to write their own version of "use" that forces
recompilation ("reuse", if you will). And the harder we
Damian Conway wrote:
Important qualification:
Within a method or submethod, C<.method> only works when C<$_ =:=
> $?SELF>.
C<.method> is perfectly legal on *any* topic anywhere that $?SELF
doesn't exist.
Just to be clear, this includes any method/submethod with an explicitly
named invo
Hi,
Michele Dondi wrote:
>> Good, I'd forgotten about that. Which means that it's even harder
>> for someone to compile a module in a "strange" dialect, since they'd
>> essentially have to write their own version of "use" that forces
>> recompilation ("reuse", if you will). And the harder we mak
Dave Whipp skribis 2005-07-13 8:44 (-0700):
> > Within a method or submethod, C<.method> only works when C<$_ =:=
> > $?SELF>.
> >C<.method> is perfectly legal on *any* topic anywhere that $?SELF
> >doesn't exist.
> Just to be clear, this includes any method/submethod with an explicitly
> named
On Wed, Jul 13, 2005 at 05:10:14PM +0200, Michele Dondi wrote:
: On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Larry Wall wrote:
:
: >Good, I'd forgotten about that. Which means that it's even harder
: >for someone to compile a module in a "strange" dialect, since they'd
: >essentially have to write their own version of
After nearly 1000 commits, two hackathons, and an entire month of hard work,
I am delighted to announce that Pugs 6.2.8 is finally upon us:
http://pugscode.org/dist/Perl6-Pugs-6.2.8.tar.gz
SIZE = 1309147
SHA1 = efd32419dcddba596044a42564936888a28b3c69
A live CD is available as usual,
Sorry, instead of implicit 'commit', I mean to say implicit conversion.
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>Dean Arnold wrote:
>> RE: LOBs and "SQL Parse Trees": h
Hello,
More questions for the metamodel. I am trying to add proper submethod
and private method handling and I have a question about method
resolution order as a whole. I asked a similar question last week, but
this time I have more details :)
Given this class:
class Foo {
submethod
On Wed, Jul 13, 2005 at 06:11:32PM +1000, Damian Conway wrote:
: TSa (Thomas Sandlaß) wrote:
:
: >>Unique least-inherited most-specialized match, or default
: >
: >
: >Do I read this correctly as dispatching partly in the class hierarchy
: >and partly in the type hierarchy?
:
: Err. The class
On Wed, 2005-07-13 at 15:41 +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> Did anything come of this? Or is chromatic still waiting in the wings for
> confirmation that this is the right way to go?
I'm still waiting for confirmation. I can send my existing (needs
polish) patch if that will help speed the discus
You guys are beating a live horse. Apocalypse 5 already
discusses arrays pretending to be strings for the sake of parsing.
The capability has to be there, and in fact Patrick has been bearing
that in mind in the design of PGE. The only question for p6l is how
much syntactic sugar you want.
I've
On Wed, Jul 13, 2005 at 12:51:49PM -0400, Stevan Little wrote:
: Hello,
:
: More questions for the metamodel. I am trying to add proper submethod
: and private method handling and I have a question about method
: resolution order as a whole. I asked a similar question last week, but
: this time
On Wed, Jul 13, 2005 at 10:11:04AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> >As for the rest of the EU, software-only patents are very probably not
> >enforcable, anyway.
>
> Yeah, but you can't afford to challenge them in court, so who cares.
I'm hoping I can talk sense into the inventors. Tim Foster has
On Jul 13, 2005, at 1:12 PM, Larry Wall wrote:
If class Dog does role Bark and also does role Wag, then passing a
Dog to
multi (Bark $x)
multi (Wag $x)
should result in ambiguity.
My understanding is that a Role is an abstract (i.e. cannot be
instantiated) blob of methods and, pos
On Wed, 2005-07-13 at 16:07 -0400, David Storrs wrote:
> My understanding is that a Role is an abstract (i.e. cannot be
> instantiated) blob of methods and, possibly, data. The purpose of a
> Role is to paste it into a class--in other words, a Role is a not a
> type, it is a part of a type.
On Jul 13, 2005, at 4:35 PM, chromatic wrote:
On Wed, 2005-07-13 at 16:07 -0400, David Storrs wrote:
My understanding is that a Role is an abstract (i.e. cannot be
instantiated) blob of methods and, possibly, data. The purpose of a
Role is to paste it into a class--in other words, a Role is
On Wed, Jul 13, 2005 at 05:48:47PM +0200, Ingo Blechschmidt wrote:
: If you wanted the compiler to parse SomeOtherModule.pm using Ruby's
: grammar, you'd have to write:
:
: use Grammar::Ruby;
: reuse SomeOtherModule
You'd also have to write "reuse", because we're not going to write it
for
On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 04:43:06PM +0530, Aankhen wrote:
: I agree with what is being said here. `.method` is a great way to
: eliminate a lot of repetitive, tedious typing. Surely there is a
: viable alternative that doesn't involve outlawing it?
Certainly. The problem is that there are too ma
On Wed, 2005-07-13 at 17:33 -0400, David Storrs wrote:
> > What is a type besides a named blob of methods
> > and, possibly, data?
> A label that says how the data is stored internally. For example,
> compare "Int" and "int". The former is a type and a blob of methods
> and not necessaril
Dean Arnold wrote:
Column 3 is a BYTEA column in Pg and needs special peppering to work.
What sort of "peppering" ? DBI provides SQL_BLOB, and SQL_CLOB
type descriptors (as well as SQL_BLOB_LOCATOR and SQL_CLOB_LOCATOR), so
presumably DBD::Pg (or any other DBD supporting LOBs) provides the
logic
Autrijus Tang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> === Bug Fixes
>
> * Call parrot with "-G" (CGP) instead of "-j" (JIT) runcore to avoid segfaults
Hopefully, you meant to write "-C" instead of "-G", as the first tells
parrot to use the CGP core and the latter turns off GC. :-)
--
matt diephouse
http:/
On Jul 13, 2005, at 6:16 PM, chromatic wrote:
On Wed, 2005-07-13 at 17:33 -0400, David Storrs wrote:
What is a type besides a named blob of methods
and, possibly, data?
A label that says how the data is stored internally. For example,
compare "Int" and "int". The former is a type and
The proposals so far have dealt mostly with the SQL itself, and
supporting database-neutral layers on top of DBI.
Personally, I don't mind writing the SQL myself, I rarely need to make
a particular statement work on two databases in my work, and I can
optimize a lot better than any SQL generator.
Larry,
On Jul 13, 2005, at 2:30 PM, Larry Wall wrote:
: The Syn/Apoc seem to indicate that methods and submethods of the same
: name can coexist. So the class definition itself is legal. However,
it
: brings up an issue when it comes time to call bar().
If the Syn/Apoc is giving that impressi
On Wed, Jul 13, 2005 at 05:33:18PM -0400, David Storrs wrote:
: I'd like to have it explained what Roles
: offer that justifies their existence, since they won't be anything
: but a restricted form of a class.
Please check your assumptions.
In addition to what chromatic said, I'd like to poin
(Taking things slightly out of order.)
On Jul 13, 2005, at 7:32 PM, Larry Wall wrote:
A class is
restricted to having to provide a working interface to real objects.
Can't there be pure-abstract, non-instantiable classes? Or are you
still considering those to be interfaces to "real objec
TSa (Thomas Sandlaß) wrote:
I just want to hint the Perl6 community to the fact that there exists
a US patent on geometric MMD:
Well, fortunately it's really just a patent on the specific combination of a
mathematical isomorphism and a well-known geometric algorithm to *optimize*
method disp
On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 08:48:41PM +0300, Gaal Yahas wrote:
: I propose to throw away the filesystem coupling, and map from a more
: general name of the bit of code we are requiring to a more general
: description of which instance of it we actually got. Once modules return
: interesting values, it
On Wed, Jul 13, 2005 at 07:01:18PM -0400, Matt Diephouse wrote:
> Autrijus Tang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > === Bug Fixes
> >
> > * Call parrot with "-G" (CGP) instead of "-j" (JIT) runcore to avoid
> > segfaults
>
> Hopefully, you meant to write "-C" instead of "-G", as the first tells
> par
On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 02:10:06PM -0700, Larry Wall wrote:
> Good, I'd forgotten about that. Which means that it's even harder
> for someone to compile a module in a "strange" dialect, since they'd
> essentially have to write their own version of "use" that forces
> recompilation ("reuse", if you
Larry Wall wrote:
In addition to what chromatic said, I'd like to point out that you've
got the abstraction levels backwards by my lights: these days I
tend to think of the class as a restricted form of role. A class is
restricted to having to provide a working interface to real objects.
Can I
On Wed, Jul 13, 2005 at 17:23:28 -0600, John Williams wrote:
> The proposals so far have dealt mostly with the SQL itself, and
> supporting database-neutral layers on top of DBI.
>
> Personally, I don't mind writing the SQL myself, I rarely need to make
> a particular statement work on two databas
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