Re: This Week's Perl 6 Summary

2003-08-14 Thread Leopold Toetsch
Piers Cawley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Don't trace system areas in sweep ops > through holes in the C stack (hmm... if anyone has a good drawing of > this?)). I don't know if its a good one, but my original posting about that problem had some ASCII graphics (in this thread): Subj

Re: This Week's Perl 6 Summary

2003-08-14 Thread Michal Wallace
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003, Piers Cawley wrote: > Approaching Python > Discussions (and coding) of the Parrot implementation of Python > continued this week. Michal Wallace is working on taking a preexisting > (but incomplete, it's a proof of concept only) python parse tree -> Wow, after re

Re: This week's Perl 6 Summary

2003-07-29 Thread Leopold Toetsch
Piers Cawley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Okay, okay, PONIE really stands for 'Perl On New Internal Engine'. That's that what they say. Actually it was: "PONIEPONIE": "Perl5 Obsoletes Nasty Internals Entirely: Parrot Occupies Numerous Interpreters Everywhere" But that was to bulky. Or too many

Re: This week's Perl 6 Summary

2003-03-31 Thread arcadi shehter
Piers Cawley writes: > is static? > Discussion of static/state variables continued. Arcadi Shehter wondered > if it made sense to attach "but" properties to closures. I confess I > didn't really understand what he was driving at. Austin Hastings and Actually, I was confused , thi

Re: This week's Perl 6 Summary

2003-03-31 Thread Michael Lazzaro
On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 10:15 AM, Jonathan Scott Duff wrote: On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 10:09:43AM -0800, Michael Lazzaro wrote: I'm still hoping rather desperately for a if-uninitialized op in general, even if only for hashes, because the difference between "present but undefined" and "not pr

Re: This week's Perl 6 Summary

2003-03-31 Thread Jonathan Scott Duff
On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 10:09:43AM -0800, Michael Lazzaro wrote: > I'm still hoping rather desperately for a if-uninitialized op in > general, even if only for hashes, because the difference between > "present but undefined" and "not present" is rather crucial for some > common algorithms. Ca

Re: This week's Perl 6 Summary

2003-03-31 Thread Michael Lazzaro
On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 07:39 AM, Piers Cawley wrote: Argument initializations Michael Lazzaro summarized the various different and proposed assignment operators available in Perl 6, including a proposed "::=" for 'only assign to uninitialized variables'. Michael wondered how

Re: megillah (was Re: This week's Perl 6 Summary)

2003-03-18 Thread Austin Hastings
--- Uri Guttman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "PC" == Piers Cawley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > PC> To do that you need to declare the parameter with "is > PC> copy". Uri noted that he really should keep his finger off > the > PC> send button until he's read the whole 'm

megillah (was Re: This week's Perl 6 Summary)

2003-03-18 Thread Uri Guttman
> "PC" == Piers Cawley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: PC> To do that you need to declare the parameter with "is PC> copy". Uri noted that he really should keep his finger off the PC> send button until he's read the whole 'megilla', whatever one PC> of those is. it is appr

Re: This week's Perl 6 Summary [OT]

2003-03-11 Thread Tanton Gibbs
TLA = Three Letter Acronymn - Original Message - From: "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Leopold Toetsch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 1

Re: This week's Perl 6 Summary [OT]

2003-03-11 Thread Paul
--- Leopold Toetsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Piers Cawley wrote: > > Coroutines end and DFG > > Nobody explained what DFG stands for. > > It's a commonly used TLA standing for Data Flow Graph, which > accompanies the CFG (Control Flow Graph). Both are necessary > for register allocation

Re: This week's Perl 6 Summary

2003-03-11 Thread Leopold Toetsch
Piers Cawley wrote: Coroutines end and DFG Nobody explained what DFG stands for. It's a commonly used TLA standing for Data Flow Graph, which accompanies the CFG (Control Flow Graph). Both are necessary for register allocation. leo

Re: This week's Perl 6 Summary

2003-02-28 Thread Leopold Toetsch
Dan Sugalski wrote: At 8:54 AM +0100 2/28/03, Leopold Toetsch wrote: I see that limitation. But currently we have a high overhead JIT. The problem is not so much program run time, but load time. Damn. Okay, what sort of metadata would be appropriate to aid in this? If it means having the assem

Re: This week's Perl 6 Summary

2003-02-28 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 8:54 AM +0100 2/28/03, Leopold Toetsch wrote: Dan Sugalski wrote: ... And with that limitation, I'd rather have a lower-overhead JIT with a win for the shorter programs than a high-overhead one with a win for long-running programs. I see that limitation. But currently we have a high overhead

Re: This week's Perl 6 Summary

2003-02-28 Thread Leopold Toetsch
Dan Sugalski wrote: ... And with that limitation, I'd rather have a lower-overhead JIT with a win for the shorter programs than a high-overhead one with a win for long-running programs. I see that limitation. But currently we have a high overhead JIT. The problem is not so much program run ti

Re: This week's Perl 6 Summary

2003-02-26 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 12:41 PM -0500 2/26/03, Jason Gloudon wrote: On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 09:31:39AM -0800, Sean O'Rourke wrote: Dan -- you might be interested in http://www.usenix.org/events/javavm02/chen_m.html (if you have a USENIX Research wants to be free: http://www-hydra.stanford.edu/publications/JVM02.pd

Re: This week's Perl 6 Summary

2003-02-26 Thread Jason Gloudon
On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 09:31:39AM -0800, Sean O'Rourke wrote: > Dan -- you might be interested in > http://www.usenix.org/events/javavm02/chen_m.html (if you have a USENIX Research wants to be free: http://www-hydra.stanford.edu/publications/JVM02.pdf -- Jason

Re: This week's Perl 6 Summary

2003-02-26 Thread Sean O'Rourke
First off, thanks to our relentless..., er, tireless summarizer for continuing to digest and clarify our wandering discussion. On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Piers Cawley wrote: > Using IMCC as JIT optimizer > Apparently, Leo Tötsch finds it unbearable that 'optimized compiled C is > still faster

Re: This week's Perl 6 Summary

2003-02-17 Thread Leopold Toetsch
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...but Leo seem to think that... I agree with the policy of referring to Leo in the plural. Regards, -- Gregor We thank you leo, me, myself & I, Leopold

Re: This week's Perl 6 Summary

2003-02-17 Thread gregor
> ...but Leo seem to think that... I agree with the policy of referring to Leo in the plural. Regards, -- Gregor

Re: This week's Perl 6 Summary

2003-02-14 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 11:40 PM +0100 2/14/03, Leopold Toetsch wrote: Dan Sugalski wrote: The challenge system is x86 Linux with GCC, FWIW. Nice ;-) And not even my choice, but who am I to argue, right? :) -- Dan --"it's like this"---

Re: This week's Perl 6 Summary

2003-02-14 Thread Leopold Toetsch
Dan Sugalski wrote: The challenge system is x86 Linux with GCC, FWIW. Nice ;-) leo

Re: This week's Perl 6 Summary

2003-02-14 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 9:02 PM + 2/14/03, Nicholas Clark wrote: On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 03:45:20PM -0500, Dan Sugalski wrote: The challenge system is x86 Linux with GCC, FWIW. I have this nagging feeling we'll be able to muster something that'll run on it... :) Are we free to use whichever runops core we fe

Re: This week's Perl 6 Summary

2003-02-14 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 03:45:20PM -0500, Dan Sugalski wrote: > The challenge system is x86 Linux with GCC, FWIW. I have this nagging > feeling we'll be able to muster something that'll run on it... :) Are we free to use whichever runops core we feel like? Nicholas Clark

Re: This week's Perl 6 Summary

2003-02-14 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 4:17 PM +0100 2/11/03, Leopold Toetsch wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 2004 Performance challenge Dan announced that he'd made a bet with Guido van Rossum that Parrot would be faster at executing a pure python benchmark You missed the pie as part of the penalty, though tha

Re: This week's Perl 6 Summary

2003-02-11 Thread Piers Cawley
Leopold Toetsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> The 2004 Performance challenge >> Dan announced that he'd made a bet with Guido van Rossum that Parrot >> would be faster at executing a pure python benchmark > > > [ ... ] > > >> For some reason nobody comme

Re: This week's Perl 6 Summary

2003-02-11 Thread Leopold Toetsch
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 2004 Performance challenge Dan announced that he'd made a bet with Guido van Rossum that Parrot would be faster at executing a pure python benchmark [ ... ] For some reason nobody commented on this. The CGP runloop was the comment ;-) Thanks f

Re: This week's Perl 6 Summary

2003-01-28 Thread banjo
On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 06:34, Piers Cawley wrote: > Compiling to Parrot > K Stol is looking for a final project for his Bachelor's degree and > would like to implement some language targeting Parrot and asked for > suggestions. Simon Wistow suggested PHP or Lua, Leon Brocard suggested

Re: This week's Perl 6 summary

2002-12-24 Thread David Wheeler
On Tuesday, December 24, 2002, at 02:55 AM, Piers Cawley wrote: Apparently part of the problem is that the undef function isn't fully defined. Well, isn't that sort-of the point? :-) David -- David Wheeler AIM: dwTheory [EMAIL PROTECTED]

re: This week's Perl 6 summary

2002-11-13 Thread Damian Conway
Deborah Ariel Pickett wrote: > Assuming that semicolon is no longer going to be a supercomma in these > situations, does that mean that we C addicts can have C back to do > the kinds of loops that we mean when we say "for loops"? I hope not. > I really don't much like the C keyword. > > for (

Re: This week's Perl 6 Summary

2002-11-13 Thread Deborah Ariel Pickett
> Supercomma! > [snip] > Larry then confessed that he was thinking of changing the declaration of > parallel for loops from: > for @a ; @b ; @c - $a ; $b ; $c {...} > to something like: > for parallel(@a, @b, @c) - $a, $b, $c {...} Assuming that semicolon is no longer goi

Re: This week's Perl 6 Summary

2002-11-13 Thread fearcadi
Piers Cawley writes: > > FMTWYENTK about ":=" > Bravely declining to expand the acronym in his subject, arcardi posted a > summary of his current understanding of the behavior of ":=", the its "far more then what you ever need to know" and after Damian Conway answer it becomes JEOWY