Re: Parallelism and Concurrency was Re: Ideas for a (nntp: message (nntp: message 18 of 20) 14 of 20) "Object-Belongs-to-Thread" threading model

2010-05-18 Thread nigelsandever
On Tue, 18 May 2010 11:41:08 +0100, Daniel Ruoso wrote: Em Dom, 2010-05-16 às 19:34 +0100, nigelsande...@btconnect.com escreveu: Interoperability with Perl 5 and is reference counting should not be a high priority in the decision making process for defining the Perl 6 concurrency model. I

Re: Parallelism and Concurrency was Re: Ideas for a (nntp: message (nntp: message 18 of 20) 14 of 20) "Object-Belongs-to-Thread" threading model

2010-05-18 Thread nigelsandever
On Tue, 18 May 2010 11:39:04 +0100, Daniel Ruoso wrote: This is the point I was trying to address, actually. Having *only* explicitly shared variables makes it very cumbersome to write threaded code, specially because explicitly shared variables have a lot of restrictions on what they can be (t

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2010-05-18 Thread nigelsandever
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2010-05-18 Thread nigelsandever
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Re: Parallelism and Concurrency was Re: Ideas for a"Object-Belongs-to-Thread" (nntp: message 4 of 20) threading model (nntp: message 20 of 20 -lastone!-)

2010-05-17 Thread nigelsandever
On Mon, 17 May 2010 17:20:28 +0100, Dave Whipp - d...@dave.whipp.name <+nntp+browseruk+a2ac8a2dcb.dpuu#dave.whipp.n...@spamgourmet.com> wrote: nigelsande...@btconnect.com wrote: There are very few algorithms that actually benefit from using even low hundreds of threads, let alone thousands.

Re: Parallelism and Concurrency was Re: Ideas for a "Object-Belongs-to-Thread" threading model (nntp: message 20 of 20 -last one!-)

2010-05-16 Thread nigelsandever
On Fri, 14 May 2010 17:35:20 +0100, B. Estrade - estr...@gmail.com <+nntp+browseruk+c4c81fb0fa.estrabd#gmail@spamgourmet.com> wrote: The future is indeed multicore - or, rather, *many-core. What this means is that however the hardware jockeys have to strap them together on a single node, w

Re: Parallelism and Concurrency was Re: Ideas for a (nntp: message (nntp: message 18 of 20) 14 of 20) "Object-Belongs-to-Thread" threading model

2010-05-16 Thread nigelsandever
On Fri, 14 May 2010 20:00:01 +0100, Daniel Ruoso - dan...@ruoso.com <+nntp+browseruk+d52dbf78bb.daniel#ruoso@spamgourmet.com> wrote: Em Sex, 2010-05-14 às 18:13 +0100, nigelsande...@btconnect.com escreveu: The point I(we)'ve been trying to make is that once you have a reentrant interprete

Re: Parallelism and Concurrency was Re: Ideas for a (nntp: message 14 of 20) "Object-Belongs-to-Thread" threading model

2010-05-14 Thread nigelsandever
On Fri, 14 May 2010 15:58:00 +0100, Daniel Ruoso - dan...@ruoso.com <+nntp+browseruk+d52dbf78bb.daniel#ruoso@spamgourmet.com> wrote: Em Sex, 2010-05-14 às 15:48 +0400, Richard Hainsworth escreveu: The less, or rather the more abstract, the specification in perl6, the less likely perl6 wil

Re: Ideas for a "Object-Belongs-to-Thread" threading model (nntp: message 9 of 20)

2010-05-14 Thread nigelsandever
On Fri, 14 May 2010 15:05:44 +0100, B. Estrade wrote: On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 12:27:18PM +0100, nigelsande...@btconnect.com wrote: On Fri, 14 May 2010 10:01:41 +0100, Ruud H.G. van Tol - rv...@isolution.nl <+nntp+browseruk+014f2ed3f9.rvtol#isolution...@spamgourmet.com> wrote: > >The suppo

Re: Ideas for a "Object-Belongs-to-Thread" threading model (nntp: message 9 of 20)

2010-05-14 Thread nigelsandever
On Fri, 14 May 2010 10:01:41 +0100, Ruud H.G. van Tol - rv...@isolution.nl <+nntp+browseruk+014f2ed3f9.rvtol#isolution...@spamgourmet.com> wrote: The support of threading should be completely optional. The threading support should not be active by default. I'd like to understand why you

Re: Ideas for a "Object-Belongs-to-Thread" threading model (nntp: message 5 of 20)

2010-05-13 Thread nigelsandever
This should be a reply to Daniel Ruoso's post above, but I cannot persuade my nntp reader to reply to a post made before I subscribed here. Sorry On Wed, 12 May 2010 14:16:35 +0100, Daniel Ruoso wrote: I have 3 main problems with your thinking. 1: You are conflating two fundamentally differe

Re: [CVS ci] PLATFORMS

2004-02-27 Thread nigelsandever
27/02/2004 10:30:22, Leopold Toetsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Compiler version: >> >> Microsoft (R) 32-bit C/C++ Standard Compiler Version 13.00.9466 for 80x86 > >Thanks update. > > >> t\op\00ff-dos.t 255 65280 24 200.00% 1-2 > >Strange > I've sent

Re: [CVS ci] PLATFORMS

2004-02-26 Thread nigelsandever
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 09:29:59 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leopold Toetsch) wrote: > Leopold Toetsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Please help me fill out the blanks by sending or committing patches. > > Please make sure to have the latest and best Parrot from CVS. Here (and attached) is summary of

UNIMPORTANT in the scheme of things.

2004-02-25 Thread nigelsandever
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:30:24 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leopold Toetsch) wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (via RT) wrote: > > > The following corrects my poor memory handling > > pointed out by mrnobo1024 at > > > > news://nntp.perl.org/perl.perl6.internals/21454 > > Thanks, applied, > leo > Leo,

Various newbie questions.

2004-02-24 Thread nigelsandever
All I'm struggling to get up to speed on contributing to parrot and I have various questions: 1) Is there any way past this problem? cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs/public co parrot ... ... U parrot/ops/var.ops cvs server: Updating parrot/pf U parrot/pf/pf_ite

Re: Threads... last call

2004-01-23 Thread nigelsandever
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:24:30 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Sugalski) wrote: > If you're accessing shared data, it has > to be locked. There's no getting around that. The only way to reduce > locking overhead is to reduce the amount of data that needs locking. > One slight modification I would m

How does perl handle HLL C?

2004-01-22 Thread nigelsandever
The subject says it all. As parrot is designed to be targetted by many langauges, how will it handle 'eval' opcodes for those different languages? Shell out to a seperate process? Nigel.

Re: Start of thread proposal

2004-01-21 Thread nigelsandever
21/01/2004 02:12:09, Gordon Henriksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is false. The mark phase will still need to run over the entire > process, else it cannot detect all references into the pool. > If by reference, you mean address, then that is true. If when a reference is taken, the addres

Re: Start of thread proposal

2004-01-20 Thread nigelsandever
20/01/2004 13:29:35, Gordon Henriksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Monday, January 19, 2004, at 07:58 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] >wrote: > >> Is there any likelyhood that memory allocation will be hidden behind >> macros at two levels: >> - ALLOCPOOL() for allocating large chunks of memory (ppols) t

Re: Start of thread proposal

2004-01-20 Thread nigelsandever
> =item MUTEX > > This is a low level, under the hood, not exposed to users, thing that > can be locked. They're non-recursive, non-read/write, exclusive > things. When a thread gets a mutex, any other attempt to get that > mutex will block until the owning thread releases the mutex. The > platfor

Re: [FYI] Win32 SFU

2004-01-17 Thread nigelsandever
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 08:09:58 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leopold Toetsch) wrote: > I don't know, if we should depend on that, but it would definitely help. > Could some Windows guys have a look at: > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/ > > > [Interoperability. Integration. Extensibility.] > Wind