Re: Supporting safe managed references

2006-01-25 Thread Chip Salzenberg
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 09:19:48AM -0800, Larry Wall wrote: > On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 01:04:10PM -, Jonathan Worthington wrote: > : Looking at what Chip said though, it would appear that the much cleaner > : solution I was hoping to find exists and can be found in lex pad stuff, > : which I n

Re: Supporting safe managed references

2006-01-24 Thread Jonathan Worthington
"Chip Salzenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 08:49:55PM -, Jonathan Worthington wrote: "Chip Salzenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I'd prefer to reuse something in the engine already for those callbacks. >If a lightweight callback mechanism, with parameter, doesn't

Re: Supporting safe managed references

2006-01-24 Thread Chip Salzenberg
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 08:49:55PM -, Jonathan Worthington wrote: > "Chip Salzenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I'd prefer to reuse something in the engine already for those callbacks. > >If a lightweight callback mechanism, with parameter, doesn't already > >exist, then you could either us

Re: Supporting safe managed references

2006-01-24 Thread Jonathan Worthington
"Chip Salzenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 03:52:39PM -, Jonathan Worthington wrote: "Chip Salzenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >The trick is to keep references to registers in a way that notices >when the register set is gone, or alternatively, that keeps the >re

Re: Supporting safe managed references

2006-01-24 Thread Chip Salzenberg
jeepers I mangled this paragraph On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 10:31:50AM -0800, Chip Salzenberg wrote: > What I had in mind, was imitating whatever a closure does to hold onto a > context chain. I would detail that here except it's not on the top of my > brain except (1) the point is the imitation-rat

Re: Supporting safe managed references

2006-01-24 Thread Chip Salzenberg
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 03:52:39PM -, Jonathan Worthington wrote: > "Chip Salzenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >The trick is to keep references to registers in a way that notices > >when the register set is gone, or alternatively, that keeps the > >register set from going away. The latter

Re: Supporting safe managed references

2006-01-24 Thread Larry Wall
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 01:04:10PM -, Jonathan Worthington wrote: : Looking at what Chip said though, it would appear that the much cleaner : solution I was hoping to find exists and can be found in lex pad stuff, : which I need to go stare at for a bit before replying. :-) This is tangenti

Re: Supporting safe managed references

2006-01-24 Thread Jonathan Worthington
"Paolo Molaro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 01/24/06 Jonathan Worthington wrote: .NET has these managed reference thingies. They're basically like They are called managed pointers. Yes. And now I've misled Parrot folks into mis-naming them managed references. D'oh. pointers, but safe.

Re: Supporting safe managed references

2006-01-24 Thread Jonathan Worthington
"Chip Salzenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 12:11:14AM -, Jonathan Worthington wrote: .NET has these managed reference thingies. They're basically like pointers, but safe. [...] Making them work on Parrot is no problem. Making them work without comprimising the s

Re: Supporting safe managed references

2006-01-24 Thread Paolo Molaro
On 01/24/06 Jonathan Worthington wrote: > .NET has these managed reference thingies. They're basically like They are called managed pointers. > pointers, but safe. What makes them safe is that only certain instructions > can create them and the pointer value can't be set directly (we can do t

Re: Supporting safe managed references

2006-01-24 Thread Jonathan Worthington
"Nicholas Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 12:11:14AM -, Jonathan Worthington wrote: .NET has these managed reference thingies. They're basically like b) Add a v-table flag saying "returning me is forbidden" and checking that on any PMCs that get returned. (H

Re: Supporting safe managed references

2006-01-24 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 12:11:14AM -, Jonathan Worthington wrote: > .NET has these managed reference thingies. They're basically like > b) Add a v-table flag saying "returning me is forbidden" and checking that > on any PMCs that get returned. (However, there are subtle issues. For > e

Re: Supporting safe managed references

2006-01-23 Thread Chip Salzenberg
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 12:11:14AM -, Jonathan Worthington wrote: > .NET has these managed reference thingies. They're basically like > pointers, but safe. [...] > > Making them work on Parrot is no problem. Making them work without > comprimising the safety of the VM is harder. Amongst