Re: Fwd: Python running fast on .NET

2003-12-24 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 11:00 AM -0800 12/24/03, Joe Wilson wrote: Even with a zero overhead runloop a 20 times speed improvement in running typical non-trivial Python programs is simply not possible. It's not like the Python opcodes perform no work at all: Performance Measurements for Pystone http://zope.org/Members

Re: Fwd: Python running fast on .NET

2003-12-24 Thread Joe Wilson
Even with a zero overhead runloop a 20 times speed improvement in running typical non-trivial Python programs is simply not possible. It's not like the Python opcodes perform no work at all: Performance Measurements for Pystone http://zope.org/Members/jeremy/CurrentAndFutureProjects/pystone Th

Re: Fwd: Python running fast on .NET

2003-12-24 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 10:28 PM -0800 12/23/03, Joe Wilson wrote: In order to get the 20x speed gain you seek I assume that Parrot would have to perform some sort of variable type inference to distinguish, for example, when a scalar is really just an integer and use an integer register. Otherwise, the PMCs in Parrot

Re: Fwd: Python running fast on .NET

2003-12-23 Thread Joe Wilson
In order to get the 20x speed gain you seek I assume that Parrot would have to perform some sort of variable type inference to distinguish, for example, when a scalar is really just an integer and use an integer register. Otherwise, the PMCs in Parrot would perform much the same as the Python

Re: Fwd: Python running fast on .NET

2003-12-23 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 2:28 PM -0800 12/22/03, Joe Wilson wrote: Grotty bits? Can you be more specific? What Python features or idioms do you believe Parrot will run faster than the CLR? Amongst other things, python allows for dynamic addition and deletion of object attributes (or what we're calling attributes--per-o

Re: Fwd: Python running fast on .NET

2003-12-22 Thread Joe Wilson
Grotty bits? Can you be more specific? What Python features or idioms do you believe Parrot will run faster than the CLR? --- Dan Sugalski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, but alas Miguel's mis-informed. A reasonable reimplementation > of core python (without all the grotty bits that arguably t

Re: Fwd: Python running fast on .NET

2003-12-22 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 10:12 PM +0100 12/22/03, Leopold Toetsch wrote: Dan Sugalski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Nope. The python source and bytecode for the challenge is due by the end of the month ... which isn't many days off. Do you have the benchmarks already? Nope. I'm waiting on Guido. --

Re: Fwd: Python running fast on .NET

2003-12-22 Thread Leopold Toetsch
Dan Sugalski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nope. The python source and bytecode for the challenge is due by the > end of the month ... which isn't many days off. Do you have the benchmarks already? leo

Re: Fwd: Python running fast on .NET

2003-12-22 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 7:45 PM -0800 12/21/03, Joe Wilson wrote: Perhaps some of you may be interested in this entry from Miguel de Icaza's web log: Python running fast on .NET http://primates.ximian.com/~miguel/archive/2003/Dec-09.html Yeah, but alas Miguel's mis-informed. A reasonable reimplementation of core pytho