Re: Shallow DOF with 6X7 lenses (was: 6x7 lenses - Brotherhood comments solicited)

2003-07-25 Thread Mark Cassino
At 05:37 PM 7/24/2003 -0400, T Rittenhouse wrote: No, Mark, f-stop is focal-length divided by aperture-diameter. So, by definition focal-length divided by f-stop is aperture-diameter (that is, a 100mm lens at f4.0 has a 25mm aperture). Actually, that formula in the original form had the value f =

Re: Shallow DOF with 6X7 lenses (was: 6x7 lenses - Brotherhood comments solicited)

2003-07-25 Thread "Mike Ignatiev"
Maybe I need to see a shrink, but if you saw me mentioning the focal length, I suggest you re-read my message and keep your imagination in check. I was talking about *dimensions*: d has dimensions of *length* (m, yards, leagues) c has dimensions of *length* (mm, inches, miles, a.e) m is dimensio

Re: Shallow DOF with 6X7 lenses (was: 6x7 lenses - Brotherhood comments solicited)

2003-07-25 Thread Peter Alling
Acceptable DOF is calculated based on the circle of confusion which varies by format. At 08:20 AM 7/24/03 -0400, you wrote: Isn't DOF computed via f stop, regardless of format? I do know that a 165mm lens projects an image the same size on the film regardless of format. In other words, if a 165mm

Re: Shallow DOF with 6X7 lenses (was: 6x7 lenses - Brotherhood comments solicited)

2003-07-24 Thread T Rittenhouse
://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: "mishka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 7:08 PM Subject: Re: Shallow DOF with 6X7 lenses (was: 6x7 lenses - Brotherhood comments solicited) > T Rittenhouse wrote: >

Re: Shallow DOF with 6X7 lenses (was: 6x7 lenses - Brotherhood comments solicited)

2003-07-24 Thread T Rittenhouse
sage - From: "Mark Cassino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 12:27 PM Subject: Re: Shallow DOF with 6X7 lenses (was: 6x7 lenses - Brotherhood comments solicited) > At 09:32 AM 7/24/2003 -0400, T Rittenhouse wrote: > >

Re: Shallow DOF with 6X7 lenses (was: 6x7 lenses - Brotherhood comments solicited)

2003-07-24 Thread Mark Cassino
At 09:32 AM 7/24/2003 -0400, T Rittenhouse wrote: Your verbal explaination is great, Mark. But there is a bit of a problem with your math. Simply put f-stop is a light transmission factor, not and not the same thing as aperture size. I know I played with that same formula for a long time, and it d

Re: Shallow DOF with 6X7 lenses (was: 6x7 lenses - Brotherhood comments solicited)

2003-07-24 Thread Butch Black
The COC factor used to produce lens DOF scales varies between manufacturers within the same format. For instance Carl Zeiss Contax SLR lenses have a far more generous DOF scale Pentax 35mm lenses. However there is no difference in the apparent DOF in prints made at the same aperture and FL using P

Re: Shallow DOF with 6X7 lenses (was: 6x7 lenses - Brotherhood comments solicited)

2003-07-24 Thread T Rittenhouse
-stop) to a (aperture diameter) and it works fine. Ciao, Graywolf http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto - Original Message - From: "Mark Cassino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 8:38 AM Subject: Re:

Re: Shallow DOF with 6X7 lenses (was: 6x7 lenses - Brotherhood comments solicited)

2003-07-24 Thread T Rittenhouse
;Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 8:20 AM Subject: Re: Shallow DOF with 6X7 lenses (was: 6x7 lenses - Brotherhood comments solicited) > Isn't DOF computed via f stop, regardless of format? I do know that a 165mm > lens p

Re: Shallow DOF with 6X7 lenses (was: 6x7 lenses - Brotherhood comments solicited)

2003-07-24 Thread Steve Larson
Thanks to all who responded. The (circle of) confusion is now very clear! Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: "Steve Larson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 4:28 AM Subject: Shallow DOF with 6X7 lenses (was: 6x7 len

Re: Shallow DOF with 6X7 lenses (was: 6x7 lenses - Brotherhood comments solicited)

2003-07-24 Thread Rob Studdert
On 24 Jul 2003 at 13:41, Chris Stoddart wrote: > Having said that, does anyone know if the d-o-f is the same for all lenses > of a given focal length? In other words, does every 165mm lens from every > maunfacturer have the same d-o-f? Or can they 'tune' it a bit with better > optical design? Yes

Re: Shallow DOF with 6X7 lenses (was: 6x7 lenses - Brotherhood comments solicited)

2003-07-24 Thread Mark Cassino
At 04:28 AM 7/24/2003 -0700, Steve Larson wrote: Why do 6X7 lenses have a shallow depth of field even stopped down all the way? Chris mentioned it with the 165/2.8. Are they all like that? I could understand it if it was at close focus with tubes WO, but for a landscape shooting at infinity? Pleas