Stephen Zander wrote:
> OpenSource. Try writing a second Perl implementation from scratch.
Well it's a dicier proposition that writing a Fortran or COBOL
implementation from scratch, but it's Not Intractable. The next
assertion might come as a small shock to you but Larry isn't god.
Topaz wo
abigail [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
*>
*>Blech. Sun didn't force you to run either Linux, or to use a PPC platform.
*>It's your choice, and blaming Sun to screw you doesn't make much sense.
Well, it's the Advocate or Asshole dilemma.
http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2000/12/advocacy.html
The conclusion
On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 06:59:07PM -0400, Michael G Schwern wrote:
>
> As a Solaris gal, this might all seem perfectly sensible. Myself, I'm
> doubly screwed running Linux (which is not Windows or Solaris) on a
> PowerPC (which is not Intel or Sparc). Sun might have perfectly valid
> business r
> "schwern" == schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
schwern> Sun doesn't give out its JDK source code freely, they
schwern> have all sorts of restrictions. If I wanted to port the
schwern> JDK I can do it, but I need special permission from Sun
schwern> to distribute it. This
All, of course, imho:
> Were something dreadful to happen to Larry and his estate chose to
> change the licensing terms of the current *implementation*
Well they can only do that to a copy of their own, not
existing copies. While the law isn't clear on a lot of
nuances related to more complex o
Stephen Zander [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
*>
*>Speaking as someone with feet firmly in both camps (I'm a Blackdown
*>member and the Debian maintainer for the jdk and some of the largest
*>perl modules in that distribution), IMNSHO the fatal assumption made
*>by millions of people is that Java is O
On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 01:49:45PM -0700, Stephen Zander wrote:
> Perl's great blessing is also it's great curse; there's a single
> implementation and that *implementation* happens to be OpenSource.
> Try writing a second Perl implementation from scratch.
Fortunately, we don't have to. :)
Perl
On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 11:57:42AM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
> If Java sucks to install on some boutique/niche platforms it
> could mean that a) noone has told them about the issues
I can't even conceive they're not accutely aware.
> b) noone in the FreeBSD/Linux world has taken it upon
Adam Turoff [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
*>
*>This is the issue in a nutshell. Let's not mix business issues
*>with technical ones. Let's not mix cluster management with simple
*>end-user installation. Let's not mix businesses losing millions
*>by the microsecond with the guy who just wants his l
On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 05:20:40PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> There's the trick, Solaris is Sun's Blessed Platform. As a
> Linux/PowerPC user, I know how Ziggy feels. I'm almost totally
> ignored by Sun and I'd imagine I'd have just as much trouble getting
> it working as he did.
This is
Michael G Schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 05:29:53PM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
> > Not all OS, though most, have Perl in the base install and those that do
> > even have problems. Config.pm has issues on HP and Sun, RedHat has spotty
> > RPMs that occsaionall
On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 05:29:53PM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
> Not all OS, though most, have Perl in the base install and those that do
> even have problems. Config.pm has issues on HP and Sun, RedHat has spotty
> RPMs that occsaionally go awry.
That's their fault. Find a better distrib
On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 06:51:33PM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
> *>That's their fault. Find a better distribution.
>
> There are a lot of Solaris 8 users out there and to have a broken OEM Perl
> is not optimal. That response would not be well received.
If distributes a broken Perl with
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
*>
*>There's the trick, Solaris is Sun's Blessed Platform. As a
*>Linux/PowerPC user, I know how Ziggy feels. I'm almost totally
*>ignored by Sun and I'd imagine I'd have just as much trouble getting
*>it working as he did.
*>
*>You can almost argue t
Having gone through much the same pain a couple of weeks ago (although
I just broke down and installed the linux-jdk-1.3.1 port after Sun's
web site told me to come back later), I eagerly await a pure-Perl
replacement for FOP (http://xml.apache.org/fop/index.html)).
--
Christopher Masto S
On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 03:41:51PM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
> I don't believe I was saying that. My point was that you had a bad
> experience installing Java on FreeBSD and have declared that it sucks to
> install it. Unsurprisingly, I have never had a problem installing or
> supporting J
On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 01:18:07PM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
> And support depends on what model you have. If you can afford commercial
> supprt, I'd guess Java would be easier hands down since SUN has
> wonderful support in my experince.
I don't think we want to drag "you can throw alot
Adam Turoff [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
*>
*>Allow me to clarify: a degenerate case for installing a *single* *specific*
*>version of Perl never requires transfers or temporary disk space measured
*>in quarter gigabytes.
For a single user on a single machine, no, but considering disk space is
chea
On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 01:18:07PM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
> Adam Turoff [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
> *>
> *>Nevertheless, a degenerate case for installing Perl never requires
> *>transfers or temporary disk space measured in quarter gigabytes.
>
> Sure it can.
Allow me to clarify: a
Adam Turoff [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
*>
*>Nevertheless, a degenerate case for installing Perl never requires
*>transfers or temporary disk space measured in quarter gigabytes.
Sure it can. Sysadmins are frequently asked to keep multiple versions of
Perl around for people who have a tool that wo
On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 12:02:28PM -0400, Christopher Masto wrote:
> Having gone through much the same pain a couple of weeks ago (although
> I just broke down and installed the linux-jdk-1.3.1 port after Sun's
> web site told me to come back later), I eagerly await a pure-Perl
> replacement for F
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