Re: The Photographer's Rights

2005-08-22 Thread Tom Reese
William Robb wrote: We in the US had a President some years back by the name of Richard Nixon. He uttered a line that became somewhat famous: "I am not a crook." My reply was meant to be a play on that old phrase. Didn't he turn out to be a crook? They (politicians) are a

Re: Good Sources For Used Gear?

2005-08-22 Thread Tom Reese
when there are choices of supply. Tom Reese

Re: A couple of PESOs

2005-08-22 Thread Tom Reese
ree before they hop down to the table. Shoot them in the tree (I hate birdfeeder pictures). Birds are nervous critters and don't stay still for even a second. Try to work from a concealed position if possible. Keep practicing. Tom Reese

Re: A couple of PESOs

2005-08-22 Thread Tom Reese
is a challenge. I don't have any suggestions for improvement there except to take a gunnery class. Tom Reese

Re: OT: Photographing insects

2005-08-22 Thread Tom Reese
Bob Shell wrote: > My specialty was butterflies, and they're not very noisy! that depends on the severity of the hangover. Tom Reese

Re: Back from GFM

2005-08-22 Thread Tom Reese
Doug Brewer wrote: Got back from the GFM Camera Clinic a few hours ago, and must report that I had much fun. Saw several regulars like Cesar, Tom Reese, Bill Owens and the lurkers, but also had the pleasure of meeting and talking with our own Scott Loveless during his first visit to GFM. I

Re: Back from GFM

2005-08-22 Thread Tom Reese
ander around looking at all the things you would photograph if you had a camera to use. Tom Reese

Re: When Pentax DSLR with better crop level?

2005-08-22 Thread Tom Reese
ncorporate many of the improvements announced in the 2000 Ulan Bator show: http://www.diaspoir.net/photography/totlpp.html Tom Reese

Re: catch-light panel

2005-08-22 Thread Tom Reese
The AF360FGZ flash has a little white plastic panel that slides out directly above the flash head and supposedly causes little highlights in the eyes of photographic subjects. I don't know if it works or not. I've never tried it. Tom Reese Shel Belinkoff wrote: I never heard of su

Re: The Photographer's Rights (please behave)

2005-08-22 Thread Tom Reese
ly be exempt. We should choose someone who sometimes uses Canon or Nikon equipment, writes to the list prolifically and has been around a long time. Do you have any suggestions? Tom Reese

Re: When Pentax DSLR with better crop level?

2005-08-22 Thread Tom Reese
retty much what film shooters have to do. Tom Reese

Re: Medium format slide projector question

2005-08-30 Thread Tom Reese
rice seems a little high to me. > I assume, that at least some on this list have seen such thing. I bought one of the older ones off eBay a little while ago. Now all I have to do is shoot the film I bought. Tom Reese

Re: Teleconverter F 1.7x AF: any comment?

2005-09-07 Thread Tom Reese
, this only works when the subject is at or near infinity. When the subject is closer, the lens has to be focused closer too. The teleconverter will then fine tune the focusing. Tom Reese

Re: Note to self

2005-09-12 Thread Tom Reese
mpensation after use You're really doing it the hard way. Tom Reese

Re: What's the difference ...

2005-09-13 Thread Tom Reese
A strict definition of macro is 1:1 or greater magnification. Most people seem to use the terms interchangeably. The 1:1 magnification referred to the image size on film vs. actual size. I don't know how that works with APS sized sensors. Tom Reese - Original Message - From:

Re: Note to self

2005-09-13 Thread Tom Reese
> On Sep 13, 2005, at 7:24 AM, Tom Reese wrote: > > > note to self 2: > > > > don't forget to reset the exposure compensation after use > > > > You're really doing it the hard way. > > The reason why I didn't set exposure compensation was

Re: What Ever Happened to Chrome? was: Being There

2005-09-13 Thread Tom Reese
Damn, I didn't know anything happened to chrome. If it disappeared then what are all those rolls in my refrigerator? What's in all those yellow boxes on my desk? What are those rolls in my cameras? Now I'm confused. Tom (Give me ektachrome or give me death) Reese

Re: What Ever Happened to Chrome? was: Being There

2005-09-13 Thread Tom Reese
From: "frank theriault" > You're an anachromism I'm going to let that slide for now. The transparency of your motive speaks for itself. Tom (the ektamorph) Reese

Re: What Ever Happened to Chrome? was: Being There

2005-09-13 Thread Tom Reese
> >> You're an anachromism > > > >I'm going to let that slide for now. The transparency of your motive speaks > >for itself. > > You don't fool me. I expect to see you make a complete reversal of your > position very soon. Why can't you be more positive? Tom Reese

Re: What Ever Happened to Chrome? was: Being There

2005-09-13 Thread Tom Reese
> > Why can't you be more positive? > > Don't be so sensitive. There's a grain (of) truth to what he says. I don't like the way this thread is developing. I need to limit my exposure. Tom

Re: Note to self

2005-09-14 Thread Tom Reese
> On Sep 13, 2005, at 10:45 PM, Tom Reese wrote: > > > My "doing it the hard way" comment was in reference to your > > calculating the > > exposure compensation for the tubes instead of using in camera > > metering. > > I was using my 6x7 at the time

Re: Some Posting Suggestions

2005-09-14 Thread Tom Reese
> On 14/9/05, Martin Trautmann, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >ok... Let's discuss email headers: > > > Who is this guy?? I don't know but his name sounds a little fishy. Tom Reese

Re: Some Posting Suggestions

2005-09-14 Thread Tom Reese
m doesn't thread anything. I get them sorted by date and I need some context to figure out what's going on. Tom Reese

Re: Some Posting Suggestions

2005-09-14 Thread Tom Reese
video card. They lost their shine a long long time ago (just about the same time I lost all my patience). Now they aren't fun anymore. They're aggravating, annoying, hateful pieces of junk. Hmmm, it appears that I've filled my monthly rant quota a bit early. Tom Reese > What obs

Re: Some Posting Suggestions

2005-09-14 Thread Tom Reese
;ve filled my monthly rant quota a bit early. Tom Reese > What obsolete primitive mail read are you using? > Tom Reese wrote: > > > > Not everyone reads them that way. My mail program doesn't thread anything. I > > get them sorted by date and I need some context to figure out what's going > > on.

Re: Some Posting Suggestions

2005-09-14 Thread Tom Reese
Sorry about the double posting. Like I said, I hate these &%$&ing things. Tom Reese

31mm limited fixed lens hood

2005-09-15 Thread Tom Reese
Has anyone found a way to use rectangular graduated neutral density filters with this lens? I can't figure out a way to attach a Cokin P holder. The lens isn't much good for landscapes if one can't use grad ND filters. Tom Reese

Re: Some Posting Suggestions

2005-09-15 Thread Tom Reese
Paul Sorenson wrote: "I thought Outlook Express would sort by subject so you can follow a thread if you want." It will sort by subject but it completely ignores dates. Todays mail gets mixed in with the saved stuff from two years ago. Tom Reese

Re: 31mm limited fixed lens hood

2005-09-15 Thread Tom Reese
tting but I may have to try it. Digital? What's that? >HTH Thanks for the reply. It confirmed that I'm not missing something and that the hood is indeed permanently attached to the lens. Tom Reese

Re: 31mm limited fixed lens hood

2005-09-15 Thread Tom Reese
nock the glass out of an old filter so that you can thread the > rectangular filter adapter into it, maybe? The hood's pretty deep. It would take 5 or 6 old filter rings to clear the hood. I'm pretty sure I'd get some vignetting but I'm going to have to give it a try. Tom Reese

Re: SV: For the Collector who needs one of everything.

2005-09-16 Thread Tom Reese
the main source of income for Pentax. > > > >If it's not #1, it's certainly "right up there"... > > I don't think Pentax appreciates being made the butt of a joke like > that... If they don't like it they can shove it. Tom Reese

Re: Some Posting Suggestions

2005-09-16 Thread Tom Reese
> Anyhoo, I have not used Outlook Express in a couple of years but I seem > to remember that you can set it to thread messages. there isn't any way that I've found so far and I quit looking. > I am sure you can > set it to sort by subject. that I can do but the new messages get all mixed in with

Re: Some Posting Suggestions

2005-09-17 Thread Tom Reese
David Savage offered the following advice: > Try going to View - Current View - Group Messages by Conversation. I > have Outlook Express 6, and by doing this it sorts the messages by > thread. That worked. Thanks for the tip. Tom Reese

Re: Weird filter effects

2005-09-18 Thread Tom Reese
7;ve used a couple of the Hi-Tech filters and never noticed any color shifts with them. Tom Reese

Re: How Pentax Could Survive (was:Re: Pentax K 2.5/200mm)

2005-09-19 Thread Tom Reese
"Cotty" wrote: > Pentax should have made a thousand MZ-D cameras, introduced IS somehow, > and just *given* the gear away to accredited photographers. The gear gets > seen, it gets related to, and the entry-level gear gets purchased. I think we'll see a high res camera with in camera IS and possi

Re: Pentax K 2.5/200mm

2005-09-19 Thread Tom Reese
Cotty wrote this about Fred: > He's a witch! BURN 'IM! He turned me into a newt. Tom Reese

Re: How Pentax Could Survive (was:Re: Pentax K 2.5/200mm)

2005-09-19 Thread Tom Reese
Herb Chong wrote: > i have had the checkbook ready for a year and there hasn't been anything to > buy. I think you'll have your opportunity soon enough. Tom Reese

Re: more green button wars

2005-09-20 Thread Tom Reese
w to me. They're going out of stock as fast as they're arriving. New lenses are in the pipeline. They'll be here. Tom Reese

Re: more green button wars

2005-09-20 Thread Tom Reese
- Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" > If they're not meeting demand they are losing sales. Some specialty > lenses, the ones professionals use are back ordered for months. The > FA50/1.4 isn't exactly a specialty lens. the FA50.1.4 is currently in stock at B&H. Tom Reese

Re: Pentax future WAS: Re: Camera engineering (was Re: Rename request))

2005-09-20 Thread Tom Reese
a- compelling... I believe that their new high end camera will be competitive and have enough whiz bang features to capture some significant attention. Tom Reese

Re: Camera engineering (was Re: Rename request)

2005-09-21 Thread Tom Reese
recent lenses should work with it. How about a shoe mounted external radar unit for autofocusing? How cool would that be? Tom Reese

Re: Camera engineering (was Re: Rename request)

2005-09-21 Thread Tom Reese
Subject: RE: Camera engineering (was Re: Rename request) > WILLIAM I strongly suggest you go > back and read the entire thread > from the very beginning and I strongly suggest that you ignore the entire thread and forget about trying to argue with this guy. Tom Reese

Re: Camera engineering (was Re: Rename request)

2005-09-21 Thread Tom Reese
ump-off - try to out curmudgeon the master for prizes Tom Reese

Re: PLEASE, buy these lenses!

2005-09-21 Thread Tom Reese
ly, KEH has them new in stock for not a whole lot (10%) more than the KEH price. Tom Reese

Re: Irrelevant Poll: What do you WANT in a digital camera?

2005-09-22 Thread Tom Reese
s. They'll let you know when it comes in. Tom Reese

Re: I'm Not Crazy

2005-09-22 Thread Tom Reese
> Doug Brewer wrote: > > I don't know if that proves you're not crazy. > > Because I wrote: > > > Well, I still say I'm not. me thinks ye doth protest too much Tom Reese

Re: Camera engineering (This is signifigant)

2005-09-22 Thread Tom Reese
- Original Message - From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm getting TIRED of your RANTING and RAVING. You sound like NUT and a LUNATIC. I wish you'd SHUT the #&@% UP for a while. Tom Reese

Re: Camera engineering (was Re: Rename request)

2005-09-23 Thread Tom Reese
ed. I don't know if that's true and neither do you. Only the Pentax engineers know for sure. Tom Reese

Re: Camera engineering (was Re: Rename request)

2005-09-23 Thread Tom Reese
ng boards. We don't know what projects were aborted. We don't know what's been designed into their lenses and cameras. Tom Reese

Re: Camera engineering (was Re: Rename request)

2005-09-23 Thread Tom Reese
lenses to take full advantage of the cameras capabilities and to get the best possible pictures. It is my opinion that it's foolish to do otherwise. Tom Reese

Re: Camera engineering (was Re: Rename request)

2005-09-23 Thread Tom Reese
product or technology supersedes the old 2. The product becomes useless due to changes in other products The lenses are obsolete whether you want to admit it or not. Tom Reese

Re: Camera engineering (was Re: Rename request)

2005-09-23 Thread Tom Reese
is your opinion that the bodies can't support the lenses because of a few cheap parts. You're supreme arrogance is preventing you from considering any other possibility. I don't want to try to do AE with K/M lenses. I'd rather try it with new modern lens designs. Tom Reese

Re: Camera engineering (was Re: Rename request)

2005-09-23 Thread Tom Reese
o come up with a good reason > for Pentax to be doing this. I told you several times. We don't know what went on in the Pentax engineering spaces. Without that knowledge there's no way of knowing why they made that decision. There may be a very good technical reason for it. It is a possibility that you refuse to even consider. Tom Reese

Re: Camera engineering (was Re: Rename request)

2005-09-23 Thread Tom Reese
From: "E.R.N. Reed" Subject: Re: Camera engineering (was Re: Rename request) > Tom Reese wrote: > > >From: "J. C. O'Connell" > > > > > >>So you are agreeing THAT EVERY K/M > >>LENS BOUGHT BY ANYONE NOW is bought > >>b

Re: Camera engineering (was Re: Rename request)

2005-09-23 Thread Tom Reese
t about it. The billions of "it depends" permutations make further debate pointless. Tom Reese

Re: Camera engineering (was Re: Rename request)

2005-09-23 Thread Tom Reese
ity that Pentax may have had a reason for what they did. I can abide your ignorance but your arrogance is intolerable. Tom Reese

Re: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-24 Thread Tom Reese
Peter Jordan wrote: > Call me a luddite if you will, but every time I see a bright, sharp set of > Velvia trannys from my LX or 645 I am convinced that as far as image quality > goes, film still rules. If you were female I'd marry you. Tom Reese

Re: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-24 Thread Tom Reese
Hey, I have some standards. Who do you think I am? Cotty? Tom Reese > Don't let that stop you. > > On 9/24/05, Tom Reese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Peter Jordan wrote: > > > > > Call me a luddite if you will, > > > > If you were female I'd marry you. > > > > Tom Reese

Re: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-24 Thread Tom Reese
William Robb turned my stomach when he replied to me like this: > From: "Tom Reese" > > > > If you were female I'd marry you. > > Hell, Tom, if I were single, I'd marry you. Jeeezus, I just pictured Robb in a wedding dress. I may never eat again. Tom Reese

Re: Camera engineering (was Re: Rename request)

2005-09-24 Thread Tom Reese
ieve that they had to take some stuff off the camera to hit their price point. That was one of the things they removed. Tom Reese

Re: 3D Center

2005-09-25 Thread Tom Reese
ike. I think I'm going to shoot some 3D PDML portraits at the NPW. Stereo photography is very cool IMO. Tom Reese

Re: How Pentax Could Survive

2005-09-25 Thread Tom Reese
e that any photographer no matter how good would have a far better ratio of hits to misses when he used autofocus. The content is eagles in flight. I can tell you from first hand experience that those shots are tough to get. I'd want the best autofocus system I could get my hands on if I was taking

Re: Temporarily enabled with 2.8/70-200mm

2005-09-25 Thread Tom Reese
uldn't miss it either as long as there's some other way to set the aperture. Tom Reese

Re: 540FGZ announcement

2005-09-25 Thread Tom Reese
't make sense for a flash that sells new for $50 but a $400 unit should be repairable. Tom Reese

Re: How Pentax Could Survive

2005-09-25 Thread Tom Reese
hy is a specialized application and it requires special tools. With better tools, the photographer will get more good shots. That's critical when he's doing it to put food on the table. Tom Reese

Re: How Pentax Could Survive

2005-09-25 Thread Tom Reese
rection changes too often. You only have a moment to get the shot before they're gone. A photographer with less equipment will set up on a tree and wait. He'll get shots of eagles but he won't get the shots we're talking about. Tom Reese

Re: anybody still shoot film?

2005-09-25 Thread Tom Reese
Frank Theriault showed how cruel and insensitive he is when he wrote: > On 9/24/05, Tom Reese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > If you were female I'd marry you. > > If you were a female, I'd run real fast in the other direction. That would hurt my

Re: How Pentax Could Survive

2005-09-25 Thread Tom Reese
a mountain at twilight so they don't have an "oooh aah look how pretty" impact but the content is there. Tom Reese

Re: A question for color film users

2005-04-19 Thread Tom Reese
he colors, stopped down lens and flash to accentuate the foreground and minimized the background. Tom Reese

Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor

2005-04-19 Thread Tom Reese
nt will eventually run out of credit. The aftermath will not be pretty. Tom Reese

Re: I've joined the masses......

2005-04-22 Thread Tom Reese
Don Sanderson wrote: "I've joined the masses.. of crazed, glassy eyed, "spend whatever it takes" Pentax lens buyers on eekBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7509253162 I just want to thank everyone at the PDML for getting me hopelessly addicted to Pentax primes!! [EMAIL [EM

Re: Gold LX on Ebay.

2005-04-22 Thread Tom Reese
frank theriault got lost in the past when he wrote: "When I was a kid, I whined and kicked and screamed with sufficient volume and tenacity, that my parents bought me one of those propeller beanies. Not just any propeller beanie, mind you, but an official Beanie and Cecil (anyone remember that car

Re: Gold LX on Ebay.

2005-04-22 Thread Tom Reese
frank theriault wrote: "I remember Tom Terrific! My mom never let me wear the funnel, though." That's interesting. She wouldn't let you wear the funnel but she bought you the beanie. Now I know where you got your sense of humor. "-frank (still a dumb adult) theriault" I left that part unsaid. My

RE: I've joined the masses......

2005-04-22 Thread Tom Reese
Don Sanderson replied to my original message as follows: > > From: Tom Reese > > You might find it useful to know that Mark Roberts hires himself out > > as a pack mule but the camera bag has to be the backpack type. > Already having a very large bag, and a hernia left ove

RE: Philly PDML July 9-10

2005-04-24 Thread Tom Reese
Amita Guha replied: > > lunch in a > > brewpub. > Ooh, Nate will like that part... So would I. I might be able to make this one. Tom Reese

my day as a photojournalist

2005-04-25 Thread Tom Reese
ds of stuff. I had a ball. I hope I got some shots they can use. Tom Reese

Re: my day as a photojournalist

2005-04-26 Thread Tom Reese
rating but that's the way it works. Tom Reese

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread Tom Reese
Frank Theriault wrote: "The word "libertarian" is a pretty wide-ranging one. Most people (I would guess) think of it as a whacko-right thing, but many on the left consider themselves to be "leftist libertarians", Chomsky likely being the best known. Not disputing what you said, Glenn, just expandi

RE: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread Tom Reese
uot; Kerry said many things during the campaign that I thought were socialist in principle. Perhaps that is what Collin meant. Tom Reese

RE: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-26 Thread Tom Reese
eliefs on everyone should be resisted. That is impossible in a democracy. It is possible in a republic. Our freedom depends on the distinction. Tom Reese

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread Tom Reese
Frank Theriault wrote: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:15:44 -0700 >On 4/26/05, Tom Reese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In a democracy, the > majority rules. The minority has no rights under the law. The United > States of America is not a democracy. It is a republic. "With the great

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread Tom Reese
da. I do not necesarily agree with the opinions cited on that webpage. I apologize for citing that webpage. Tom Reese

Re: Optical or Digital Prints?

2005-04-27 Thread Tom Reese
all the detail. Those are pretty big ifs. If we're talking about digital capture and print vs. film and wet print then there are probably a thousand ifs. "Without assessing the specific print originals and duplicates you are looking at, saying anything more would be wholly conjecture." Agreed. Tom Reese

Re: OT: Take a course in philosophy, will ya.

2005-04-27 Thread Tom Reese
Frank Theriault asked: "You coming to GFM this year, Tom? I seem to recall that you are." Indeed I am. "I think we'll have a fun discussion over a beer or two, eh? " I think we'll have several of both. (that acronym should keep you busy for a little while) Tom Reese

Re: Concerned

2005-04-27 Thread Tom Reese
uld start looking at your processing methods. If the Canon raw image is better than the Pentax raw image then you can start questioning your technique and your equipment. Tom Reese

Re: PDML Mini-FAQ

2005-04-28 Thread Tom Reese
cate the taking of fuzzy images. Surely, we all agree that those troublemaking rebels need to be re-educated and indoctrinated into the Fellowship of the Tripod. "BTW, welcome aboard!" Indeed, welcome to the fray Luben. Tom Reese

Re: Path of Dreams - Neither PAW nor PESO

2005-04-28 Thread Tom Reese
frame is a bit of a distraction IMO. I think you could improve the picture by cropping the top to reduce the size of that piece of open sky. That's my opinion only. Tom Reese

Re: Slow down, you're goin' too fast

2005-04-28 Thread Tom Reese
e if you overexpose it by a stop and process it normally. Tom Reese

Re: My First Magazine Cover!

2005-04-28 Thread Tom Reese
submitted a pic for inside the mag which was taken with my MZ-S..." http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/42643581"; They're both doggone good shots Wendy. Congratulations. Tom Reese

OT: It's Show Time

2005-04-29 Thread Tom Reese
ions on the show Frank. I like your work a lot. I'm sure the public will too. Tom Reese

Re: PDML Mini-FAQ

2005-04-29 Thread Tom Reese
noticed too. I'm sure it's tough to do street photography when everyone is staring at you. I was glad to be without one at Earth Day. "I don't know what I am. I only know what I'm not (one of which would be whatever you are )." That's a mean thing to say. It would have hurt my feeling if I had one. Tom Reese

Re: Moral Dilemma

2005-05-04 Thread Tom Reese
ing a new compact digicam because our S50 can't come close to replicating the results of the *istD, or 5. Throw a tantrum." I vote for proseletyzing. Buy her an Optio and turn her into a photographer too. Tom Reese

Re: Film in your hands...

2005-05-04 Thread Tom Reese
slide film" you'll get a lot of hits. "...and just how does the leaf shutter work? ;-)" It works great for outdoor portraits with fill flash. Tom Reese

Re: Gallery Show, No Pentax

2005-05-04 Thread Tom Reese
Frank Theriault wrote: "Sew, I'm done with this thread. No amount of needling will pry more puns from this author tonight." Oh, darn. Tom Reese

Re: Gallery Show, No Pentax

2005-05-05 Thread Tom Reese
Mark Cassino wrote: "Groan You guys have really strung this along"Indeed. What a bunch of knitwits.Tom Reese

Re: PDML IS ALIVE

2005-05-05 Thread Tom Reese
Frank Theriault replied to Mark Roberts as follows: on 5/4/05, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Waitaminnit... I thought *you* were our dictator this week, Frank? > > (I can never keep track of these things...) > "Nope. I was dictator two weeks ago. Sheesh, get with the programme, Mar

RE: Digital profligacy

2005-05-06 Thread Tom Reese
c the one that used for his pioneering bullet through the apple type shots the ones built into those spacecraft that have been exploring Mars etc the electron microscope cameras that photographed the ants head at a thousand times lifesize Tom reese

what makes a photograph art...

2005-05-06 Thread Tom Reese
and contradiction I'm interested in hearing the thoughts of the group on these definitions. Do you disagree with any of them? Tom Reese

Re: what makes a photograph art...

2005-05-06 Thread Tom Reese
re moved by different words, different pictures. The only real test of great universal art is time. If a work endures and speaks to every generation, one can say that it is great art: a classic." Agreed. Thanks for the reply Paul. I appreciate your different point of view. Tom Reese

Re: Digital profligacy

2005-05-06 Thread Tom Reese
ameras. "My guess is that the current crop of DSLR's will all be out of service in 10 years (if not sooner). Indeed, the current digital photo capture/storage system may be completely out of date and unusable by then." No comment. I don't want to get the Digiphiles riled up anymore than they already are. Tom Reese

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