Re: (COPY) Re: Project management page

2000-09-14 Thread Steve Fink
So you're saying that it's ok if people wouldn't want to upgrade on the basis of one of the improvements, but rather that the aggregation of all of them had damn well better be worth upgrading for. Fair enough. But hey, people won't even upgrade to 5.6; when someone asks me "why should I upgrade t

Re: (COPY) Re: Project management page

2000-09-14 Thread Nathan Torkington
Steve Fink writes: > I just don't know if I'd bother to switch to Perl6 for a 10% speedup Speed will *not* be the only reason to switch to perl6. It will (might) have: - bytecode compilation - compile-time checking - a rational stdlib - vastly simpler extension mechanism You can focus on an

Re: (COPY) Re: Project management page

2000-09-14 Thread Steve Fink
Nathan Torkington wrote: > > And there's no law that says some areas can't run *faster* than 10%. "...where all the children are above average.". 10% across the board demands that, unless you overclock by 10%. :-) > But I think we have to be realistic. We all want a programming > language that

Re: Project management page

2000-09-14 Thread Nathan Torkington
Steve Fink writes: > I just wonder if a 10% improvement on some benchmark is worth writing a > new language for. A 100% improvement on a single "representative > real-world task" would be a lot more persuasive. But much more > convincing would be allowing perl to be embedded as a scripting languag

Re: Project management page

2000-09-14 Thread Steve Fink
> > > 1.Benchmarks of text processing programs show improved performance on > > perl6 over perl5. > > > > Yes, but how much improved? Is 50% in everyone's minds, or is 10% > > enough? How much improvement is feasible? > > As a first approximation to what is realistic, I'm going to put 10%

Re: Project management page

2000-09-12 Thread Nathan Torkington
J. David Blackstone writes: > I think the success criteria on http://dev.perl.org/pm/pos.html > should be more measurable. You're right. I was happy to have simply avoided "better" and "good", the classic unmeasurable words :-) I kept "faster" and "easier", two similarly unpinnable words, th

Re: Project management page

2000-09-11 Thread Russ Allbery
J David Blackstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think the success criteria on http://dev.perl.org/pm/pos.html > should be more measurable. >> SUCCESS CRITERIA >> 1. Benchmarks of text processing programs show improved performance on > perl6 over perl5. > Yes, but how much improved? Is

Project management page

2000-09-11 Thread J. David Blackstone
I think the success criteria on http://dev.perl.org/pm/pos.html should be more measurable. > SUCCESS CRITERIA > 1.Benchmarks of text processing programs show improved performance on perl6 over perl5. Yes, but how much improved? Is 50% in everyone's minds, or is 10% enough? How much i