Re: Stability domains in rakudo *

2010-03-20 Thread Larry Wall
I see little point in versioning or emulation until we have spec versions and complete test suite versions that can validate them. And I see no need to "practice" versioning before that happens; it will just slow down the drive to complete 6.0.0, and there will (I hope) be time to consider the fine

Re: Versioned Dependencies (Was: Re: Stability domains in rakudo *)

2010-03-20 Thread Daniel Ruoso
Em Sáb, 2010-03-20 às 22:23 +0300, Richard Hainsworth escreveu: > Here it is the very language that is changing. > For instance, =$fh was used to generate input from a file. Now it is > $fh.lines Note that I did mention versioned dependencies for grammar, CORE and setting. So yes, considering the

Re: perl6 compiler

2010-03-20 Thread Wendell Hatcher
Thanks Matt, I really like perl 6 and moose for that matter. :-) I feel that these implementations of truly take it into the application programmming arena. And, am hoping perl is thought of when building larger enterprise applications in the future once there is a true product

[perl #73684] [BUG] Rakudo doesn't warn about bare 'say' (but STD.pm does)

2010-03-20 Thread Carl Mäsak
# New Ticket Created by "Carl Mäsak" # Please include the string: [perl #73684] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=73684 > rakudo: say for 1..3 rakudo e759b5: OUTPUT«␤␤␤» * masak submits rakudobug std: say fo

Re: Versioned Dependencies (Was: Re: Stability domains in rakudo *)

2010-03-20 Thread chromatic
On Saturday 20 March 2010 at 12:23, Richard Hainsworth wrote: > In other words, I am suggesting a sort of mapping of the syntax of perl6 > so that stable areas can us be used, perhaps avoiding instruments that > are not yet explicitly stable. That assumes it's possible to know with sufficient c

Re: perl6 compiler

2010-03-20 Thread Wendell Hatcher
I actsully read the fact sheets in the past and want to confirm that a stable production qaulity release of perl6 is coming out this April or at the berry least the summer? Sent from my iPhone Wendell Hatcher wendell_hatc...@comcast.net 303-520-7554 Blogsite: http://thoughtsofaperlprogrammer.

[perl #73656] [BUG] A::f probably shouldn't be visible when f is an ordinary non-our sub in A in Rakudo

2010-03-20 Thread Carl Mäsak
# New Ticket Created by "Carl Mäsak" # Please include the string: [perl #73656] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=73656 > If you want to write Foo::lol you should mark the method "our" ok. But Rakudo doesn't

Re: Versioned Dependencies (Was: Re: Stability domains in rakudo *)

2010-03-20 Thread Richard Hainsworth
Not really a versioned dependencies. When a working module is updated to have new functionality, the old version continues to work. Here it is the very language that is changing. For instance, =$fh was used to generate input from a file. Now it is $fh.lines Old examples that I wrote using

Re: Versioned Dependencies (Was: Re: Stability domains in rakudo *)

2010-03-20 Thread Darren Duncan
Daniel Ruoso wrote: Em Sáb, 2010-03-20 às 12:16 +0300, Richard Hainsworth escreveu: Suppose we define a domain of stability as syntax/functionality/features that will not be changed until a milestone is reached, with the guarantee that if the language specification changes before then, backwar

[perl #66498] [BUG] Snowman, comet, regex parser, oh my!

2010-03-20 Thread Carl Mäsak via RT
rakudo: say "abc" ~~ m ☃.(.).☄ rakudo 6c8737: OUTPUT«Confused at line 11 [...] \o/ for once, Rakudo and I are confused at the same thing! :) * masak closes the infamous snowman/comet rakudobug :) pmichaud++

[perl #73680] [BUG] Typed undefined attributes aren't typed with the right undefined type object in Rakudo

2010-03-20 Thread Carl Mäsak
# New Ticket Created by "Carl Mäsak" # Please include the string: [perl #73680] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=73680 > rakudo: grammar CSV { has Str $.sep }; say CSV.new(sep => ",").sep rakudo 0bb373: OUTP

[perl #61494] Strange parsing error involving two spaces

2010-03-20 Thread Carl Mäsak via RT
This particular parsefail doesn't occur anymore in ng. Resolving ticket.

Re: [Fwd: Re: Where's the release announcement?]

2010-03-20 Thread Nuno 'smash' Carvalho
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Richard Hainsworth wrote: > Re-posting to list. > > Original Message > Subject:        Re: Where's the release announcement? > Date:   Sat, 20 Mar 2010 07:39:17 +0300 > From:   Richard Hainsworth > To:     Darren Duncan > References:     <4ba329

[perl #73658] [BUG] Rakudo won't parse a 'return' followed by a statement modifier correctly

2010-03-20 Thread Carl Mäsak
# New Ticket Created by "Carl Mäsak" # Please include the string: [perl #73658] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=73658 > rakudo: return True if 1 rakudo 9affb7: OUTPUT«Missing block at line 11, near ""[...]

[perl #73654] [BUG] Null PMC access when writing 'A::f', when either 'A' or 'f' doesn't exist in Rakudo

2010-03-20 Thread Carl Mäsak
# New Ticket Created by "Carl Mäsak" # Please include the string: [perl #73654] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=73654 > rakudo: A::f # :) rakudo 1e9aa0: OUTPUT«Null PMC access in invoke() * masak submits ra

Versioned Dependencies (Was: Re: Stability domains in rakudo *)

2010-03-20 Thread Daniel Ruoso
Em Sáb, 2010-03-20 às 12:16 +0300, Richard Hainsworth escreveu: > Suppose we define a domain of stability as syntax/functionality/features > that will not be changed until a milestone is reached, with the > guarantee that if the language specification changes before then, > backwards compatibili

Re: [perl #71064] [BUG] Declaring a postcircumfix:<{ }> method in a class causes ordinary hash accesses to be dispatched as that method

2010-03-20 Thread Moritz Lenz
Carl MXXsak (via RT) wrote: > # New Ticket Created by "Carl Mäsak" > # Please include the string: [perl #71064] > # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. > # http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=71064 > > > > rakudo: class A { method postcircumfix:<{ }>(

Re: [perl #65444] Can't access Perl 6 variables from within PIR closures in regexes in Rakudo

2010-03-20 Thread Moritz Lenz
Carl MXXsak (via RT) wrote: > # New Ticket Created by "Carl Mäsak" > # Please include the string: [perl #65444] > # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. > # http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=65444 > > > > rakudo: my $x = "OH HAI"; "foo" ~~ / ^ foo

Re: [perl #69152] perl6 binary sucks up all available memory

2010-03-20 Thread Moritz Lenz
Torsten Blix (via RT) wrote: > # New Ticket Created by Torsten Blix > # Please include the string: [perl #69152] > # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. > # http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=69152 > > > > Rakudo git version > a9ff309e63f1df4f271847

Re: [perl #64820] Double

2010-03-20 Thread Moritz Lenz
Carl MXXsak (via RT) wrote: > # New Ticket Created by "Carl Mäsak" > # Please include the string: [perl #64820] > # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. > # http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=64820 > > > > rakudo: .say for $_ for , > rakudo 341f44

Re: [perl #68726] [BUG] my Array $x gives C3 linearization: ambiguous hierarchy error

2010-03-20 Thread Moritz Lenz
Ron Schmidt (via RT) wrote: > # New Ticket Created by Ron Schmidt > # Please include the string: [perl #68726] > # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. > # http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=68726 > > > > From IRC: (http://irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2

Re: [perl #66996] [BUG] Null PMC access when Rakudo tries to parse :colonpair[] with empty list

2010-03-20 Thread Moritz Lenz
Carl MXXsak (via RT) wrote: > # New Ticket Created by "Carl Mäsak" > # Please include the string: [perl #66996] > # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. > # http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=66996 > > > > rakudo: my $a = :x[] > rakudo 6c43f9: OUTPUT

Re: [perl #68652] [BUG] Less than awesome error message when passing a bareword as a role parameter in Rakudo

2010-03-20 Thread Moritz Lenz
Carl MXXsak (via RT) wrote: > # New Ticket Created by "Carl Mäsak" > # Please include the string: [perl #68652] > # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. > # http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=68652 > > > > rakudo: role Self[Self] {} > rakudo 0d4fe0:

Re: [perl #68168] Null PMC/Closures in rules not working

2010-03-20 Thread Moritz Lenz
Closures in regexes now work in Rakudo, and are tested in S05-metachars/closure.t.

[Fwd: Re: Where's the release announcement?]

2010-03-20 Thread Richard Hainsworth
Re-posting to list. Original Message Subject:Re: Where's the release announcement? Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 07:39:17 +0300 From: Richard Hainsworth To: Darren Duncan References: <4ba329a0.7030...@rusrating.ru> <4ba32f1e.70...@darrenduncan.net> <4ba3c76e.1050

Stability domains in rakudo *

2010-03-20 Thread Richard Hainsworth
I know PM does not like the word 'stability' for language development, and I have just posted a response to Wendell Hatcher's question justifying Patrick's approach. However, some other questions arose when I was considering 'usability', which Patrick sets as a goal for Rakudo *, as opposed fo

Re: perl6 compiler

2010-03-20 Thread Richard Hainsworth
I too re-read PM's journal. Note his explicit desire to avoid 'stability' as a goal at this stage for rakudo because of its imprecision. We often use words that have different shades of meanings for different people/situations, eg., what is a 'short' time? Consider how a child might answer, as