I find getting the colour right easier from transparancies as you don't
have to compensate for the film base and more widely varying colour
pallettes - negs have to 'look' essentially right. Having said that, it
is not always as easy as it should be!
Alternatively, negatives have much wider latt
On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Ronald de Leeuw wrote:
> I'm considering a FG grip for my MZ5, and I'm wondering if it would give me
I have this grip which I've used both on an ZX-5n and ZX-50.
> any advantages in handling? I guess there's a shutter button on the grip,
> anything else on it? Does it really
On 29 Aug 2002 at 10:22, Jim Fellows wrote:
> Is it better or easier to scan 35mm slides or negs? What are the pros and
> cons of both.
Hi Jim,
In very basic terms, neg will give you far more latitude but may be difficult
to colour balance (some is very easy however, it seems very scanner dep
1) Negs have a a brown mask. This has to be subtracted. The color that has
to be corrected differs between different films. Getting the color balance
right is thus sometimes difficult on negs.
2) Negatives: Generally color reproduction cannot be controlled by
comparing it to the 'original', e.
>
> Most digital images taken today will be useless in 20 years -because the
> quality has moved on, or the storage formats change and the old are no
> longer readable I will always be able to look at the pictures I took
on
> slides and scan them again (color fading is no longer a problem of m
Hi,
I'm not sure if this was talked through - if so, please excuse me...
I have two questions on the subject:
- is it true that every Pentax camera, that is equiped with a 6-segment
metering, has actually two 6-segment matrixes, or is it only the 645N/NII
that has it?
- what is exactly all about t
Here's my datapoint:
I love film, but I'm a realist.
I use a Polaroid SS120 for both MF and 135 and scan at 4000dpi. I can
honestly say I don't see much to be had even at 4000dpi on either Provia F
100 or Velvia. I can never find a detail that occupies less than 3-4
pixels at this resolution
Agree. Slides are less hassle and better contrast (I think that means, better
resolved middle tones). Prints resolve extremes better, but at the loss of
contrast and more hassle and lack of any visual reference.
Mishka.
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From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EM
Jim,
After scanning thousands of negatives and slides, I can give the
following experience. The scanner that you use will greatly influence
the comparison. Slides tend to be contrastier and denser than
negatives which can cause problems for many scanners. The more
expensive the scanner, the be
The digital photographers that I correspond with, on the PHOTODIGITAL
mailing list aren't having these problems. Most were pro film shooters for
many years but either have converted to digital completely or are in the
process of doing so.
Len
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-Original Message-
From: Collin Brendemue
For many pro photographers, quality is less of an issue than
convenience. News and Sports snappers need the shots fast and details
like this don't matter. Studio Photogs can control the lighting and
avoid the situation. Where the problem is more prevalent is for
landscapes and architectural pho
At 09:44 29.08.02 -0500, you wrote:
>alled base of jpg/tiff et al is huge. We'll be able to
>read that for at least as long as your slides last!
>
>As to the physical format, who cares? Any collection of pictures can be
>moved around a network as devices move to higher densities
I don't disput
At 16:27 29/8/02 +0100, you wrote:
>You will need to constantly "mantain" your picture library, copy it to new media etc.
>to keep your images. This is already problematic for some formats: jpg for example
>loose some quality every time they are copied as far as I know (correct me if I'm
>wrong
I am sometimes bothered by folks that have not really tried digital making
major judgements about it based on second or third hand knowledge, hence my
post. I've been using digital cameras for quite a while now. I find that,
like film and film cameras, you have to take some time to learn the
equ
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From: "Knut Kampe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: Digital vs.FILM: will digital cameras lose the war?
> At 09:44 29.08.02 -0500, you wrote:
> >alled base of jpg/tiff et al is huge. We'll be able to
Disservice or not it is true. The reason they are converting is for
speed of getting the results. I am not saying, and never implied, that
the digital pictures were not of sufficient quality. What I am saying
is that 'ultimate quality' is not as important as usability of the
medium in many situ
>
> You will need to constantly "mantain" your picture
> library, copy it to new
> media etc. to keep your images. This is already
> problematic for some
> formats: jpg for example loose some quality every
> time they are copied as
> far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong on this).
False.
You need ICE3 - ROC can work wonders on faded slides!
> -Original Message-
> From: Mike Ignatiev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 29 August 2002 17:19
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re[2]: Digital vs.FILM: will digital cameras lose the war?
>
>
>
> i almost cried last year when
Len,
I have no doubts that you can make 16x20 prints from 3MP camera that would kick
medium format's ass
Mishka
P.S. No, I don't have a digicam. However I have used a few, so I do have some
first hand experience.
-Original Message-
From: "Paris, Leonard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'[EMAI
Hello!
Obviously the form of the digest-mails has changed: On my screen I see a
nice frame without any text and all the mails are attachments in that very
small line "subject" where I can see two titles at the time and I have to
scroll to click on all of them one by one ... (I am using outlook ex
That's why I *almost* cried :) Still, restoration is a *major* project, and I
am still less than 30% through, a year later.
-Original Message-
From: "Rob Brigham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:18:08 +0100
Subject: RE: Re[2]: Digital vs.FILM: will d
Have you ever lost data moving something around a network?
Have you ever discovered after that data was lost that the last
six months of backups were bad because... (fill in the blank with
your favorite excuse/reason). Yes I know you can destroy data stored in
analog form on negatives as well. I
10 years wow, you're getting a lot of life out of floppies. ANSI standard
is less than 6 months
for data longevity. I remember making most of these arguments about a year
ago during one of
these debates of film vs digital. Jpeg doesn't actually lose quality every
time you copy it. Only
when
Oh to have so much faith. Please I've worked on systems to keep archival
copies of
documents using RAID arrays and optical write once storage, (something much
more reliable
than the related CD ROMS). If you knew what could go wrong and how likely
it is you'd have
no faith at all.
At 11:18 AM
>False. You can copy *any* file 100 times a second for the next 100
years, and
the last copy will be as good as the first one. Assuming you have the
patience
:)
Not quite true!
If you were to look at a cd with the error correction turned off you
might have a mess!
It is a bit like cloning.Each
>I keep my images on a RAID system, so individual disk life is a non
issue.
>Any critical data is handled this way.Think about all the
>companies/institutions/etc. that need to keep data for long peroids of
time.
>There are systems to do this, and the data is 100% preserved.
We had a saying
Depends what level of raid you use.
Len
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-Original Message-
From: Alan Abbott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 1:08 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Digital vs.FILM: will digital cameras lose the war?
>I keep my images on a RAID system, so individual
I'll spend a day or two in Toronto this weekend (including monday morning)
visiting friends. Any recommendation of good shops that carry used pentax
glass? You can respond me offlist to save the bandwidth.
Best,
Mishka
I didn't mean to get into the physical media limitations.
I meant "each subsequent copy is exactly bitwise identical to the original when
read into memory from the carrier, assuming the carrier and the memory are not
corrupt, there is no magnetic storm and nuclear blasts in the vicinity... more
This is a CD specific issue.
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From: "Alan Abbott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 1:00 PM
Subject: RE: Re[2]: Digital vs.FILM: will digital cameras lose the war?
>
>
> >False. You can copy *any* file 100 times a second f
>Is it better or easier to scan 35mm slides or negs? What are the pros and
cons of both.
Thanks,
Jim Fellows<
negatives have less brightness range than slides. you will still get best
results from scanning slides if you have a good enough scanner.
Herb
>My thinking is that its not just large print sizes that show the
>difference, but also the greater enlargement of a cropped part of an
>image. How many times I have taken a photo in landscape orientation
> >andthought that there is a big space to the side and I want to crop it
> >to make it po
Artur wrote:
> - is it true that every Pentax camera, that is equiped with a 6-segment
> metering, has actually two 6-segment matrixes, or is it only the 645N/NII
> that has it?
As far as I know, Only the 645N/NII has it.
> - what is exactly all about this "dual six-segment metering"? How does
How does level of RAID affect it?
Raid can only take care of a certain level of failiure
RAID 5 (striped set with parity) will fail when two failures happen(two
disks die or in this case tapes)
And so on, but they will all fail at a certain level.
For NAMAS and FDA standards they usually want a p
I just finished scanning a few of my father's 50 year old Kodachrome slides.
Overall they're in pretty good shape since they've been stored in metal
slide boxes all this time. Colors are still pretty good, but seem to be
more realistic with a shot of Autolevel in PS. AFAIK, they were taken with
http://www.cebas.de/de/bov_step12.htm
This is a good example what you can do to calculate reflections etc.
already today (sorry the description is in German, but the images speak for
themselves).
But this is no longer photography, depicting the world we see (well I
agree: photography also alw
I'm in here somewhere, but can't quite find a way out yet - I wisjh I'd
left a trail of breadcrumbs. Thanks very much Mr Doug Brewer List Guy,
boy when I meet you pal!!! ;-)
Cor, swipe me. He paints with light!
http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/
On 29 Aug 2002 at 21:31, Cotty wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I've posted a few pics of Norway, Jostein, tunnels and trams:
>
> http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/
A nice set of pics Mr Cotty :-)
I had that end of the world short listed for scrutiny, you've made me a lot
more interested, if only money gr
Rob,
I'm trying to decide on which film to use with my 6x9 cameras. I'm planning
on taking 2 weeks next mont to photograph Northern Ontario's brilliant
autumn colours.
I was planning on using Velvia film, as per many MF users recommendation,
but I'm open for suggestions.
I do like NPS for general
if you scan, "vibrancy" of colors on the film is irrelevant.
that's what the curves/levels are for :)
Best,
Mishka
> I am planning on getting an Epson 2450 scanner soon, so any
> advice on which film would give me the best results is apreciated.
> So far the most vibrant colours I've seen were
Sounds like a plan Frank.
Dave
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From: frank theriault
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:45:25 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Off to see Paul
Hi,
Met up with Paul Stenquist last night.
Heads up to other Toronto guys: Paul will
likely b
I'm not getting good results with the Epson
2450 with 35mm(except the IR seems to scan ok)
The few 120 negs and slides i've done so far
seem reasonable,but have yet to really give it
a work out.My major horse work is over this
weekend so hopefully soon.
Dave
Pentax User
Stouffville Ontario
On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Jeff wrote:
> I was planning on using Velvia film, as per many MF users recommendation,
> but I'm open for suggestions.
There's also Kodak E100SW which is supposed to be saturated colours with
warm balance.
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We appreciate all the work your doing out in
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Stouffville Ontario Canada
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>Is it better or easier to scan 35mm slides or negs? What are the pros and
>cons of both.
I think both have pros and cons (I use Minolta Scan Elite F-2900).
Slides: Dense slides are a real pain to scan. Provia 100F has the finest
grain after scan so far. Sensia 100 & E100VS are good too.
Colo
Hi gang,
The SLR camera has been around for more than 50 years. In that time,
there have been significant developments and advances. Have we reached the
point of "diminished returns"?
I recently read a series of reviews and comparisons of different cameras
in a magazine (don't ask me which
Sorry Guys.No can do this weekend.I have my
final BIG horse show this weekend.150 +
entries,could be good for the bank loan :)
I was at the X today with the SO,we had 10
riders from the barn we are at show yesterday
and today,and 2 of them were Champions.They
were smiling:)
(BTW the 13-15 Sep
>I'm trying to decide on which film to use with my 6x9 cameras. I'm planning
>on taking 2 weeks next mont to photograph Northern Ontario's brilliant
>autumn colours.
>I was planning on using Velvia film, as per many MF users recommendation,
>but I'm open for suggestions.
>I do like NPS for general
I was watching a show on the local educational network about a team who
goes around freeing whales from fishing nets, and they showed one of
them taking stills. He was using a Pentax 645 (don't ask me what
model).
I always get excited when I see a Pentax on TV...
regards,
frank
--
"The optimis
Jeff,
Having owned in the past and perhaps buying again the Epson 2450 - I
can tell you from personal experience that scanning negs with it is
easier and gives better results than scanning slides. I would
consider using negative film and using either Agfa Optima II 100 or
Konica Impressa 50 for
Rob,
Both, slides and prints have their advantages. Lattitude is only one half of
the equation. Dynamical range is the second half. No, you cannot "create"
either one in Photoshop. No matter what you do there, you will only lose
data.
Consider an absurd example: you have only 2 bits for 1 (greysc
- Original Message -
From: Francis Alviar
Subject: SMC M 200/f4
> I'd like to get the groups opinion regarding this
> lens. How is it optically?
Mine seems to be quite good.
William Robb
my messages have not been going through
- Original Message -
From: Knut Kampe
Subject: Re: Digital vs.FILM: will digital cameras lose the war?
> I don't dispute that jpg/tiff might be readable in 100 years.
But the media
> on which these images are stored today, might not be readable
in 20 years.
> Magnetically stored data wil
my messages have not been going through
Hi Pentaxians,
I'm back!
It has occurred to me that Pentax seems to advertize a lot less than Canon
or Nikon. When flipping through photo magazines, there seems to be ten Nikon
and Canon adds for every one by Pentax (or other brands). Is this part of
the reason why Pentax gear is a bit less expe
> -Original Message-
> From: Cameron Hood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 8:57 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: test 2
>
>
> my messages have not been going through
They are now.
tv
Bah..
OK OK .. you got me for Saturday afternoon .. but I dont' know how long into
the evening I'll hang out there :)
Should be fun.. specially if Mishka and SO can make it.
Let's arrange time/place of meeting
CHeers,
Dave
P.S. Oh BRENDAN. WHERE ARE YOU ??? :-)
-Origi
-Original Message-
> From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
>
> I was watching a show on the local educational network
> about a team who
> goes around freeing whales from fishing nets, and they showed one of
> them taking stills. He was using a Pentax 645 (don't ask me what
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>Why do you believe this? Scanning negs gives a far superior contrast
range, you
can never get beyond a little over 4 stops from a slide. I think that you
will
find of many top end professionals in landscape (not 35mm format) who are
more
cleve
>It has occurred to me that Pentax seems to advertize a lot less than Canon
>or Nikon. When flipping through photo magazines, there seems to be ten
>Nikon
>and Canon adds for every one by Pentax (or other brands). Is this part of
>the reason why Pentax gear is a bit less expensive than Nikon or C
- Original Message -
From: tom
Subject: RE: Pentax sighting
> BTW, are the plus and minus signs in a K1000 meter supposed to
light
> up?
No.
William Robb
Hi, Margo,
It's probably part of the reason that a lot more people buy N and C than
Pentax. Seems that when I walk around town, I see about 10 of those other
cameras for every Pentax...
regards,
frank
Margo Ellen Gesser wrote:
> Hi Pentaxians,
>
> I'm back!
>
> It has occurred to me t
Inkjet printing is a great option for color. Better than wet prints in
many ways. However, the wet darkroom is still far superior for B&W.
Paul
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote:
>
> Basically..
> 1) MG IV RC paper - I only use it in the one darkroom I rent (I consider
> going to wet but haven't yet -
Hi all,
I just returned from Toronto, and I'm happy to report that I had a great
time drinking some good English beer and discussing some great Japanese
cameras with Frank Theriault. We took a few potentially horrible
pictures of each other under dangerously bad light and discussed many of
our pho
I've found that negatives generally produce better scans. They don't
tend to block up or oversaturate as much as transparency scans and the
negs have greater latitude than transparencies. Most scanning software
seems to have no trouble compensating for the base color.
Paul
Jim Fellows wrote:
>
>
I have never tried Agfa Optima II film, but seeing that Vistek has it for
$3.79/roll CDN, I'll give it a try.
I can't find a dealer for Konica Impressa film.
I shot a roll of Agfa RSX II 100 with my GS645 and found it quite neutral,
but it seemed to saturate reds and yellows. I still have a roll
It's certainly not the best 200mm lens around, but it's very compact and
very affordable. I've had great success with it and value it highly. You
can see one of my M200/4 shots at http://pug.komkon.org/01aug/mtgoat.html
Paul
Francis Alviar wrote:
>
> I'd like to get the groups opinion regarding
O
Yes Jeff.. good call.
I'd like to hear how those turn out as you know I'm in the market for one of
those babies myself.
Cheers,
Dave
P.S. I snagged a roll of Agfa Portrait film (based on your samples) to try
out in the Blad I'm hoping for similar results to your 645 prints ! :)
-O
I ran a roll of NPC last week at a Henna (pre-wedding) ceremony. Hope to get
the proofs back tomorrow.
I'm hoping for more punch than the NPS for portraits.
Jeff
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From: "David Chang-Sang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 11:1
Can someone point me someplace where I could find on the web 100% resolution
scans (er... I meant, fragmets of scans, but, say, at least 1000x1000 )
made with it? I am desperate for a MF scanner, but anything "real" is way
out of my league in terms of affordability...
Best,
Mishka
- Original
havent posted any 100% MF scans yet but
I'm getting fantastic scans with the 2450
using 6X7 originals. In fact I did some 8.5X11
scans/prints yesterday using 35mm!!! Fuji superia
film that are mind blowingly good. Hell,
If i had known this kind of quality was possible
with 35mm I might not have ev
>Inkjet printing is a great option for color. Better than wet prints in
>many ways. However, the wet darkroom is still far superior for B&W.
Paul
Paul, I had the impression that the contrary was true. I have a hard
time getting good color prints from my Kodachrome slides using a
LS-30 and an E
- Original Message -
From: Paul Stenquist
Subject: Pub Meeting With Frank
> Hi all,
> I just returned from Toronto, and I'm happy to report that I
had a great
> time drinking some good English beer and discussing some great
Japanese
> cameras with Frank Theriault. We took a few potentia
Well, sort of.
We will be off on vacation for the next couple of weeks. I was
hoping to make it to visit Tom C and meet up with Anasan in
Idaho, but that is just not in the playbook, unfortunately. The
vagaries of having an aging parent makes staying a bit closer to
home a necessity this year.
Any
> -Original Message-
> From: William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
>
> Be careful of women offering beer.
Amen.
tv
<>
You are not reading the right sort of magazines.
Actually in 35mm this is true, but Nikon is a "superbrand" - it's official. Premium
brands such as Nikon are able to get away with higher pricing, which in turn
reinforces the superbrand. I don't think the ad budget has much to do with the
Shooting through helicopter windows is possible, but for any decent
results, the door *has to come off*. This is a whole different ballgame,
and I suspect the pilot will refuse the request. Certainly he won't allow
it if there are other passengers aboard.
Cotty. Done that. At a balloon festiva
This is slightly OT, but what the hell.
Yesterday I scanned some 35mm negs with
the EPSON 2450 scanner. Just a couple
of shots in my back yard I had handy.
Film: Fuji Superia 400
Camera: Olympus 35RD (sorry)
Lens: 40mm F1.7 Zuiko (6 element)
Exposure: 1/500 at F11(1)
1/250 at F11(2)
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