Fwd: More flexible POD

2009-08-10 Thread Matthew Walton
Woops - forgot to reply all (I'm on an irritating mixture of lists which set reply-to and don't, and I never remember which is which). Sorry! -- Forwarded message -- From: Matthew Walton Date: Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 7:10 AM Subject: Re: More flexible POD To: Jon Lang I'm not sur

Re: Rukudo-Star => Rakudo-lite?

2009-08-10 Thread raiph mellor
> Rakudo Zengi would be the most (in)appropriate, I think. Why do I get the sense that some in the community are suffering siege mentality? ;) I had thought of things like Zen, Zero, Catalyst, etc. But I love * | Star | Whatever. I love: o The word Star, regardless of its connection with Perl

Re: Embedded comments: two proposed solutions to the comment-whole-lines problem

2009-08-10 Thread Jon Lang
smuj wrote: > Jon Lang wrote: >> Here's a radical notion: use something other than '#' to initiate an >> inline comment. >> > [snippage] > > Or maybe just don't allow "embedded" comments unless they are actually > "embedded", i.e. if a line starts with a # (ignoring leading whitespace) > then it's

Re: Embedded comments: two proposed solutions to the comment-whole-lines problem

2009-08-10 Thread smuj
Jon Lang wrote: smuj wrote: smuj wrote: Jon Lang wrote: ... the biggest potential stumbling block for this would be the existence of a double-bracket that sees frequent use at the start of a line. Query: does '<<' count as a double bracket, or as a single bracket (since it's equivalent to '«'

Re: Rukudo-Star => Rakudo-lite?

2009-08-10 Thread Larry Wall
Rakudo Zengi would be the most (in)appropriate, I think. Larry

Re: Embedded comments: two proposed solutions to the comment-whole-lines problem

2009-08-10 Thread Jon Lang
Darren Duncan wrote: > Still, I like the idea of #...# also being supported from the point of > symmetry with '...' and "..." also being supported, not that this is > necessary. This is mutually exclusive with the practice of commenting out a bunch of lines by prepending them with '#'. -- Jonath

Re: Embedded comments: two proposed solutions to the comment-whole-lines problem

2009-08-10 Thread Jon Lang
smuj wrote: > smuj wrote: >> Jon Lang wrote: >>> ... the biggest potential stumbling block for this >>> would be the existence of a double-bracket that sees frequent use at >>> the start of a line.  Query: does '<<' count as a double bracket, or >>> as a single bracket (since it's equivalent to '«'

Re: Embedded comments: two proposed solutions to the comment-whole-lines problem

2009-08-10 Thread Darren Duncan
Jon Lang wrote: On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Darren Duncan wrote: Personally, I think that comments should have trailing # as well as leading ones, so they are more like strings in that the same character is used to mark both ends. You mean like the following? q[quoted text] qq(in

Re: Rukudo-Star => Rakudo-lite?

2009-08-10 Thread jason switzer
Since I don't know anything about nuclear power plants, I think the BikeShed should be painted blue and called "Rakudo Whatever" or just "Rakudo". -Jason "s1n" Switzer

Re: Embedded comments: two proposed solutions to the comment-whole-lines problem

2009-08-10 Thread smuj
smuj wrote: Jon Lang wrote: On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Mark J. Reed wrote: I still like the double-bracket idea. I don't much mind the extra character; 5 characters total still beats the 7 of HTML/XML. Agreed. As I said, the biggest potential stumbling block for this would be the exist

Re: Embedded comments: two proposed solutions to the comment-whole-lines problem

2009-08-10 Thread Jon Lang
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Darren Duncan wrote: > Personally, I think that comments should have trailing # as well as leading > ones, so they are more like strings in that the same character is used to > mark both ends. You mean like the following? q[quoted text] qq(interpolated quo

Re: Embedded comments: two proposed solutions to the comment-whole-lines problem

2009-08-10 Thread Darren Duncan
As an addendum, I think it goes without saying that this is the simplest form of what I proposed: # This is a comment. # That denotes a complete comment, which could be broken over lines or not, and the rules for parsing or escaping it would be exactly the same as a character string litera

Re: Embedded comments: two proposed solutions to the comment-whole-lines problem

2009-08-10 Thread Darren Duncan
Personally, I think that comments should have trailing # as well as leading ones, so they are more like strings in that the same character is used to mark both ends. So in combination with bracketing pairs, we could for example have this: #{ This is a comment. }# That also serves to make th

More flexible POD

2009-08-10 Thread Jon Lang
Masak's Journal[1] identifies a couple of problems involving the interaction of POD with block-form classes - one in the article itself, and another in the comments that follow. The first is that a mixture of indented block-form classes and non-indented POD is visually very ugly. The second is th

[perl #68116] tests available

2009-08-10 Thread kyleha
This is an automatically generated mail to inform you that tests are now available in t/spec/S02-builtin_data_types/anon_block.t commit 649dc2cb2a29b472f30c35d88b4c3ac66e9a19f1 Author: kyle Date: Mon Aug 10 21:51:55 2009 + [t/spec] Test for RT #68116 git-svn-id: http://svn.pu

[perl #68234] tests available

2009-08-10 Thread kyleha
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Re: Embedded comments: two proposed solutions to the comment-whole-lines problem

2009-08-10 Thread smuj
Jon Lang wrote: On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Mark J. Reed wrote: I still like the double-bracket idea. I don't much mind the extra character; 5 characters total still beats the 7 of HTML/XML. Agreed. As I said, the biggest potential stumbling block for this would be the existence of a dou

Re: Embedded comments: two proposed solutions to the comment-whole-lines problem

2009-08-10 Thread Jon Lang
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Mark J. Reed wrote: > I still like the double-bracket idea. I don't much mind the extra > character; 5 characters total still beats the 7 of HTML/XML. Agreed. As I said, the biggest potential stumbling block for this would be the existence of a double-bracket that

Re: Embedded comments: two proposed solutions to the comment-whole-lines problem

2009-08-10 Thread Mark J. Reed
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Jon Lang wrote: > I'd recommend '#='; but if that > isn't already being used by pod, it should be reserved for use by pod > (and it's visually heavy). Commenting out lines that include pod will generate #= at the beginning of a line, which is tantamount to the prob

Re: Embedded comments: two proposed solutions to the comment-whole-lines problem

2009-08-10 Thread Jon Lang
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Patrick R. Michaud wrote: > I'd be fine with the ##(embedded comment solution) approach (doubling > the #'s), but it's much less visually appealing to me.  I think I'd > prefer to see a doubling of the bracketing chars instead of doubling > the #'s -- the # is visu

Re: Embedded comments: two proposed solutions to the comment-whole-lines problem

2009-08-10 Thread smuj
Patrick R. Michaud wrote: On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 06:46:34PM +0100, smuj wrote: Although I can see some minimal uses for embedded comments, I think in general the cost/benefit ratio isn't enough to warrant their existence. I could be wrong of course! :-) I'd like to know if anyone has made mu

Re: Embedded comments: two proposed solutions to the comment-whole-lines problem

2009-08-10 Thread Patrick R. Michaud
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 06:46:34PM +0100, smuj wrote: > Although I can see some minimal uses for embedded comments, I think in > general the cost/benefit ratio isn't enough to warrant their existence. > I could be wrong of course! :-) I'd like to know if anyone has made much > use of them in

Re: S05 (regex) Q:

2009-08-10 Thread Larry Wall
Modifiers like :ratchet are lexically scoped, and therefore extend into any embedded or , I think. These days if you find yourself saying "surrounding context", you should usually ask yourself whether you mean "lexical" or "dynamic", and that often indicates the direction I'll be leaning on under

Re: Embedded comments: two proposed solutions to the comment-whole-lines problem

2009-08-10 Thread smuj
Hiyas, Carl Mäsak wrote: In my post "Three things in Perl 6 that aren't so great" [0], I outline three things about Perl 6 that bug me at present. Commenter daxim made what seems to me a sensible proposal [1] for solving the third problem, "Comments in the beginning of lines": daxim (]): ] Let

[perl #68358] tests available

2009-08-10 Thread kyleha
This is an automatically generated mail to inform you that tests are now available in t/spec/S02-names/identifier.t commit 03e3b22b950c72abd52962a6283ba2b8c8a4f2cb Author: kyle Date: Mon Aug 10 16:50:36 2009 + [t/spec] Test for RT #68358 git-svn-id: http://svn.pugscode.org/p.

Embedded comments: two proposed solutions to the comment-whole-lines problem

2009-08-10 Thread Carl Mäsak
In my post "Three things in Perl 6 that aren't so great" [0], I outline three things about Perl 6 that bug me at present. Commenter daxim made what seems to me a sensible proposal [1] for solving the third problem, "Comments in the beginning of lines": daxim (]): ] Let single # be used for comment

[perl #68370] tests available

2009-08-10 Thread kyleha
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[perl #68356] [BUG] .kv problems in Rakudo

2009-08-10 Thread Patrick R. Michaud via RT
On Sun Aug 09 14:56:24 2009, moritz wrote: > It seems that the :foo[...] colonpair syntax doesn't set up the array > sufficiently non-flattening: Correct, Rakudo doesn't handle the non-paren colonpair syntaxes yet (they were recently refactored in STD.pm and haven't caught up). This ticket is rea

[perl #68350] [BUG] Anonymous scalar parameters work with STD.pm, but not with Rakudo

2009-08-10 Thread Carl Mäsak
# New Ticket Created by "Carl Mäsak" # Please include the string: [perl #68350] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=68350 > rakudo: for 1,2,3,4,5 -> $a, $? { say $a } rakudo 5c4b1b: OUTPUT«Invalid twigil used i

Parrot Bug Summary

2009-08-10 Thread Parrot Bug Summary
Parrot Bug Summary http://rt.perl.org/rt3/NoAuth/parrot/Overview.html Generated at Mon Aug 10 12:35:43 2009 GMT --- * Numbers * New Issues * Overview of Open Issues * Ticket Status By Version * Requestors with m

[perl #68370] [BUG] Null PMC access when assigning to an attribute of a type object in Rakudo

2009-08-10 Thread Carl Mäsak
# New Ticket Created by "Carl Mäsak" # Please include the string: [perl #68370] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=68370 > Rakudo a948cae: $ perl6 -e 'class A { has $!a; method foo() { $!a = 42 } }; A.foo' Null

[perl #68356] [BUG] .kv problems in Rakudo

2009-08-10 Thread Carl Mäsak
# New Ticket Created by "Carl Mäsak" # Please include the string: [perl #68356] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=68356 > rakudo: my $x = bar => [ baz => 42, sloth => 43 ]; my $y = :bar[ baz => 42, sloth => 43

Re: Rukudo-Star => Rakudo-lite?

2009-08-10 Thread Mark J. Reed
Given the Japanese behind the name Rakudo, "rakudone" looks like a question: "Rakudo, right?" Beats "rakuod", though. On 8/10/09, James Fuller wrote: > how about > > 'raku' > > then the final version could be called > > 'rakudone' > > Jim Fuller > -- Sent from my mobile device Mark J. Reed

Re: Rukudo-Star => Rakudo-lite?

2009-08-10 Thread James Fuller
how about 'raku' then the final version could be called 'rakudone' Jim Fuller

[perl #68358] [BUG] Cannot call &my in Rakudo

2009-08-10 Thread Carl Mäsak
# New Ticket Created by "Carl Mäsak" # Please include the string: [perl #68358] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=68358 > rakudo: my($a) = 5; say 'alive' rakudo 61f269: OUTPUT«alive␤» * masak submits rakudobu

[perl #68346] [BUG] The Match object returned by calling a regex directly does not have a .perl method

2009-08-10 Thread Carl Mäsak
# New Ticket Created by "Carl Mäsak" # Please include the string: [perl #68346] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=68346 > rakudo: regex foo { foo }; say foo('foo').perl rakudo 5667dc: OUTPUT«Method 'perl' not

Re: Rukudo-Star => Rakudo-lite?

2009-08-10 Thread Matthew Walton
Then you could be like TeX and have releases numbered with ever-increasing parts of an irrational number. On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Mark J. Reed wrote: > Wrong reply button... > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: "Mark J. Reed" > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:36:52 -0400 > Subj

Fwd: Rukudo-Star => Rakudo-lite?

2009-08-10 Thread Mark J. Reed
Wrong reply button... -- Forwarded message -- From: "Mark J. Reed" Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:36:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Rukudo-Star => Rakudo-lite? To: Gabor Szabo That has the same problem as lots of other themes - it puts a hard limit on the number of releases before the One Tru

Re: Rukudo-Star => Rakudo-lite?

2009-08-10 Thread Gabor Szabo
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Patrick R. Michaud wrote: > On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 04:35:42PM -0600, David Green wrote: >> On 2009-Aug-9, at 3:57 pm, Tim Bunce wrote: >>> Perhaps it's worth asking what we might call the release after that >>> one. >>> "Rakudo not-quite-so-lite"? >> >> Rakudo ** (

Re: problem with Rakudo on GitHub?

2009-08-10 Thread Offer Kaye
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Carl Mäsak wrote: > > Dunno, but I just tried that command and had no problems at all. Same here now, worked like a charm this time. Must have been a temp network problem. Thanks all, -- Offer Kaye