On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 11:43:55PM -0700, Allison Randal wrote:
> >As Schwern will attest, Perl 1 is a quite complicated language, with
> >nullary, unary, binary and ternary functions, arrays, hashes, pattern
> >matches, transliteration, format, loop control and labels.
>
> As a test case for the
On 7/5/05, Leopold Toetsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Jul 5, 2005, at 8:50, Curtis Rawls wrote:
>
> >
> > I seem to have come across a bug in the compute_dominators() algorithm
> > with the following PIR:
>
> It's not unlikely that there are bugs in that part of imcc. It was
> contributed
RE: Placeholders: since DBIv1 already supports both forms of
PH's, I see no reason to deprecate or abandon either form.
Furthermore, to my knowledge, none of (ODBC, JDBC, ADO.NET)
has abandonded or deprecated the ? form, so I don't see
the need for DBI to.
RE: LOBs and "SQL Parse Trees": having r
On Sat, Jul 09, 2005 at 03:58:45PM -0700, Larry Wall wrote:
> It should take a little more effort to mess with the minds of
> unsuspecting modules, so maybe the standard syntax is cloned out of
> *STANDARD_PERL_6 or some such scary package name. It's the default for
> starting all require-like Per
How do we intend to manipulate raw binary in Perl6? Perl5's use
bytes; pragma is rather poor (forcing all strings to be raw in its
scope or requiring do {use bytes; ...} type tricks to deal with them)
and now Perl6 has real typing perhaps it would be more usefull to have
a bytestring type (or and
BTW: If you need a list of DBD's meeting said requirement, let me know,
I just pulled one down.
Sure, send it over.
[ ] DBD-ADO-2.94.tar.gz 31-Jan-2005 02:4041k GZIP compressed docume>
[ ] DBD-ASAny-1.13.tar.gz 31-Oct-2003 15:0030k GZIP compressed docume>
[ ] DBD-Amazon-
On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 07:45:35AM +, Smylers wrote:
> I can see why having 'inline' directives specifically for Devel::Cover
> could be seen as ugly, but if instead they are general-purpose
> assumptions then it's obviously better to have them next to the code
> that's relying on the assumptio
Michael G Schwern writes:
> "my $foo = $p || $q" is not boolean. I'm not even sure you can call
> it "pseudo-boolean" without understanding the surrounding code. How
> do you know that $q can never be false?
So we want some way of annotating the code which will let Devel::Cover
know that you're
Ivan Tubert-Brohman writes:
> I'm happy to listen to your suggestions; AnnoCPAN is a work in
> progress and I'm still adding features and fixing bugs.
Thanks Ivan for your work on this.
> I'm also considering the possibility of sending automated emails,
> similar to what rt.cpan.org does. Howeve
On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 07:37:05AM +, Smylers wrote:
> Opt-out (or no-option) would irritate far too many people (not
> necessarily rationally, but it would). But people can only opt in if
> they know it exists to opt in to. Perhaps you could send one mail once,
> the first time each author h
Larry Wall skribis 2005-07-11 18:29 (-0700):
> is that we simply outlaw .foo notation at *compile* time in those
> scopes where we know (at compile time) that $_ and $?SELF diverge.
> In such a scope you *must* specify $_ or $?SELF (or equivalent).
What?
That makes having a default at
I feel a "me too" post is in order.
I've written code that is 2-3 levels of nested given/when in a
method of an object that wasn't the topic.
I did not feel confused at all, juggling .foo and ./foo, which are
visually distinct, and different to type. They convey a big
difference of meaning, even
On 7/12/05, Juerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [snip]
> Disallowing .method here means a huge step back in time. Back to
> $_.method or $object.method.
> [snip]
I agree with what is being said here. `.method` is a great way to
eliminate a lot of repetitive, tedious typing. Surely there is a
viab
Ian Langworth wrote:
On 7/8/05, James E Keenan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
One other curiosum: As a result of my Phalanx work, I've gotten in the
habit of using File::Temp to create 'anonymous' directories and files in
which to conduct testing.
This is one of the many features of Test::Cmd,
Hi,
what do use and require evaluate to?
S06 suggests it's probably some kind of Module object:
The result of a use statement is a (compile-time) object that also has
an .assuming method, allowing the user to bind parameters in all the
module's subroutines/methods/etc. si
Allison Randal wrote:
I'd like to add Punie to the Parrot repository.
Great. And for more fun I've created the basics of a NCI interface [1]
for ast functions. Heavily underdocumented and unfinished (as of an hour
hacking time ;-), but maybe someone takes it over and continues it. It
needs t
Leopold Toetsch wrote:
needs trunk rev 8598 for some added NCI signatures in src/call_list.txt.
or branches/leo-ctx5 r8599.
leo
David Golden wrote:
>
> I think this is a coverage vs correctness distinction. The idea that
> I was trying to convey is that while these expressions use a boolean
> operator for a shortcut, they aren't really about truth vs. falsity
> of the overall expression, *except* when they are being used
On 2005-07-11 23:46, "Damian Conway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 3. Work out the Manhattan distance from the argument list to each
>variant's parameter list.
OK, sorry if I missed this in an earlier discussion. For purposes of
calculating this Manhattan distance, I gather that we're
On Monday 11 July 2005 23:17, Michael G Schwern wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 07:38:57PM +0300, Yuval Kogman wrote:
> > > So what should I do to eliminate it?
> >
> > Maybe Just Nothing
> >
> > The issue is that you can't special case get_current_coords to be
> > truish, as far as Devel::Cover i
Mark Reed wrote:
And one more dumb question: why is it that the L[1] metric is superior to
the L[2] metric for this purpose?
I am also interested in the rational behind the approach to manage MMD
my means of a metric instead of a partial order on the types.
Metric is a geometric concept which i
Damian Conway wrote:
This is a much less dwimmy solution than Yuval's or Luke's, but it has the
advantage that those eight steps reduce to eight words:
Unique least-inherited most-specialized match, or default
Do I read this correctly as dispatching partly in the class hierarchy
and partly
Autrijus Tang wrote:
The compiler, in turn inspect whether there's an bound $_ in scope
with $?SELF set. It is not trivial, because this should work:
sub baz (&c) { c() }
method foo { baz { .bar } } # $_ is free in inner closure
But this needs to fail:
sub baz (&c) { c(1) }
On 2005-07-12 12:22, "TSa (Thomas Sandlaß)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I am also interested in the rationale behind the approach to manage MMD
> my means of a metric instead of a partial order on the types.
> Metric is a geometric concept which in my eyes doesn't fit type
> theory.
The geometri
On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 12:15:30PM +, Ingo Blechschmidt wrote:
> In Perl 5, %INC maps the partial path names of the modules
> loaded to their absolute ones. What should the keys and values
> of %*INC be in Perl 6?
Conceptually, the Perl 5 %INC maps from what to which. It also imposes
Mark Reed wrote:
On 2005-07-12 12:22, "TSa (Thomas Sandlaß)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
I am also interested in the rationale behind the approach to manage MMD
my means of a metric instead of a partial order on the types.
Metric is a geometric concept which in my eyes doesn't fit type
theory.
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Someone should go through Dan's blog and convert all the ideas (esp.
from the WCB seri
Autrijus Tang schrieb:
If the goal is to demonstrate the capability of the upcoming expression
parser and minimal AST, I think "bc", the arbitrary precision calculator
language, is a good candidate.
Indeed it is. The nice thing about 'bc' is that is fairly simple, but
still has variables and
On Jul 12, 2005, at 0:37, Autrijus Tang wrote:
That's cool. In that case I'll commit the test suite from perl-1.0_16
as TODO tests to the Punie tree, if that's okay with you. :)
Most welcome. I'm following a naming convention in the t/ directory of
changing the original "io.print"-style file
On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 08:13:22PM +0200, "TSa (Thomas Sandlaß)" wrote:
: Actually it's a pitty, that the multi method call syntax isn't as
: rich as the single method call syntax where we have .?method, .+method
: and .*method. Something like (Snoopy, Mr_PotatoHead, HopeDiamond).*foo
: doesn't exi
On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 12:15:30PM +, Ingo Blechschmidt wrote:
: Hi,
:
: what do use and require evaluate to?
:
: S06 suggests it's probably some kind of Module object:
: The result of a use statement is a (compile-time) object that also has
: an .assuming method, allowing
On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 04:53:49AM -, David Formosa (aka ? the Platypus)
wrote:
: How do we intend to manipulate raw binary in Perl6? Perl5's use
: bytes; pragma is rather poor (forcing all strings to be raw in its
: scope or requiring do {use bytes; ...} type tricks to deal with them)
: and
Barbie's journal, via Ovid, made me aware of patent EP1170667 "Software
Package Verification" granted last month in the EU.
http://gauss.ffii.org/PatentView/EP1170667
It appears to patent basic software testing frameworks. There is a nine
month window to oppose this patent. I believe Test::Ha
On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 05:27:48PM +0800, Autrijus Tang wrote:
: On Sat, Jul 09, 2005 at 03:58:45PM -0700, Larry Wall wrote:
: > It should take a little more effort to mess with the minds of
: > unsuspecting modules, so maybe the standard syntax is cloned out of
: > *STANDARD_PERL_6 or some such sc
Anyone have any ideas on how you might harness a PM group to work on
parrot?
(Resending from correct account)
On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 06:37:58PM +0800, Autrijus Tang wrote:
: * A closure form of `but` is desugared into a `do given` block that
: eliminates the need of returning $_ explicitly. So those two forms
: are equivalent:
:
: my $foo = Cls.new but {
: .attr = 1;
: };
:
: my
On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 13:55:56 -0700, Larry Wall wrote:
> On the other hand, if the basic Str type is unwilling to take on the
> burden of being parameterized, we could generate all our funny string
> types by mapping a string name to an array declaration.
>
> my Str $foo is Array of byte;
On 12 Jul 2005, at 22:00, Michael G Schwern wrote:
Barbie's journal, via Ovid, made me aware of patent EP1170667
"Software
Package Verification" granted last month in the EU.
http://gauss.ffii.org/PatentView/EP1170667
[snip]
Oh for f**k's sake :-(
Don't know any patent lawyers myself, but it
On 12 Jul 2005, at 23:07, Adrian Howard wrote:
[snip]
Don't know any patent lawyers myself, but it might be worth
dropping a line to one or more of:
http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/en/m/about/contact.html
http://fsfeurope.org/
[snip]
http://www.eurolinux.org/ also might be worth as
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Moin,
On Tuesday 12 July 2005 23:00, Michael G Schwern wrote:
> Barbie's journal, via Ovid, made me aware of patent EP1170667 "Software
> Package Verification" granted last month in the EU.
> http://gauss.ffii.org/PatentView/EP1170667
>
> It appears to patent ba
On Jul 12, 2005, at 13:51, Will Coleda wrote:
Anyone have any ideas on how you might harness a PM group to work on
parrot?
Harness them to do what? Write tests? Clean up documentation? There's
certainly precedent (Phalanx), but you need a bunch of small,
achievable goals.
Allison
On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 12:36:23PM +0800, Autrijus Tang wrote:
: On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 09:04:54PM -0700, Larry Wall wrote:
: > On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 10:17:01AM +0800, Autrijus Tang wrote:
: > : On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 06:29:28PM -0700, Larry Wall wrote:
: > : The obvious thought is to have yet
That was kind of my point, yes. =-)
Hey, Allison - you drafted up the project plan for TPF grant for
parrot, neh?
Are you the defacto Project Manager for parrot? Or is that position
unfilled?
On Jul 12, 2005, at 6:56 PM, Allison Randal wrote:
On Jul 12, 2005, at 13:51, Will Coleda wrote
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I respectfully disagree. I think you're focusing too much on the low-level
behavior of || returning one of its operands. That behavior makes Perl's syntax
flexible and a little ambiguous. Because Perl doesn't make a distinction between
"assign with a default value" and
Dean Arnold wrote:
RE: LOBs and "SQL Parse Trees": having recently implemented
LOB support for a JDBC driver (and soon for a DBD), I can assure
you that SQL parse trees are unneeded to support them. For databases
Great!
Perhaps you can shed some light on how to do it for this, then.
SQL comma
I'd like to improve HTTP::Recorder. I've contacted Linda Julien
(http://search.cpan.org/~leira/) via her CPAN email address, but I've
received no response. The module hasn't been touched in over a year
and every RT ticket seems to have gone unanswered
(http://rt.cpan.org/NoAuth/Bugs.html?Dist=HTTP-
Tels wrote:
On Tuesday 12 July 2005 23:00, Michael G Schwern wrote:
Barbie's journal, via Ovid, made me aware of patent EP1170667
"Software
Package Verification" granted last month in the EU.
http://gauss.ffii.org/PatentView/EP1170667
It appears to patent basic software testing frameworks.
On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 07:35:40PM -0400, Ian Langworth wrote:
> I'd like to improve HTTP::Recorder. I've contacted Linda Julien
> (http://search.cpan.org/~leira/) via her CPAN email address, but I've
> received no response. The module hasn't been touched in over a year
> and every RT ticket seems
On Wed, Jul 13, 2005 at 00:46:49 +0300, Yuval Kogman wrote:
> Perhaps the most interesting aspect of the string-is-a-list mindset
> is that Parsec can parse any list of crap into any structured crap.
> It's only affinity towards real strings and characters is the
> builtin library of useful rules.
Yuval Kogman wrote:
By the way, a nice use case for using the rules engine could be
"parsing" a stream of SAX events into a structure... XML::Simple in
perl6 could be really as simple as it sounds =)
Can anyone see this being retrofitted on top of current rules
semantics? How does PGE relate to t
Perl 6 Summary for 2005-07-05 through 2005-07-12
All~
Welcome to another summary from the frog house. A house so green it can
be seen from outerspace (according to google earth).
Perl 6 Compiler
Building Pugs Workaround
Sam Vilain posted a useful work around to the error "err
Michael G Schwern wrote:
The other examples in the ticket play out the same way:
bless {}, ref $class || $class;
I encountered the coverage problem inherent in this code in the
constructor of a module whose maintenance I recently assumed. (For that
matter, I could have encountered
James E Keenan wrote:
Michael G Schwern wrote:
Oh yeah, forgot about that. Its not in your path so you have to give
it the full path to the program.
The directories in blib have no relation to where the file came from.
Non-binary executables always go into blib/script. Binary executabl
Michael G Schwern wrote:
On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 03:59:23PM -0400, James E Keenan wrote:
I've only developed in 5.6+ environments. Can anyone provide a link to
what I would have to do to make my modules compatible with 5.4 and/or 5.5?
Step one: Install 5.4.5 and 5.5.4.
Step two: Try out
On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 10:44:02PM -0400, James E Keenan wrote:
> >The other examples in the ticket play out the same way:
> >
> > bless {}, ref $class || $class;
> >
>
> I encountered the coverage problem inherent in this code in the
> constructor of a module whose maintenance I recently ass
On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 10:52:44PM -0400, James E Keenan wrote:
> > qr// is the only
> >thing I really miss.
> >
> >
> After spending/wasting a couple of hours trying to do regex tests with
> just 'ok', I agree.
like() takes a string.
like( $foo, qr/regex/ ); # same
like( $foo
After a patch to prebuild PGE/Glob.pir and use the precompiled
bytecode, I'm seeing the following timings with "hello.tcl" in
partcl's examples:
CokeZero:~/research/parrot/languages/tcl/examples wcoleda$
time ../..//../parrot ../tcl.pbc hello.tcl
Hello World
real0m0.313s
user0m0.1
Matt Fowles summarized:
Method Call on Invocant
Now " ./method "is gone, and " .method " only works when " $_ =:= $?SELF ".
Important qualification:
Within a method or submethod, C<.method> only works when C<$_ =:= $?SELF>.
C<.method> is perfectly lega
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