Re: apo 2

2001-05-03 Thread Larry Wall
David L. Nicol writes: : I am going to miss doublequoting being the default quoting for : here strings. I find that to be a very nice optimization and : would like to know more about the reasoning behind taking it : away. I worry that official standard p6 will be more difficult : to use than off

Re: apo 2

2001-05-03 Thread Edward Peschko
On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 10:14:47PM -0500, David L. Nicol wrote: > > I am going to miss doublequoting being the default quoting for > here strings. I find that to be a very nice optimization and > would like to know more about the reasoning behind taking it > away. I worry that official standard

apo 2

2001-05-03 Thread David L. Nicol
I am going to miss doublequoting being the default quoting for here strings. I find that to be a very nice optimization and would like to know more about the reasoning behind taking it away. I worry that official standard p6 will be more difficult to use than official standard p5. --

Re: Please make "last" work in "grep"

2001-05-03 Thread David L. Nicol
> > It also reminds me of mjd's mention of: my($first) = sort {...} @list; > > being O(n) if Perl were really Lazy. > > But it would need a completely different algorithm. Which is not too > bad. And even > > my ($first, $second, $third) = sort {...} @list; > > is kind-of plausible. So

Re: .NET

2001-05-03 Thread John Barnette
Dave Storrs said: > On 3 May 2001, Ilya Martynov wrote: > > >> You can serialize/deserilize object with Storable > > >> > > >> $foo = new Bar > > >> store_fd $foo, \*SOCKET; > > >> > > >> and on the other end > > >> > > >> $foo = retrieve_fd \*SOCKET; > > >> $foo->bar; > > >> > > >> It will work i

Apocalypse 2 is up

2001-05-03 Thread Nathan Torkington
Larry's Second Apocalypse (that's part 2 of his travels through the Camel writing about what will change in perl 6) is on the web at: http://www.perl.com/ Enjoy! Nat

Re: sandboxing

2001-05-03 Thread Dan Brian
> The biggest problem I have with sandboxing is that to do it right is > apparently difficult, judging by the number of people that get it wrong. We > need to rope in a security expert, I think, for the design. > > I don't suppose we have one in the house somewhere? "Where have you gone, Malco

RE: sandboxing

2001-05-03 Thread Garrett Goebel
From: Dan Sugalski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > At 05:22 PM 5/3/2001 -0400, John Porter wrote: > >David L. Nicol wrote: > > > is sandboxing something a language should support > > > at all, or is it best left to the OS to provide > > > a solid chroot facility? > > > >IMHO this is one of those t

Re: sandboxing

2001-05-03 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 05:22 PM 5/3/2001 -0400, John Porter wrote: >David L. Nicol wrote: > > is sandboxing something a language > > should support at all, or is it best left to the OS to provide > > a solid chroot facility? > >IMHO this is one of those things that should be kept firmly >in the front of our minds as

Re: sandboxing

2001-05-03 Thread John Porter
David L. Nicol wrote: > In all the discussion of customizing the parser, let us not > forget that we also need to be able to limit the parser. O.k., but what you say below isn't about limiting the parser, it's about limiting the VM. > is sandboxing something a language > should support at all,

Re: .NET

2001-05-03 Thread Dave Storrs
On 3 May 2001, Ilya Martynov wrote: > >> You can serialize/deserilize object with Storable > >> > >> $foo = new Bar > >> store_fd $foo, \*SOCKET; > >> > >> and on the other end > >> > >> $foo = retrieve_fd \*SOCKET; > >> $foo->bar; > >> > >> It will work if you have Bar module on both ends.

sandboxing

2001-05-03 Thread David L. Nicol
In all the discussion of customizing the parser, let us not forget that we also need to be able to limit the parser. The "Penguin" module offers one interface for doing that. But the larger question remains, is sandboxing something a language should support at all, or is it best left to the O

Re: .NET

2001-05-03 Thread Dave Storrs
On Wed, 2 May 2001, Dan Brian wrote: > Another snippet from the .NET whitepaper: > > > Everyone believes the Web will evolve, but for that evolution to be > truly empowering for developers, businesses, and consumers, a radical new > vision is needed. Microsoft's goal is to provide that vision

Re: PDD for debugger

2001-05-03 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 03:11 PM 5/2/2001 -0700, Dave Storrs wrote: >On Tue, 1 May 2001, Dan Sugalski wrote: > > > Right. What I'm thinking would be a good place to get to is a list of the > > functionality that the debugger needs to provide or have available to it > > from the interpreter, rather than the actual in

Re: So, we need a code name...

2001-05-03 Thread Brad Hughes
Larry Wall wrote: [...] > Then Perl language variants could go the other way and be: > > PermMicro Perl > PernNano Perl > PeroJava Perl > PerpPython Perl > PerqQuick Perl > PerrRuby Perl > PersStrict Perl > Pe

Re: So, we need a code name...

2001-05-03 Thread Casey West
On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 12:32:40PM -0700, Larry Wall wrote: : Edward Peschko writes: : : > : (is a nice city in Italy with a great symbol, the tower of Pisa). : : > : : : > : a'P' at the beginning, which means 'Perl', : : > : an 'I' which may mean 'Interpreter', : : > : a

Re: So, we need a code name...

2001-05-03 Thread Larry Wall
Edward Peschko writes: : > : (is a nice city in Italy with a great symbol, the tower of Pisa). : > : : > : a'P' at the beginning, which means 'Perl', : > : an 'I' which may mean 'Interpreter', : > : a'S' which may means'Six' : > : an 'A' which may

Re: Please make "last" work in "grep"

2001-05-03 Thread James Mastros
From: "Alexander Farber (EED)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 5:13 AM Subject: Please make "last" work in "grep" > Here I am looking for a button with a special name - "Delete ..." - > and there can be only one such button, so I have to interrupt the >

Re: So, we need a code name...

2001-05-03 Thread Edward Peschko
> : (is a nice city in Italy with a great symbol, the tower of Pisa). > : > : a'P' at the beginning, which means 'Perl', > : an 'I' which may mean 'Interpreter', > : a'S' which may means'Six' > : an 'A' which may means'Alpha' > > I

Minimalistic Perl 6 Language

2001-05-03 Thread Branden
Hey, all. This whole discussion on using . instead of -> made me think a lot about the Perl 6 language. Actually, this was the more recent of many religious wars happening on perl6-language about choosing this or that way of doing something. I remember many others like using my or using dynamic

Re: .NET

2001-05-03 Thread Ilya Martynov
>> You can serialize/deserilize object with Storable >> >> $foo = new Bar >> store_fd $foo, \*SOCKET; >> >> and on the other end >> >> $foo = retrieve_fd \*SOCKET; >> $foo->bar; >> >> It will work if you have Bar module on both ends. DS> Right, but I want it to work if you don't... Then mayb

Re: .NET

2001-05-03 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 04:26:27PM -0500, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote: > You are saying that the Clippy wasn't originally and truly annoying? :-) Annoying enough to spawn vigor! http://www.red-bean.com/~joelh/vigor/ -- Michael G. Schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl

Re: Please make "last" work in "grep"

2001-05-03 Thread Ariel Scolnicov
Michael G Schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 08:05:29AM -0700, Larry Wall wrote: > > Michael G Schwern writes: > > : (grep {...} @stuff)[0] will work, but its inelegant. > > > > It's inelegant only because the slice doesn't know how to tell the > > iterator it only nee