Re: [RfD] parrot run loops

2003-01-31 Thread Steve Fink
I don't really know a whole lot about this area, but I remember I was surprised the first time I looked at this and discovered it was based on pointers instead of offsets. I assumed there was some good reason for it that I didn't know at the time (eg performance), but now I doubt that. Your way see

Re: [RfD] parrot run loops

2003-01-31 Thread Leopold Toetsch
Steve Fink wrote: I don't really know a whole lot about this area, but I remember I was surprised the first time I looked at this and discovered it was based on pointers instead of offsets. I assumed there was some good reason for it that I didn't know at the time (eg performance), but now I doub

Re: [RfD] parrot run loops

2003-01-31 Thread Leopold Toetsch
Leopold Toetsch wrote: [ mops timings ] C -O3:277 BTW, same (probably alignment caused) timing diffs (gcc 2.95.2): $ for i in $(seq 20); do ./mops; done 328.089625 M op/s 319.657445 M op/s 333.533456 M op/s 371.050336 M op/s 345.721672 M op/s 307.465496 M op/s 364.405245 M op/s 330.797305

tinderbox troubles?

2003-01-31 Thread Leopold Toetsch
Proxy Error The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server. The proxy server could not handle the request GET /tinderbox/bdshowbuild.cgi. Reason: Could not connect to remote machine: Operation timed out Apache/1.3.26 Server at tinderbox.perl.org Port 80 TIA, leo

Re: occasioanl CVS hickups?

2003-01-31 Thread Leopold Toetsch
Robert Spier wrote: Odd. There's not enough information in the logs to figure out what's going on. (And the code shouldn't have this kind of failure mode.) If it keeps happening, please keep me in the loop. Todays imcc commit didn't show up at cvs.perl.org. No error message - looked all goo

Re: tinderbox troubles?

2003-01-31 Thread Zach Lipton
Strange. I can ssh in, and apachectl claims that the webserver is running, but I'm getting that error too. Ask, Robert: any ideas? Zach On 1/31/03 4:09 AM, "Leopold Toetsch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Proxy Error > The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server. > > Th

Re: Parrot developer world map

2003-01-31 Thread gregor
An interactive SVG version is (temporarily) available at: http://www.focusresearch.com/gregor/map.html Regards, -- Gregor Leon Brocard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 01/28/2003 05:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Parrot developer world map Last

Re: Parrot developer world map

2003-01-31 Thread gregor
Greg -- Thats the centroid. You can see its dual South of Australia. Regards, -- Gregor Greg Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 01/31/2003 03:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: Parrot developer world map So, what's the yellow dot in the middle

Re: What's core? (was Re: Arrays: is computed)

2003-01-31 Thread Austin Hastings
--- Michael Lazzaro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, is it obvious that I'm a little discouraged lately? Don't > suppose anyone can come up with some numbingly inspirational > words to cheer us (well, me) up... Go us.

Re: Arrays: Default Values

2003-01-31 Thread Leopold Toetsch
Dave Mitchell wrote: On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 05:59:46PM +0100, Leopold Toetsch wrote: IMHO some sort of proxy could be passed here, saying: "if you write to me, this will be at @a[0]". Or auto-vivify the entry. This is what Perl 5 does at the moment: $ perl5.8.0 -MDevel::Peek -e 'sub f{Dum

Re: Arrays: Default Values

2003-01-31 Thread Leopold Toetsch
Aaron Sherman wrote: On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 16:23, Leopold Toetsch wrote: Arrays (or hashes) don't grow on reading - never. But for less pure forms of reading: foo(@a[0]); auto-vivification will have to happen in some cases. e.g. if foo requires a lvalue parameter. A lvalue param is no

What's core? (was Re: Arrays: is computed)

2003-01-31 Thread Michael Lazzaro
On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 10:44 PM, Leopold Toetsch wrote: Michael Lazzaro wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shouldn't access to 'is computed' arrays be read-only? In general, I would hope that 90% of them would be, but it's been stated that it won't be a requirement. If you want such

summarizing the obvious (was: arrays, hashes unified ...)

2003-01-31 Thread Garrett Goebel
From: Piers Cawley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Garrett Goebel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > $idx_of_foo = $queue['foo']; # named lookup > > $nth_foo= $queue[600]; # ordered lookup > > > > One is SvPOK the other SvIOK... > > > > Can't we handle both and still have the ordered lookup be

Re: summarizing the obvious

2003-01-31 Thread Michael Lazzaro
On Friday, January 31, 2003, at 09:40 AM, Garrett Goebel wrote: Or for the extremely thick: GOOD: Separate syntax for indexed vs. named lookups BAD: Same syntax with >= 2 contextual meanings Seriously, everyone read Damian's "Seven Deadly Sins" thing, if ya haven't read/heard it already.

Re: Arrays: Default Values

2003-01-31 Thread Dave Mitchell
On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 05:59:46PM +0100, Leopold Toetsch wrote: > A lvalue param is not strictly reading, but here has to happen something > differently - yes: > > IMHO some sort of proxy could be passed here, saying: "if you write to > me, this will be at @a[0]". Or auto-vivify the entry. Thi

out-of-place-rant (was: summarizing the obvious)

2003-01-31 Thread Garrett Goebel
Michael Lazzaro wrote: > On Friday, January 31, 2003, at 09:40 AM, Garrett Goebel wrote: > > > > > > I'm disappointed that The Perl Foundation (TPF) has been so > > quiet and unresponsive on support for our core language > > designers and architects. I dropped a note to all the TPF > > contacts

Re: tinderbox troubles?

2003-01-31 Thread Robert Spier
> Strange. I can ssh in, and apachectl claims that the webserver is running, > but I'm getting that error too. > > Ask, Robert: any ideas? Looks like the apache had hung somewhere. I shut it down and started it up, and it seems ok. -R