Re: Fwd: FOSDEM - perl 6 critic

2011-02-22 Thread Moritz Lenz
On 02/23/2011 02:10 AM, Frank S Fejes III wrote: > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Moritz Lenz wrote: > >> We can't be everybody's darling, as much as we would love to. > > That's a fair statement, however do consider that perl5 is still a > darling for many system administrators and command-l

Re: Fwd: FOSDEM - perl 6 critic

2011-02-22 Thread Gabor Szabo
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 3:10 AM, Frank S Fejes III wrote: > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Moritz Lenz wrote: > >> We can't be everybody's darling, as much as we would love to. > > That's a fair statement, however ... Let me just link to the recent blog post of chromatic: http://www.modernper

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2011-02-22 Thread noreply
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Re: Fwd: FOSDEM - perl 6 critic

2011-02-22 Thread Frank S Fejes III
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Moritz Lenz wrote: > We can't be everybody's darling, as much as we would love to. That's a fair statement, however do consider that perl5 is still a darling for many system administrators and command-line warriors who have long since left awk and sed far behind

RE: FOSDEM - perl 6 critic

2011-02-22 Thread Guy Hulbert
On Tue, 2011-22-02 at 11:48 -0500, Mason Kramer wrote: > Maybe we just need to lay off of the cute one liners and * operator abuse > when we demo Perl 6. My guess is that those one liners are not nearly as > impressive to most workaday coders as the type system, MMD, grammars, > private data, and

RE: FOSDEM - perl 6 critic

2011-02-22 Thread Mason Kramer
I don't grant the premise. Perl 6 is less complex than Perl 5. Number of operators is not remotely a measure of complexity. Neither is "size of the interpreter at runtime". "Number of things that the language does for you in a standardized way" is actually a measure of simplicity, not complexity

Re: Fwd: FOSDEM - perl 6 critic

2011-02-22 Thread Moritz Lenz
Am 22.02.2011 16:57, schrieb Gabor Szabo: He, as a sysadmin would like to do the small tasks in a relatively small language. He would like to make sure the modules/applications he will download and will have to support are in such a relatively small language. Whatever Perl 6 will turn out to be

Re: Fwd: FOSDEM - perl 6 critic

2011-02-22 Thread Guy Hulbert
On Tue, 2011-22-02 at 17:35 +0100, Moritz Lenz wrote: > Am 22.02.2011 17:14, schrieb Guy Hulbert: > > On Tue, 2011-22-02 at 17:57 +0200, Gabor Szabo wrote: > >> For a better comparison that takes in account the features as well see > >> http://www.modernperlbooks.com/mt/2010/07/an-accurate-comparis

Re: Fwd: FOSDEM - perl 6 critic

2011-02-22 Thread Guy Hulbert
On Tue, 2011-22-02 at 11:28 -0500, Will Coleda wrote: > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Guy Hulbert wrote: > > On Tue, 2011-22-02 at 17:57 +0200, Gabor Szabo wrote: > >> For a better comparison that takes in account the features as well see > >> http://www.modernperlbooks.com/mt/2010/07/an-accur

Re: Fwd: FOSDEM - perl 6 critic

2011-02-22 Thread Moritz Lenz
Am 22.02.2011 17:14, schrieb Guy Hulbert: On Tue, 2011-22-02 at 17:57 +0200, Gabor Szabo wrote: For a better comparison that takes in account the features as well see http://www.modernperlbooks.com/mt/2010/07/an-accurate-comparison-of-perl-5-and-rakudo-star.html Thanks for posting this. Can I

Re: Fwd: FOSDEM - perl 6 critic

2011-02-22 Thread Will Coleda
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Guy Hulbert wrote: > On Tue, 2011-22-02 at 17:57 +0200, Gabor Szabo wrote: >> For a better comparison that takes in account the features as well see >> http://www.modernperlbooks.com/mt/2010/07/an-accurate-comparison-of-perl-5-and-rakudo-star.html > > Thanks for p

Re: Fwd: FOSDEM - perl 6 critic

2011-02-22 Thread Gabor Szabo
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Guy Hulbert wrote: > On Tue, 2011-22-02 at 17:57 +0200, Gabor Szabo wrote: >> For a better comparison that takes in account the features as well see >> http://www.modernperlbooks.com/mt/2010/07/an-accurate-comparison-of-perl-5-and-rakudo-star.html Just to clarify

Re: Fwd: FOSDEM - perl 6 critic

2011-02-22 Thread Guy Hulbert
On Tue, 2011-22-02 at 17:57 +0200, Gabor Szabo wrote: > For a better comparison that takes in account the features as well see > http://www.modernperlbooks.com/mt/2010/07/an-accurate-comparison-of-perl-5-and-rakudo-star.html Thanks for posting this. Can I infer from this article that it is *rakud

Fwd: FOSDEM - perl 6 critic

2011-02-22 Thread Gabor Szabo
hi, At FOSDEM I met Arne Wichmann who is a long time sysadmin, Debian developer and Perl user. We had a short chat in which he expressed his concerns about the complexity, the size (memory footprint) and speed of Perl 6, Without even taking in account the current memory requirements and speed of