Re: RFC 125 (v2) Components in the Perl Core Should Have Well-Defined APIs and Behavior

2000-10-10 Thread Sam Tregar
On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, Tim Bunce wrote: > > A very complete UML tool in Java is ArgoUML: > > > > http://argouml.tigris.org/ > > Umm, it might be interesting for someone to add a Perl code generator > for it... I've played with the idea of adding Perl code-generation to my design tools (Visio200

Re: RFC 125 (v2) Components in the Perl Core Should Have Well-Defined APIs and Behavior

2000-10-10 Thread Tim Bunce
On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 12:34:04PM +0200, Bart Schuller wrote: > On Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 03:01:18PM -0400, 'John Porter' wrote: > > Thanks for the link, Peter. I have now checked out Dia, and I'm not > > enthusiastic about it. It seems to be a good start, but maturity is > > a long way off. Not

Re: RFC 125 (v2) Components in the Perl Core Should Have Well-Defined APIs and Behavior

2000-10-10 Thread Bart Schuller
On Sun, Oct 01, 2000 at 03:01:18PM -0400, 'John Porter' wrote: > Thanks for the link, Peter. I have now checked out Dia, and I'm not > enthusiastic about it. It seems to be a good start, but maturity is > a long way off. Not only that, but it is cumbersome (imho) to set up. > I still think I'd

Re: RFC 125 (v2) Components in the Perl Core Should Have Well-Defined APIs and Behavior

2000-10-05 Thread Philip Newton
On 5 Oct 2000, at 13:44, Dan Sugalski wrote: > At 06:19 PM 10/5/00 +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > >On 2 Oct 2000, at 16:14, Dan Sugalski wrote: > > > > > I'll have to go pick that up on Thursday and add it to the Darned Big Pile > > > of books I need to read. > > > >Funny how everyone seems to hav

Re: RFC 125 (v2) Components in the Perl Core Should Have Well-Defined APIs and Behavior

2000-10-05 Thread Philip Newton
On 2 Oct 2000, at 16:14, Dan Sugalski wrote: > At 04:34 PM 9/29/00 -0400, John Porter wrote: > >Dan Sugalski wrote: > > > > > > I've no experience with UML, though. Got a pointer to a quick overview? > > > >Without a doubt, "UML Distilled" is the bible of the genre. > > I'll have to go pick that

Re: RFC 125 (v2) Components in the Perl Core Should Have Well-Defined APIs and Behavior

2000-10-05 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 07:51 PM 10/5/00 +0200, Philip Newton wrote: >On 5 Oct 2000, at 13:44, Dan Sugalski wrote: > > > At 06:19 PM 10/5/00 +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > > >On 2 Oct 2000, at 16:14, Dan Sugalski wrote: > > > > > > > I'll have to go pick that up on Thursday and add it to the Darned > Big Pile > > > >

Re: RFC 125 (v2) Components in the Perl Core Should Have Well-Defined APIs and Behavior

2000-10-05 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 06:19 PM 10/5/00 +0200, Philip Newton wrote: >On 2 Oct 2000, at 16:14, Dan Sugalski wrote: > > > At 04:34 PM 9/29/00 -0400, John Porter wrote: > > >Dan Sugalski wrote: > > > > > > > > I've no experience with UML, though. Got a pointer to a quick overview? > > > > > >Without a doubt, "UML Distil

Re: RFC 125 (v2) Components in the Perl Core Should Have Well-Defined APIs and Behavior

2000-10-02 Thread Johan Vromans
"Peter Buckingham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > ... but it may be simpler than just doing everything from > scratch in xfig. Check Tgif (http://bourbon.cs.umd.edu:8001/tgif/). -- Johan

Re: RFC 125 (v2) Components in the Perl Core Should Have Well-Defined APIs and Behavior

2000-10-02 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 04:34 PM 9/29/00 -0400, John Porter wrote: >Dan Sugalski wrote: > > > > I've no experience with UML, though. Got a pointer to a quick overview? > >Without a doubt, "UML Distilled" is the bible of the genre. I'll have to go pick that up on Thursday and add it to the Darned Big Pile of books I

Re: RFC 125 (v2) Components in the Perl Core Should Have Well-Defined APIs and Behavior

2000-10-01 Thread 'John Porter'
Peter Buckingham wrote: > > but i did a quick check and there is a visio style program that is covered > by the GPL > Dia (http://www.lysator.liu.se/~alla/dia/) > > i have not used it, but it may be simpler than just doing everything from > scratch in xfig. Thanks for the link, Peter. I

Re: RFC 125 (v2) Components in the Perl Core Should Have Well-Defined APIs and Behavior

2000-09-29 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 04:17 PM 9/28/00 -0400, John Porter wrote: > > I think, though, that the core interface should be procedural. > >I agree. We should not confuse OOD with OOP. Fair enough, and I was. I've no experience with UML, though. Got a pointer to a quick overview?

Re: RFC 125 (v2) Components in the Perl Core Should Have Well-Defined APIs and Behavior

2000-09-28 Thread John van V
> a design expressed in UML could be > implemented in a non-OO language. Interesting concept... "expressing" perl in UML would certainly add depth to the artistic license ;) > > I think, though, that the core interface should be procedural. > > I agree. We should not confuse OOD with OOP. As

Re: RFC 125 (v2) Components in the Perl Core Should Have Well-Defined APIs and Behavior

2000-09-28 Thread John Porter
Dan Sugalski wrote: > At 07:38 PM 9/28/00 +, Perl6 RFC Librarian wrote: > >These APIs should be documented separately from the implementation, in a > >language-independent and an object-oriented way. > > Unfortunately the two conflict. C, APL, Fortran, and COBOL aren't > particularly object-

Re: RFC 125 (v2) Components in the Perl Core Should Have Well-Defined APIs and Behavior

2000-09-28 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 07:38 PM 9/28/00 +, Perl6 RFC Librarian wrote: >These APIs should be documented separately from the implementation, in a >language-independent and an object-oriented way. Unfortunately the two conflict. C, APL, Fortran, and COBOL aren't particularly object-oriented... Not that I disagree

RFC 125 (v2) Components in the Perl Core Should Have Well-Defined APIs and Behavior

2000-09-28 Thread Perl6 RFC Librarian
This and other RFCs are available on the web at http://dev.perl.org/rfc/ =head1 TITLE Components in the Perl Core Should Have Well-Defined APIs and Behavior =head1 VERSION Maintainer: Bradley M. Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 17 Aug 2000 Last Modified: 28 Sep 2000 Mailing List: [EMAI