questions about sigpipe

2022-08-08 Thread Marc Chantreux
hello Rakoons, I found the sigpipe module [S13] while reading the Rakudo Weekly news[rwn] so Raku can handle SIGPIPE the way I think is the good one: raku -e 'loop { say "y"}' | sed 3q # some weird error raku -Msigpipe -e 'loop { say "y"}' | sed 3q # just works r

Re: the MAIN questions

2021-12-29 Thread Timo Paulssen
argfiles = IO::ArgFiles.new(@files); .&fixline.say for $argfiles.lines } This would be fair enough in any other langages but the whole thing looks unelegant in a raku code. So now I have 2 questions: * I'm pretty sure i saw something like :!$test to express Bool :$test = False. D

Re: the MAIN questions

2021-12-29 Thread Marc Chantreux
hello Daniel, > > Did i just dreamed about it ? > You sort of dreamed it. damn! thanks for the red pill. > my $argfiles = IO::ArgFiles.new(@files || '-'); my perl history works against me there: i see @files.elems || '-' here :) thank you. > The other change I'd suggest for additional ele

Re: the MAIN questions

2021-12-29 Thread Daniel Sockwell
> * I'm pretty sure i saw something like :!$test to express Bool :$test = False. > Did i just dreamed about it ? You sort of dreamed it. :!test passes test => False as a Pair, which means $test = False. But that's syntax for calling the fn, not declaring it. You could do Bool() :$test=0, but i

the MAIN questions

2021-12-29 Thread Marc Chantreux
= IO::ArgFiles.new(@files); .&fixline.say for $argfiles.lines } This would be fair enough in any other langages but the whole thing looks unelegant in a raku code. So now I have 2 questions: * I'm pretty sure i saw something like :!$test to express Bool :$test = False. Did i just dreamed abo

Re: pod questions

2021-07-19 Thread Tom Browder
ign.raku.org/S02.html#Multiline_Comments . It >> states that any unrecognized format name should be treated as a comment >> block, which the above output shows, the renderers do not. Should I file an >> issue? >> > > Yes, please. > > -Tom > > Will do. > > What about

Re: pod questions

2021-07-19 Thread Tom Browder
On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 06:57 Marcel Timmerman wrote: Reading a bit, I came across old documents (with a warning that these are > out of date) https://design.raku.org/S02.html#Multiline_Comments . It > states that any unrecognized format name should be treated as a comment > block, which the abov

pod questions

2021-07-19 Thread Marcel Timmerman
Gnome-T ===     my Int $i = 10; Three questions; * Are there any reserved tags for the '=begin' format name? * Reading a bit, I came across old documents (with a warning that these are out of date) https://design.raku.org/S02.html#Multiline_Comments . It states that any un

Re: Notes/Questions about Leon Timmermans's talk

2021-06-10 Thread Marc Chantreux
Hello, > > sub foo ( Int $x ) { 0 if $x > 5 } > > sub hello {say "hello $^world"} > > if defined my $value = foo 45 { hello $value } >with foo 7 { say $^value } i feel really dumb right now as i just used with and didn't made the match in my head. > or if you want to trigger on *not* d

Re: Notes/Questions about Leon Timmermans's talk

2021-06-09 Thread Elizabeth Mattijsen
ther details are still > bugging me so i have some questions there: > > A. if x -> $y with // > > For exemple, given a function Foo > > sub foo ( Int $x ) { 42 if $x > 5 } > > this is awesome you can write > > if foo 7 -> $value { say $value } >

Notes/Questions about Leon Timmermans's talk

2021-06-09 Thread Marc Chantreux
hello, I just saw this and it's very good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elalwvfmYgk The features he picked are indeed things i really like in raku and i learned some interesting details. Other details are still bugging me so i have some questions there: A. if x -> $y with // For

Re: classes and objects questions

2020-12-17 Thread ToddAndMargo via perl6-users
On 12/14/20 2:33 PM, ToddAndMargo via perl6-users wrote: Hi All, https://docs.raku.org/language/classtut "A tutorial about creating and using classes in Raku" So far so good. "Raku has a rich built-in syntax for defining and using classes." U. Forgot something did

Re: classes and objects questions

2020-12-15 Thread ToddAndMargo via perl6-users
On 12/14/20 2:33 PM, ToddAndMargo via perl6-users wrote: Hi All, https://docs.raku.org/language/classtut "A tutorial about creating and using classes in Raku" So far so good. "Raku has a rich built-in syntax for defining and using classes." U. Forgot something did

Re: classes and objects questions

2020-12-15 Thread ToddAndMargo via perl6-users
On 12/15/20 12:34 AM, WFB wrote: JJ may be right about the OO thing, but it makes the tutorial pretty much useless.  How "class" and "object" *relate* to Raku needs to be explained. When we are talking about describing Classes and Objects in a few words, then I agree. Searching o

Re: classes and objects questions

2020-12-15 Thread ToddAndMargo via perl6-users
On 12/15/20 7:00 AM, Parrot Raiser wrote: Raku allows for several different programming paradigms; procedural, functional, (as in languages like LISP), and object-oriented. It is possible to write purely procedural Raku, while ignoring O-O features completely, though it does take some dodging. O

Re: classes and objects questions

2020-12-15 Thread Parrot Raiser
Raku allows for several different programming paradigms; procedural, functional, (as in languages like LISP), and object-oriented. It is possible to write purely procedural Raku, while ignoring O-O features completely, though it does take some dodging. Object-oriented.programming first surfaced in

Re: classes and objects questions

2020-12-15 Thread WFB
JJ may be right about the OO thing, but it makes the > tutorial pretty much useless. How "class" and "object" > *relate* to Raku needs to be explained. > When we are talking about describing Classes and Objects in a few words, then I agree. Searching on the web reveals lots of tutorials for Java,

Re: classes and objects questions

2020-12-14 Thread ToddAndMargo via perl6-users
For starters, I need to have the definition of "class" and "object". Then I need their rules. -T On 12/14/20 10:33 PM, WFB wrote: Hi ToddAndMargo, Thanks for the effort to improve the Raku docs. However, this is a Raku not OO (Object Oriented

Re: classes and objects questions

2020-12-14 Thread WFB
Hi ToddAndMargo, Thanks for the effort to improve the Raku docs. However, this is a Raku not OO (Object Oriented ) related tutorial. As JJ already pointed out, these pages are to show the reader how you get things done in Raku, not what OO

Re: classes and objects questions

2020-12-14 Thread ToddAndMargo via perl6-users
On 12/14/20 5:24 PM, Aureliano Guedes wrote: That's why, as a community-developed language (including docs) I'd like to suggest to you help to improve the docs. This way, when I have - with some lucky - free time, I may learn with you and all others that wrote these docs. Hi Aureliano, I abso

Re: classes and objects questions

2020-12-14 Thread Aureliano Guedes
, as far I follow this group, trying to learn something, I saw you doing some questions. And somehow I notice you have more knowledge than me in this long waited new-born (after 15y) language. That's why, as a community-developed language (including docs) I'd like to suggest to you help to im

classes and objects questions

2020-12-14 Thread ToddAndMargo via perl6-users
Hi All, https://docs.raku.org/language/classtut "A tutorial about creating and using classes in Raku" So far so good. "Raku has a rich built-in syntax for defining and using classes." U. Forgot something did we? What is a "class"? Next up: "A default construct

Re: NativeCall questions

2020-05-08 Thread David Santiago
Thanks for the information! Have a great weekend! Best regards, David Santiago Tobias Boege escreveu no dia sexta, 8/05/2020 à(s) 15:52: > > On Fri, 08 May 2020, David Santiago wrote: > > I also noticed that although my data string is defined as > > CArray[uint8], when i loop through the array,

Re: NativeCall questions

2020-05-08 Thread Tobias Boege
On Fri, 08 May 2020, David Santiago wrote: > I also noticed that although my data string is defined as > CArray[uint8], when i loop through the array, the values are signed > ints: > > say $_ for $ed.data[0..10]; > > output: > > -98 There is an old open bug report about this: https://github.co

Re: NativeCall questions

2020-05-08 Thread David Santiago
I also noticed that although my data string is defined as CArray[uint8], when i loop through the array, the values are signed ints: say $_ for $ed.data[0..10]; output: -98 -110 -109 -99 74 -109 -99 74 -105 -93 74 Is it possible to not "sign" them? Regards, David Santiago Curt Tilmes escreveu

Re: NativeCall questions

2020-05-08 Thread Curt Tilmes
On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:49 AM David Santiago wrote: > EncodedData* ed = malloc(sizeof(EncodedData)); > ed->data = encbuffer; > ed->crc32 = crc32; > return ed; You're returning a pointer to encbuffer -- make sure the storage for that is kept around somewhere. If it is passed in from Raku, you'l

Re: NativeCall questions

2020-05-08 Thread David Santiago
Thanks for the help. > EncodedData *encode(unsigned char* data, size_t data_size) > and return &ed. > Also your struct and CStruct are defining the contents in the reverse > order. They must > match up exactly. > I did those two changes: """ EncodedData* ed = malloc(sizeof(EncodedData)); ed->da

Re: NativeCall questions

2020-05-08 Thread Curt Tilmes
On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 6:44 AM David Santiago wrote: > > I'm porting some personal perl5 scripts to Raku, and one of those > scripts is using Inline::C. > [...] > Why? How do i fix it? I haven't tried all of this, but the first thing that leaps out is that repr('CStruct') is not a struct -- it

Re: NativeCall questions

2020-05-08 Thread Timo Paulssen
Hi David, the first thing that catches my eye is that your struct and the class have the members switched around, so you're already almost guaranteed to read a bogus pointer when trying to get the data. Also, please note that returning structs directly, or passing structs directly, as arguments i

NativeCall questions

2020-05-08 Thread David Santiago
Hello, I'm porting some personal perl5 scripts to Raku, and one of those scripts is using Inline::C. The inline::c code would contain a function with the signature: AV* encode(unsigned char* data, size_t data_size) Description of the parameters on the original perl script: data -> binary stri

Re: More questions on the "-pe" one-liner flag: in conjunction with s/// and tr///

2020-05-07 Thread Laurent Rosenfeld via perl6-users
Hi William, I guess that you now have answers to your questions. I would suggest, however, that you take a look as Andrew Shitov's book *Raku One-Liners*, available on-line ( https://andrewshitov.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Raku-One-Liners.pdf). There are (around page 12) some explanatio

Re: More questions on the "-pe" one-liner flag: in conjunction with s/// and tr///

2020-05-07 Thread Gianni Ceccarelli
On 2020-05-06 William Michels via perl6-users wrote: > Are there any other "operators that modify their operands" in > Raku/Perl6 that don't require an initializing "." (dot)? The dot is used to call a method on an object. > I checked the "subst" command and it requires an initial ".=" when > us

Re: More questions on the "-pe" one-liner flag: in conjunction with s/// and tr///

2020-05-06 Thread William Michels via perl6-users
Thank you Laurent! Are there any other "operators that modify their operands" in Raku/Perl6 that don't require an initializing "." (dot)? I checked the "subst" command and it requires an initial ".=" when used with the "-pe" one-liner flag: mbook:~ homedir$ perl6 -pe '.=subst(/love|like/, "admir

Re: More questions on the "-pe" one-liner flag: in conjunction with s/// and tr///

2020-05-06 Thread Laurent Rosenfeld via perl6-users
The s/// substitution operator is not a method (and tr/// also not). They both modify their operands, so there is no need anyway for a '.=' syntax, since they do already what the '.=' syntax is aimed at. Cheers, Laurent.

Re: More questions on the "-pe" one-liner flag: in conjunction with s/// and tr///

2020-05-06 Thread Gianni Ceccarelli
On 2020-05-06 William Michels via perl6-users wrote: > Can anyone answer why--in a one-liner using the "-pe" flag--the s/// > and tr/// functions do not require a "." (dot) preceding the function > call? Because they're not function calls, but *mutating* operators. As the documentation says https

More questions on the "-pe" one-liner flag: in conjunction with s/// and tr///

2020-05-06 Thread William Michels via perl6-users
Hello, Can anyone answer why--in a one-liner using the "-pe" flag--the s/// and tr/// functions do not require a "." (dot) preceding the function call? Clearly adding a "." (dot) before either one results in an error (code below). Also, adding a ".=" (dot-equals) sign before the either the s/// or

Re: join questions

2018-10-02 Thread ToddAndMargo
ates in the manual that this will happen. : : Questions: : :1) why? Because an invocant is only one thing. In this case, it's a List of exactly two things: a 1 and a sublist of . And you since passed .join only two things to stringify and join, it stringified the 1 and then it stringified th

Re: join questions

2018-10-01 Thread Larry Wall
On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 04:02:15AM -0700, ToddAndMargo wrote: : Hi All, : : https://docs.perl6.org/routine/join#(List)_routine_join : : method join(List:D: $separator --> Str:D) : : $ p6 'say (1, ).join("|");' : 1|a b c : : : It states in the manual that this will

Re: join questions

2018-09-30 Thread Simon Proctor
ich is > then joined with "1" to get "1|a b c" > > > It states in the manual that this will happen. > > Questions: > > 1) why? > > 2) where in the method definition does it state >this will happen? > > 3) why does this work?

join questions

2018-09-30 Thread ToddAndMargo
Hi All, https://docs.perl6.org/routine/join#(List)_routine_join method join(List:D: $separator --> Str:D) $ p6 'say (1, ).join("|");' 1|a b c It states in the manual that this will happen. Questions: 1) why? 2) where in the method definition does it state

Re: two questions: use 6, p5: package

2017-03-07 Thread ToddAndMargo
On 03/07/2017 11:53 AM, Brandon Allbery wrote: On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 3:12 AM, ToddAndMargo mailto:toddandma...@zoho.com>> wrote: 1) Looking at other code, I see this at the top a lot: use v6; Mine have as the first line #!/usr/bin/perl6 What is "u

Re: two questions: use 6, p5: package

2017-03-07 Thread Brandon Allbery
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 3:12 AM, ToddAndMargo wrote: > 1) Looking at other code, I see this at the top a lot: > use v6; > > Mine have as the first line > #!/usr/bin/perl6 > > What is "use v6;" used for? > It ensures that perl 5 will choke if it gets asked to load the file

two questions: use 6, p5: package

2017-03-07 Thread ToddAndMargo
Hi All, Two questions: 1) Looking at other code, I see this at the top a lot: use v6; Mine have as the first line #!/usr/bin/perl6 What is "use v6;" used for? 2) I have been looking at other's modules in Perl6. In Perl 5, the first line is

Re: clipboard and ps questions?

2017-03-05 Thread ToddAndMargo
On 02/17/2017 06:38 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: 1) Is there a reliably Perl 6 way to copy things to the clipboard? (Perl 5 has a module, but it is unreliable and I have to make a system call.) In Linux, OS::Clipboard is using xclip and is writing to the "mouse over" and "center click" cli

Re: clipboard and ps questions?

2017-02-23 Thread ToddAndMargo
On 02/23/2017 06:08 PM, yary wrote: On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 7:09 PM, ToddAndMargo mailto:toddandma...@zoho.com>> wrote: But ... it calls xclip (Linux), pbcopy (OS X), or clip (Windows), so you might as well call these programs directly with qx or qqx rather than having to use Panda

Re: clipboard and ps questions?

2017-02-23 Thread yary
On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 7:09 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: > But ... it calls xclip (Linux), pbcopy (OS X), or clip (Windows), > so you might as well call these programs directly with qx or qqx > rather than having to use Panda to compile the module > > For instance, under Perl 5 (sorry no Perl 6 examp

Re: clipboard and ps questions?

2017-02-23 Thread ToddAndMargo
On 02/17/2017 06:38 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: Hi All, rakudo-star-0.0.2016.11-1.el7.x86_64 (Linux) Two questions about substitutes for system calls: 1) Is there a reliably Perl 6 way to copy things to the clipboard? (Perl 5 has a module, but it is unreliable and I have to make a

clipboard and ps questions?

2017-02-17 Thread ToddAndMargo
Hi All, rakudo-star-0.0.2016.11-1.el7.x86_64 (Linux) Two questions about substitutes for system calls: 1) Is there a reliably Perl 6 way to copy things to the clipboard? (Perl 5 has a module, but it is unreliable and I have to make a system call.) 2) Is there a way to get a list

Re: Questions on using other "modules" in nqp

2016-08-01 Thread Tom Browder
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 3:05 PM, Patrick R. Michaud wrote: > My short answer would be that there's not a shortcut way in NQP > to avoid the fully-qualified sub names. I'm doubtful that we want > to duplicate Perl 6's import mechanism into NQP. That's all I need to know. Thanks, Patrick! -Tom

Re: Questions on using other "modules" in nqp

2016-08-01 Thread Patrick R. Michaud
My short answer would be that there's not a shortcut way in NQP to avoid the fully-qualified sub names. I'm doubtful that we want to duplicate Perl 6's import mechanism into NQP. Pm On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 07:48:55AM -0500, Tom Browder wrote: > ping > > On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 7:49 AM, Tom Browd

Re: Questions on using other "modules" in nqp

2016-07-22 Thread Tom Browder
ping On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 7:49 AM, Tom Browder wrote: > I have added a file "DebugPod.nqp" in the directory rakudo/src/Perl6 > and want to use it for debugging other files in that directory. > > Following the format of the "Pod.nqp" file in that directory, I have > structured my new file this w

Questions on using other "modules" in nqp

2016-07-07 Thread Tom Browder
I have added a file "DebugPod.nqp" in the directory rakudo/src/Perl6 and want to use it for debugging other files in that directory. Following the format of the "Pod.nqp" file in that directory, I have structured my new file this way: Perl6::DebugPod { our sub debug_rows($desc, @rows) {...}

Type constraint for named parameters, and questions about 6.c backwards compat

2015-12-21 Thread Rob Hoelz
Hello Perl 6 users and developers! I asked this in #perl6, but I wasn't getting a response there, so I figured I would try here. In the following code: > use v6; > > class C { > has Str $!dist-id; > > submethod BUILD(:$!dist-id) {} > } > > my ( $build ) = C.can('BUILD'); > say $build.sig

Re: questions about qw<>

2015-10-13 Thread Elizabeth Mattijsen
> On 13 Oct 2015, at 20:21, Marc Chantreux wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 05:59:04PM +0200, Elizabeth Mattijsen wrote: > an unnamed hash ? does it make sense? sub h() { my % = a => 42, b => 666 }; dd h Just another way to create an anonymous hash. Liz

Re: questions about qw<>

2015-10-13 Thread Marc Chantreux
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 05:59:04PM +0200, Elizabeth Mattijsen wrote: > > designers for having a very good reason and i'm curious: what is actually > > this good reason for such a weird behave. > > Well, for one, it is according to spec. :-) :) > But the real reason, is that you can also use t

Re: questions about qw<>

2015-10-13 Thread Elizabeth Mattijsen
> On 13 Oct 2015, at 17:15, Marc Chantreux wrote: > > hello, > > playing with <>, two questions came to my mind: > > a) why isn't it "regular" ? > >use Test; >ok < foo bar bang > ~~ List, "a list"; >ok <

questions about qw<>

2015-10-13 Thread Marc Chantreux
hello, playing with <>, two questions came to my mind: a) why isn't it "regular" ? use Test; ok < foo bar bang > ~~ List, "a list"; ok < foo bar > ~~ List, "a list"; ok < foo > ~~ List, "a list"

Re: Moar comprehension questions about Perl6

2014-09-09 Thread Timo Paulssen
Hi Alex, your questions aren't "unbelievably dumb", to start off. Getting an outsider's view is very hard if you're on the inside. Yes, Rakudo * is a distribution of a compiler and some modules we hope you'll find useful. In that way it's simila

Moar comprehension questions about Perl6

2014-09-09 Thread Alex Becker
Hi! Sorry, I have more unbelievable dumb questions about Perl6 and Rakudo. So, on http://rakudo.org/ it's stated that Rakudo Star is "a useful and usable distribution of Perl 6". To be sure: that means that Rakudo* is something like ActiveState Perl or Strawberry Perl right?

[perl6/specs] 459162: Some clarifications, after questions from jnthn++

2014-03-25 Thread GitHub
: M S22-package-format.pod Log Message: --- Some clarifications, after questions from jnthn++

Re: perl 6 beginner: regex questions

2014-02-04 Thread Moritz Lenz
Hi, On 02/01/2014 10:56 PM, infor...@hushmail.com wrote: > Hello, > > I have a few questions about the regexes. I'm new to perl 6 > and I don't know perl 5. I'm proficient with grep/sed. > > I installed Rakudo with the defaults on Linux (Mandriva 2010.1)

perl 6 beginner: regex questions

2014-02-04 Thread inform80
Hello, I have a few questions about the regexes. I'm new to perl 6 and I don't know perl 5. I'm proficient with grep/sed. I installed Rakudo with the defaults on Linux (Mandriva 2010.1) and Windows 7. I get identical output for all these questions with the two latest Rakudo ve

Re: Gather, take, newbie questions

2013-12-11 Thread Richard Hainsworth
Hello Jacinta, Perl6 code should be much simpler than what you are trying. There is no need to use a state variable or a binding. I'm not sure how to use a maximum in the sequence, so I didn't. The Fibonacci sequence can be generated in a single line as 1, 1, &[+] ... * or as 1, 1, *+* ...

Re: Gather, take, newbie questions

2013-12-11 Thread Larry Wall
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 02:05:35PM +1100, Jacinta Richardson wrote: :sub MAIN($terms = 35, $maximum = 4_000_000) { : my @sequence = gather for fibonacci($maximum) -> $number { : state $count = 0; : take $number if $number < $maximum && $count++ < $terms; :

Re: Gather, take, newbie questions

2013-12-11 Thread David Warring
Hi Jacinta, I get a bit further with my build of Perl 6, which at least runs: % perl6 fib.pl 0 Are you maybe using an old Perl6? Try: % perl6 -e'say $*PERL' ("name" => "rakudo", "compiler" => {"name" => "rakudo", "ver" => "2013.11-22-g262e600", "release-number" => "", "build-date" => "2013-12-0

Gather, take, newbie questions

2013-12-11 Thread Jacinta Richardson
G'day folk, I'm slowing working through some basic exercises to get a feel for Perl 6. I'm currently trying to create a fibonacci sequence stopping at a maximum value, or a set number of terms... I've written this: use v6; sub MAIN($terms = 35, $maximum = 4_000_000) { my @seq

[perl6/specs] 9abc8f: [questions] answer Q2 by pmichaud++

2012-06-29 Thread GitHub
questions.txt Log Message: --- [questions] answer Q2 by pmichaud++

Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-06 Thread Steffen Schwigon
"Stefan Hornburg (Racke)" writes: > Maybe we should focus on porting Perl 5 modules With the current size of CPAN this is IMHO not the way to go. A Perl5 embedding interface is more promising. Pugs had that in a not perfect but usable state. Not sure about Rakudo. An embedded Perl5 in Rakudo

Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-06 Thread Steffen Schwigon
Daniel Carrera writes: > If they are critics to begin with, the size of the test suite will > not impress them. They could just as well conclude that Perl 6 must > have a million corner cases and gotchas that have to be tested. I > have never seen a language review that I thought was worth reading

Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-06 Thread Steffen Schwigon
Wendell Hatcher writes: > My point is make it a production release so peeps can push it to the > powers that be in the corporate world. Valid point. Will http://packages.debian.org/experimental/rakudo be continued? > This has been the longest production build in test in the history of > mankind

Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-06 Thread Daniel Carrera
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Guy Hulbert wrote: > On Thu, 2011-06-01 at 14:53 +0100, Daniel Carrera wrote: >> I would be very interested to see something that allowed Rakudo to >> talk to Fortran 95. >> >> I am going to use Fortran 95 for my thesis work, and maybe I could >> write a module to g

Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-06 Thread Guy Hulbert
On Thu, 2011-06-01 at 14:53 +0100, Daniel Carrera wrote: > I would be very interested to see something that allowed Rakudo to > talk to Fortran 95. > > I am going to use Fortran 95 for my thesis work, and maybe I could > write a module to give Rakudo a basic array language. Nothing fancy Is there

Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-06 Thread Daniel Carrera
I would be very interested to see something that allowed Rakudo to talk to Fortran 95. I am going to use Fortran 95 for my thesis work, and maybe I could write a module to give Rakudo a basic array language. Nothing fancy like MATLAB, NumPy or PDL, but enough to try out algorithms and prototype id

Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-06 Thread Stefan Hornburg (Racke)
On 01/05/2011 02:51 PM, Gabor Szabo wrote: Let me just give a probably totally irrelevant comment here. I think most of the open source projects have been in use by many people in production environment before the project had a "production release". I guess there are still places that think Linux

Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-05 Thread Gabor Szabo
Let me just give a probably totally irrelevant comment here. I think most of the open source projects have been in use by many people in production environment before the project had a "production release". I guess there are still places that think Linux is not good for their production environment

Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-05 Thread Guy Hulbert
On Wed, 2011-05-01 at 21:04 +0300, Richard Hainsworth wrote: > Guy, > > Your idea is actually exactly what I was suggesting when I said > 'example > programs'. What convinced me that rakudo is worth pursuing was the 3-line dice class with a roll() method. What I do now is 'use fields' and build

Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-05 Thread Guy Hulbert
On Wed, 2011-05-01 at 20:51 +0300, Richard Hainsworth wrote: > 'serious project' ??? > > For some 'serious' people, Perl6 is a 'serious project'. Concepts of > 'serious' differ amongst reasonable people. Not a problem if your > 'serious' aint my 'serious'. For programming languages, there are

Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-05 Thread Richard Hainsworth
Guy, Your idea is actually exactly what I was suggesting when I said 'example programs'. I think there are/were perl6 versions for the shootout problems. I am not sure what happened to them. Getting benchmarking will be interesting. Regards, Richard On 01/05/11 20:15, Guy Hulbert wrote:

Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-05 Thread Richard Hainsworth
'serious project' ??? For some 'serious' people, Perl6 is a 'serious project'. Concepts of 'serious' differ amongst reasonable people. Not a problem if your 'serious' aint my 'serious'. As an aside, it took 358 years to prove Fermat's Last Theorem. Wiles - who proved it - shut himself away f

Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-05 Thread Daniel Carrera
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Richard Hainsworth wrote: > From what Larry has already said, I dont think he ever will say the Perl 6 > spec is ready. The spec and the language are evolving together. That is what > the waterfall and attractor stuff was all about. Not relevant. The question is wh

Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-05 Thread Guy Hulbert
On Wed, 2011-05-01 at 10:24 -0700, Wendell Hatcher wrote: > I have to agree I don't think this is a serious project. In-fact at > this point it seems like a bunch of friends working on a hobby in > their basement. I'm not sure I said anything to agree with. You seem to misinterpret my intention.

Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-05 Thread Wendell Hatcher
I have to agree I don't think this is a serious project. In-fact at this point it seems like a bunch of friends working on a hobby in their basement. Sent from my iPhone Wendell Hatcher wendell_hatc...@comcast.net 303-520-7554 Blogsite: http://thoughtsofaperlprogrammer.typepad.com/blog On Jan

Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-05 Thread Richard Hainsworth
On 01/05/11 19:48, Daniel Carrera wrote: On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Richard Hainsworth wrote: It is blindingly obvious that the majority of language users, ..., will only start to use a language when it is recommended by 'those in authority'... I think the issue of a version number is i

Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-05 Thread Guy Hulbert
On Wed, 2011-05-01 at 18:02 +0100, Jan Ingvoldstad wrote: > On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 17:30, Guy Hulbert wrote: > > > Rakudo is not listed here: > > http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/ > > Fixing that is something I'd like to help with. > > > > Note that go was listed *before* it was announced. That

Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-05 Thread Wendell Hatcher
, at 6:13 AM, "Anderson, Jim" >> wrote: >> >>> Hear! Hear! >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Daniel Carrera [mailto:dcarr...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 7:15 AM >>> To: Richard Hainsw

Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-05 Thread Jan Ingvoldstad
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 17:30, Guy Hulbert wrote: > Rakudo is not listed here: > http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/ > Fixing that is something I'd like to help with. > > Note that go was listed *before* it was announced. That tells me that > the go authors are, in some small way, more serious abo

Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-05 Thread Daniel Carrera
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Richard Hainsworth wrote: > It is blindingly obvious that the majority of language users, ..., will only > start to use a language > when it is recommended by 'those in authority'... > > I think the issue of a version number is irrelevant 1) You have more or less

Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-05 Thread Richard Hainsworth
! Hear! -Original Message- From: Daniel Carrera [mailto:dcarr...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 7:15 AM To: Richard Hainsworth Cc: perl6-us...@perl.org Subject: Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl Although everything you said is technically true, I

Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-05 Thread Guy Hulbert
On Wed, 2011-05-01 at 19:05 +0300, Richard Hainsworth wrote: > It seems you may have concluded something not intended. I was unsurprised at the reaction to your post. [snip] > I think the issue of a version number is irrelevant, given the vested Clearly you were wrong. [snip] > For my part, I

Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-05 Thread Richard Hainsworth
essage- From: Daniel Carrera [mailto:dcarr...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 7:15 AM To: Richard Hainsworth Cc: perl6-us...@perl.org Subject: Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl Although everything you said is technically true, I must point out that wit

Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-05 Thread Wendell Hatcher
erl.org > Subject: Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl > > Although everything you said is technically true, I must point out > that without a definitive release, potential users will tend to avoid > the software. For people not involved in the process (i.e

Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-05 Thread Daniel Carrera
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Anderson, Jim wrote: > Hear! Hear! Uhmm... sorry if I looked angry or whatever. Email is at times a poor medium of communication because you lose details like tone of voice and body language. I just wanted to highlight something that I think is relevant to anyone wh

RE: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-05 Thread Anderson, Jim
Hear! Hear! -Original Message- From: Daniel Carrera [mailto:dcarr...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 7:15 AM To: Richard Hainsworth Cc: perl6-us...@perl.org Subject: Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl Although everything you said is technically

Re: Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-05 Thread Daniel Carrera
Pugs was still being actively developed. > He pointed to the difference between the waterfall model and the strange > attractor model for software development, perl6 progress being measured > using the strange attractor model. > > Many of the questions and answers about a 'produc

Production Release - was Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-05 Thread Richard Hainsworth
l6 progress being measured using the strange attractor model. Many of the questions and answers about a 'production release' imply the waterfall model. The concept here is that some one 'in authority' sets criteria which define 'finished'. Once the software / l

Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-03 Thread Daniel Carrera
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 8:27 AM, Gabor Szabo wrote: >> So I'd change that to "after a production release of a Perl 6 compiler" > > I think I'll include both answers. > If we learn that people desperately need a 1.0 numbering then the > Rakudo developers > can make up their mind to either change the

Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-03 Thread Daniel Carrera
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Gabor Szabo wrote: > I think it largely depends on who do you ask and I believe there will > be a huge gap between private people and company people. Or between > people who are involved in open source development and in-house developers. I don't see the open sour

Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-02 Thread Gabor Szabo
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 2:26 AM, Chas. Owens wrote: > On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 21:39, Xue, Brian wrote: >> I want to adding one more answer about what are people waiting for before >> they >> start using Perl 6. >> >> There hasn't an official release of PERL6.0, just Rakudo. I'm afraid of >> Raku

Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-02 Thread Gabor Szabo
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Moritz Lenz wrote: > On 01/01/2011 10:15 AM, Gabor Szabo wrote: >> So for example: >> >> I'll start learning Perl 6  (select one or more that fits your opinion) >> *) when Larry Wall declares that Perl 6.0 is ready >> *) after Rakudo 1.0 is released > > Given the cu

Re: Questions for Survey about Perl

2011-01-02 Thread Gabor Szabo
was each of the above declared a "production release"; >    was it concurrent with the release, or some time afterwards? I think it largely depends on who do you ask and I believe there will be a huge gap between private people and company people. Or between people who are in

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