Re: Perl, the new generation

2001-05-17 Thread H . Merijn Brand
On Thu 17 May 2001 00:33, Nathan Torkington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2) If the language is so big that you can't hold all of its > > features in your head, then those extra features might as well not > > exist. > > I disagree. I don't hold all of perl5 in my head. Formats? They're >

Re: Perl, the new generation

2001-05-17 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 11:58:07AM -0400, Adam Turoff wrote: > It's not so much that Perl shouldn't have data structures or modules. > I think what Stephen is saying (and he's not the only one) is that > the bare minimum amount of Perl you *must* know to be productive > is increasing. Either that

Re: Perl, the new generation

2001-05-17 Thread Dave Storrs
Hmmm...ok, on thinking about it, I generally agree with you. There is only one point that I would debate (and, as you'll see, there's a solution for that one, too): On Wed, 16 May 2001, Nathan Torkington wrote: > Dave Storrs writes: > > 1) One of the great strengths of Perl is th

Re: Perl, the new generation

2001-05-17 Thread Nathan Torkington
Dave Storrs writes: > While it may be true that beginners don't need to use a particular > feature--or even know about it--how will they know that until they have > studied it? Documentation. A curriculum, roadmap, suggested path, whatever. Nate Wiger's working on a man page to explain

Re: Perl, the new generation

2001-05-17 Thread Mike Lacey
LOL! No bias there then Nat :-) Mike - Original Message - From: "Nathan Torkington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 10:41 PM Subject: Re: Perl, the new generation > Stephen P. Potter writes: > > It seems to me that recently (the last two years

Re: Perl, the new generation

2001-05-17 Thread Richard Proctor
On Thu 17 May, Michael G Schwern wrote: > On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 11:58:07AM -0400, Adam Turoff wrote: > > It's not so much that Perl shouldn't have data structures or modules. > > I think what Stephen is saying (and he's not the only one) is that > > the bare minimum amount of Perl you *must* kno

'is' and action at a distance

2001-05-17 Thread Edward Peschko
Any ideas on how to handle this with the 'is' keyword? I was reading the slashdot comments to Exegesis II, and this seemed to be the one issue that had merit. A couple of the posters bemoaned the fact that they were debugging PL/I about 25 years ago, and had code that depended on some obscure pro

Re: 'is' and action at a distance

2001-05-17 Thread Damian Conway
Ed wrote: > Any ideas on how to handle this with the 'is' keyword? I was > reading the slashdot comments to Exegesis II, and this seemed to be > the one issue that had merit. A couple of the posters bemoaned the > fact that they were debugging PL/I about 25 years ago, and had code

Re: 'is' and action at a distance

2001-05-17 Thread Richard Proctor
On Fri 18 May, Damian Conway wrote: > > Ed wrote: > > >> Can 'undef' valued thingys have properties > > Yes. > >> and functions? > > No. > Why not? Richard -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]