Re: Temporal revisited

On 2009-Feb-19, at 11:26 am, Dave Rolsky wrote: What I want to see in Perl 6 is a set of very minimal roles that can be used to provide a simply object from gmtime() and localtime(). These objects should not handle locales, proper Olson timezones, string parsing, user-defined formatting, or

Re: Temporal and purity (was: Re: IO, Trees, and Time/Date)

On 2009-Feb-19, at 4:39 pm, Martin Kealey wrote: 2. "Date isa Instant" works sensibly: anywhere that expects an Instant, you can give it a Date. (Assuming we all agree that dates start at midnight, but then we *are* talking specifically Gregorian dates.) I don't like dates just starting at

Re: Temporal changes (was: Re: r25445 - docs/Perl6/Spec/S32-setting-library)

On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Timothy S. Nelson wrote: +role Temporal::DateTime { +has Temporal::Date $!date handles ; Can't do this, I think; this would require an instance of Temporal::Date, which is a role and can't be instantiated. That's why I was using "does" instead. I don't know

Re: Perl's internal time (was: Re: r25445 - docs/Perl6/Spec/S32-setting-library)

On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Chris Dolan wrote: On Feb 19, 2009, at 10:17 PM, Timothy S. Nelson wrote: On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Larry Wall wrote: Well, leaving that rant aside, I'm still tempted to say that times in Perl 6 are TAI seconds since 2000. Standard TAI would work too. I've wondered someti

Re: Perl's internal time (was: Re: r25445 - docs/Perl6/Spec/S32-setting-library)

On Feb 19, 2009, at 10:17 PM, Timothy S. Nelson wrote: On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Larry Wall wrote: Well, leaving that rant aside, I'm still tempted to say that times in Perl 6 are TAI seconds since 2000. Standard TAI would work too. I've wondered sometimes about the idea of having a dual/moving

Re: Exegesis 7/format() question

On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: On 2009 Feb 17, at 1:54, Timothy S. Nelson wrote: Hi all. According to S29, the Perl 5 format() function is obsolete, and it says "See Exegesis 7". According to Exegesis 7, there will be a Form.pm which implements similar functionality, b

Perl's internal time (was: Re: r25445 - docs/Perl6/Spec/S32-setting-library)

On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Larry Wall wrote: Well, leaving that rant aside, I'm still tempted to say that times in Perl 6 are TAI seconds since 2000. Standard TAI would work too. I've wondered sometimes about the idea of having a dual/moving epoch. By this, I mean that you have eg. two Ints, one

Re: Exegesis 7/format() question

On 2009 Feb 17, at 1:54, Timothy S. Nelson wrote: Hi all. According to S29, the Perl 5 format() function is obsolete, and it says "See Exegesis 7". According to Exegesis 7, there will be a Form.pm which implements similar functionality, but has to be "use"d. My questions are: 1. Is

r25452 - docs/Perl6/Spec/S32-setting-library

Author: wayland Date: 2009-02-20 02:42:25 +0100 (Fri, 20 Feb 2009) New Revision: 25452 Modified: docs/Perl6/Spec/S32-setting-library/Temporal.pod Log: Minor syntax fix Modified: docs/Perl6/Spec/S32-setting-library/Temporal.pod ==

Temporal changes (was: Re: r25445 - docs/Perl6/Spec/S32-setting-library)

On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, pugs-comm...@feather.perl6.nl wrote: Author: autarch Date: 2009-02-19 19:14:48 +0100 (Thu, 19 Feb 2009) New Revision: 25445 Modified: docs/Perl6/Spec/S32-setting-library/Temporal.pod Log: This is a very drastic revision (hopefully this won't turn into a revert war ;) I

More trees and roles

On IRC, ruoso wrote: wayland, one important thing I didn't mention in the mail is that I understand that if some attribute is going to be undefined for some cases in a Role, then it doesn't belong in that role, but in a more specialized one... the good thing about roles is that they don't r

Re: r25405 - docs/Perl6/Spec/S32-setting-library

Darren Duncan wrote: Dave Rolsky wrote: It's not necessary to store each unit internally in order to get everything right, and not doing so makes some things a lot easier (though it makes other things harder ;) I prefer to make value representation simpler at the possible cost of calculation

Re: r25445 - docs/Perl6/Spec/S32-setting-library

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 05:05:32PM -0600, Dave Rolsky wrote: > On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Darren Duncan wrote: > >> As per my previous post, I recommend having both, like this: >> >> role Instant { >>has Int $.year; >>... >>has Rat $.second; >> } >> >> role DateTime is Instant where define

[perl #63350] List in item context misbehaves

# New Ticket Created by Moritz Lenz # Please include the string: [perl #63350] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=63350 > Rakudo 00e9db: .say for (1, 2, 3).item prints three lines, although it should be just o

Re: Spec reorganisation

On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Daniel Ruoso wrote: Em Qui, 2009-02-19 às 22:57 +1100, Timothy S. Nelson escreveu: Interesting. I'm happy to assume that $root is allowed to be Undefined, I think. But let me ask a question; were you to represent an unrooted tree in a computer, how would you do it

Re: Spec reorganisation

On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 22:57 +1100, Timothy S. Nelson wrote: > On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Carl Mäsak wrote: > > A tree is a graph without cycles. That's insufficient. In fact, there are a number of ways that the general concept of an acyclic graph must be constrained before you get something you can cal

Re: Temporal and purity (was: Re: IO, Trees, and Time/Date)

On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Timothy S. Nelson wrote: > On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Martin D Kealey wrote: > > Rather, let's have immutable time "values", and methods which return other > > "values" where various computations (*1) have been applied. Provide > > constructors which take the Y/M/D/h/m/s/dst_now/dst_

Re: r25445 - docs/Perl6/Spec/S32-setting-library

Dave Rolsky wrote: On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Darren Duncan wrote: So something like that. So Date and Time mean all Date|Time details, and DateTime means all details of both. And Instant means any combination of defined or not of said member attributes. And that's actually why I advocated Instan

Re: r25405 - docs/Perl6/Spec/S32-setting-library

Dave Rolsky wrote: On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Darren Duncan wrote: And which is why subsecond and whole-second *can* be combined. Appropriate separation allows better accuracy in letting people express what they mean rather than shoehorning it into a less accurate space, like DateTime.pm shoehorns

Re: [perl #53396] [BUG] Miscellaneous test failures on Windows

> > Could I ask that either the requestor or somebody else with an > appropriate system verify my results? > That one's so old I'd fogotten about it. I've been running tests over the last 9 months, so I think we can consider that closed. -- Email and shopping with the feelgood factor! 55%

[perl #63346] t/00-parrot/05-var-array.t is failing in a way "make test" doesn't catch

# New Ticket Created by Andy Lester # Please include the string: [perl #63346] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=63346 > the "ok 3" is coming out as "ok" but prove doesn't complain. my @a = (1, 2, 3); say 'ok

Re: r25445 - docs/Perl6/Spec/S32-setting-library

On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Darren Duncan wrote: As per my previous post, I recommend having both, like this: role Instant { has Int $.year; ... has Rat $.second; } role DateTime is Instant where defined $.year ... and defined $.second; role Date is Instant where defined $.year ... and

Re: r25405 - docs/Perl6/Spec/S32-setting-library

On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Darren Duncan wrote: And which is why subsecond and whole-second *can* be combined. Appropriate separation allows better accuracy in letting people express what they mean rather than shoehorning it into a less accurate space, like DateTime.pm shoehorns into Days+Seconds+N

Re: r25445 - docs/Perl6/Spec/S32-setting-library

pugs-comm...@feather.perl6.nl wrote: Author: autarch Date: 2009-02-19 19:14:48 +0100 (Thu, 19 Feb 2009) New Revision: 25445 Modified: docs/Perl6/Spec/S32-setting-library/Temporal.pod Log: This is a very drastic revision (hopefully this won't turn into a revert war ;) I agree with your chang

r25451 - docs/Perl6/Spec

Author: hinrik Date: 2009-02-19 22:37:47 +0100 (Thu, 19 Feb 2009) New Revision: 25451 Modified: docs/Perl6/Spec/S29-functions.pod Log: [S29] fix Pod errors Modified: docs/Perl6/Spec/S29-functions.pod === --- docs/Perl6/Spec/S29-fu

Re: r25405 - docs/Perl6/Spec/S32-setting-library

Timothy S. Nelson wrote: On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Darren Duncan wrote: You could make month/day into positive integers or "subtype of Int where 1..12" etc, though it isn't strictly necessary. Leave year as Int of course, since at least in the proleptic Gregorian etc you can have negatives or zero

[perl #63350] List in item context misbehaves

On Thu Feb 19 12:03:03 2009, ml...@physik.uni-wuerzburg.de wrote: > Rakudo 00e9db: > > .say for (1, 2, 3).item > > prints three lines, although it should be just one (same as for [1, 2, > 3]), see http://irclog.perlgeek.de/perl6/2009-02-19#i_924753 and below. > > There's a test for that in t/spe

Re: [perl #46821] [TODO] [Pir] Recursive calls on ResizablePMCArrays fail. Is this what we want?

On Wednesday 24 October 2007 13:52:33 Paul Cochrane wrote: > In t/src/ro.t there is the todo item: > > # XXX: should this work? > > and the related pir code: > > # three = 4 # should fail -- is that what we want > > The question is: is the behaviour encapsulated in the test actually what we > want

Re: r25402 - in docs/Perl6/Spec: . S32-setting-library

Hi, as necessary as this step is, it opens up a new task that I haven't though of before. First all the new POD files should appear in a sensible manner on L, and second there should be good and easy way to smartlink to these new documents (for example with L). pugs-co

Temporal revisited

After some discussion I made a number of drastic revisions to S32-setting-library/Temporal.pod What I want to see in Perl 6 is a set of very minimal roles that can be used to provide a simply object from gmtime() and localtime(). These objects should not handle locales, proper Olson timezones,

r25445 - docs/Perl6/Spec/S32-setting-library

Author: autarch Date: 2009-02-19 19:14:48 +0100 (Thu, 19 Feb 2009) New Revision: 25445 Modified: docs/Perl6/Spec/S32-setting-library/Temporal.pod Log: This is a very drastic revision (hopefully this won't turn into a revert war ;) Here's the changes in summary: removed all references to ...

[perl #63332] Rakudo dies when trying to inherit from two distinct classes punned from roles inheriting the same parent role

# New Ticket Created by "Carl Mäsak" # Please include the string: [perl #63332] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=63332 > what about this one? rakudo: role A {}; role B does A {}; role C does A {}; class D is

Re: Rakudo hung

Hi, ruslan usifov wrote: > On this code rakudo will hung > > sub test($test is write) > { > print $test > }; > > test(12); > > > And i think that is must be compiler error, with message Like this "can't > pass const as reference" or something else. Actually it should complain about 'is wr

[perl #63338] 'undef min 100' gives mmd failure in Rakudo

# New Ticket Created by "Carl Mäsak" # Please include the string: [perl #63338] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=63338 > rakudo: undef min 100 rakudo 543e22: OUTPUT«Multiple Dispatch: No suitable candidate f

[perl #63330] Diamond role inheritance is broken in Rakudo

# New Ticket Created by "Carl Mäsak" # Please include the string: [perl #63330] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=63330 > I know. let's do diamonds! rakudo: role A { method foo { say "OH HAI" } }; role B does

Re: [perl #63306] [**] has the wrong associativity in Rakudo

Hi, Carl MXXsak (via RT) wrote: > # New Ticket Created by "Carl Mäsak" > # Please include the string: [perl #63306] > # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. > # http://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=63306 > > > > pugs: say [**] 2, 3, 4 > pugs: OUTPUT«2

Temporal and purity (was: Re: IO, Trees, and Time/Date)

Just to clear up ahead of time, the consensus both here and on IRC seemed to be that in the core, we put a basic Temporal::Instant object that about powerful enough to deal with: - localtime/gmtime functionality - ctime, mtime, etc, in stat() - nanoseconds or whatever needed f

Re: Spec reorganisation

Em Qui, 2009-02-19 às 22:57 +1100, Timothy S. Nelson escreveu: > Interesting. I'm happy to assume that $root is allowed to be > Undefined, I think. But let me ask a question; were you to represent an > unrooted tree in a computer, how would you do it so that, if you had to look > around

Re: r25405 - docs/Perl6/Spec/S32-setting-library

On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Darren Duncan wrote: +role Temporal::Date { + has Int $.year; + has Int $.month; + has Int $.day; # Day of month + has Int $.dayofweek; You could make month/day into positive integers or "subtype of Int where 1..12" etc, though it isn't strictly

Re: r25402 - in docs/Perl6/Spec: . S32-setting-library

On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Moritz Lenz wrote: Hi, as necessary as this step is, it opens up a new task that I haven't though of before. First all the new POD files should appear in a sensible manner on L, and second there should be good and easy way to smartlink to these n

Re: Spec reorganisation

On Thu, 19 Feb 2009, Carl Mäsak wrote: Timothy (>), Moritz (>>): Speaking of Tree, let me quote from IRC: 09:23 < masak> it's a bit unfortunate that the identifier 'Tree' is now squatted by an internal class in Perl 6, which is not general enough to reprenest an arbit

Re: r25405 - docs/Perl6/Spec/S32-setting-library

pugs-comm...@feather.perl6.nl wrote: Author: wayland Date: 2009-02-19 08:47:26 +0100 (Thu, 19 Feb 2009) New Revision: 25405 Modified: docs/Perl6/Spec/S32-setting-library/Temporal.pod Log: Improved Temporal (previously DateTime) stuff a bit Okay, so I have a few specific suggestions ... And

Re: r25402 - in docs/Perl6/Spec: . S32-setting-library

Darren Duncan wrote: Presumably the other enhancements we discussed like using the 'Instant' name will follow soon. Well, I spoke too quickly; its already done with r25405; good start there. -- Darren Duncan