Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-06 Thread Mark Roberts
Peter Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >At 05:04 PM 6/5/03 -0400, you wrote: >>I think what you really want is "Louisiana Stupid Sauce", at least that's > ^^ >>it's name. Pure Capsaicin with just enough vinegar to keep it liquid an

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-06 Thread Peter Alling
At 05:04 PM 6/5/03 -0400, you wrote: I think what you really want is "Louisiana Stupid Sauce", at least that's ^^ it's name. Pure Capsaicin with just enough vinegar to keep it liquid and ^ This should read "...at least that'

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-06 Thread Peter Alling
I think what you really want is "Louisiana Stupid Sauce", at least that's it's name. Pure Capsaicin with just enough vinegar to keep it liquid and red die for coloring. Pure heat no flavor, (Unless you consider acetic acid flavor). At 10:25 AM 6/2/03 -0400, you wrote: Rob Wasabi eating contest.

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-04 Thread Rob Studdert
On 3 Jun 2003 at 9:14, Bob Walkden wrote: > My M3 has the old-style loading where you have to take the spool out, > whereas my M4-2 has the new-style loading. The M3 is really quite slow > to load. The M4 loading system seems to be as good as any others that > I know, though. The Pentax magic need

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-03 Thread Bob Walkden
Hi, Tuesday, June 3, 2003, 12:06:06 AM, you wrote: > Sure it's not initially nor is any camera but all M series cameras have a life > sized picture of the load procedure on their base (for the dummies) and if you > do as it shows you're likely never to have a bad load and after the second time

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-03 Thread Daniel Liu
I think something we forget too often is how fun taking pictures can be. Not necessarily getting the shot and have the satisfication of seeing it "perfect", but rather the work involved getting it. I remember using a canon AF slr (rebel somethingorother) once: it was point, shoot, and pray. It'

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-03 Thread Rob Studdert
On 2 Jun 2003 at 14:46, T Rittenhouse wrote: > Where did you hear that? No one I ever knew claimed loading film in a Leica was > instinctive. > > Very well built, a pleasure to handle, sharp lenses, the world's best > rangefinder, yes. But, instinctive? Not likely. Sure it's not initially nor is

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-03 Thread Fred
> Gosh. Am I the only one that likes the ME Super too ? ;-) It's so > cute, especially when properly skinned ;-) I love the ol' ME Super, too. I happen to even love those cute little Up and Down shutter buttons. It's cute in silver and it's elegant in black. But not so cute when improperly skin

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-03 Thread Dag T
I agree with you in the medium format solution. I had some luck and sold a lot of photos some time ago, but being fond of the square format I bought a 6x6 Bronica with 40mm, 80mm and 180mm lenses. The lenses are made by Tamron (Bronica is owned by them) and have that nice manual focus feeling

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-03 Thread T Rittenhouse
Where did you hear that? No one I ever knew claimed loading film in a Leica was instinctive. Very well built, a pleasure to handle, sharp lenses, the world's best rangefinder, yes. But, instinctive? Not likely. I am glad I am not one of you old geezers, so I don't need AF. Of course, my opinion i

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-03 Thread Herb Chong
the number of points is irrelevant. it is whether you have to think or just react to set focus with AF engaged. Herb... - Original Message - From: "Caveman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 14:13 Subject: Re: Pentax bashi

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-03 Thread Caveman
ssage - From: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:13 Subject: Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question) Clearly, you are not a pilot, and certainly you have no commercial or military experience flight exper

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-03 Thread Herb Chong
lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:13 Subject: Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question) > Clearly, you are not a pilot, and certainly you have no commercial or > military experience flight experience. It's ok. Not everyone

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-03 Thread Bob Blakely
Clearly, you are not a pilot, and certainly you have no commercial or military experience flight experience. It's ok. Not everyone has. Further, it this has nothing to do with Pentax or photography. I was not commenting on your views regarding the taking of photos, just making a side comment on you

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-02 Thread dagt
> Fra: Caveman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Dag T wrote: > > > > The disadvantage of the existing concept of AF is that someone else > > decided what part of the picture should be in focus, and making it > > cumbersome to decide otherwise. That´s why I like to focus on the > > screen, while co

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-02 Thread dagt
AF was implemented because it was cheaper to make than good mechanics. You have the freedom to choose which of a predetermined number of spots. Great freedom. By the way, I know that many sports photographers focus their digital cameras manually. The AF is simply not good enough. DagT > >

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-02 Thread Cotty
>...And how long did it take to grasp the advantage of controlling the >aperture from the body? AF controls are similar in the sense that it >takes a while for it to all become conditioned reflexes the way that >manually focusing a lens is. I have less trouble getting the right bits >in focus,

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-02 Thread Cotty
>Where the hell does that line come from, anyway ("well slap my ass and call me >Sally")? Kripes, it's on the tip of my tongue... Damn! Over here in UK I've seen a very hot sauce called that - dunno if it's made here or the US. I'll have to ask my hot sauce guru... Cheers, Cotty ___/\__

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-02 Thread Dr E D F Williams
t; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax Discuss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 5:27 AM Subject: Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question) > On 03.6.1 9:55 PM, "Caveman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > T

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-02 Thread Brendan
I had a easy fix for the MZ-M till I got the MZ-3, it was F11 --- Alan Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I used to own a MZ-M for a year. The only feature > that must be improved, > imho, is the crappy viewfinder. With other MZ/ZX > bodies, you can rely on AF. > With MZ-M, one can rely on nothi

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-02 Thread Alan Chan
I'll gladly take 2 brand new MXs if Pentax decided to make quality manual focus bodies again, and leave the LXs for someone else. :-) regards, Alan Chan But every time I start to design my *dream* manual focus camera, I end up with reinventing the LX (albeit with a faster sync speed). ;-) _

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-02 Thread Alan Chan
I used to own a MZ-M for a year. The only feature that must be improved, imho, is the crappy viewfinder. With other MZ/ZX bodies, you can rely on AF. With MZ-M, one can rely on nothing. regards, Alan Chan I actually considered getting a zx-m when I bought my first camera body. I think about the

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-02 Thread Caveman
Mat Maessen wrote: I actually considered getting a zx-m when I bought my first camera body. I think about the only features it really needs is better matrix metering, and TTL flash, to be a killer MF body. Essentially, a ZX-5n without autofocus. I'd say: -I can easily live with just center weigh

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-02 Thread Bob Blakely
women?" -Martin Luther - Original Message - From: "Herb Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 5:40 PM Subject: Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question) > which only confirms Bruce's statement. do y

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-02 Thread Mat Maessen
I actually considered getting a zx-m when I bought my first camera body. I think about the only features it really needs is better matrix metering, and TTL flash, to be a killer MF body. Essentially, a ZX-5n without autofocus. -Mat Maybe pentax should just try updating the zx-m/mz-m to have a

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-02 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
Which tells you nothing about real world, day in day out usage. Since I take pictures with cameras, and not spec sheets, pictures of viewfinders don't tell me what I need to know. This is why I tend to agree with folks that think someone has to use a camera for 6 months before they can make rea

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-02 Thread frank theriault
Dirty and grouchy! Sometimes that's a good combination, if the conditions are right (which they aren't ). -frank Caveman wrote: > Frank, it looks like you're in a dirty mood this evening ;-) > -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J.

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-02 Thread Alan Chan
Oh boy...! regards, Alan Chan I think there's a dirty joke in ~there~, too! > Unfortunately, they don't have the screws in Canada. :-( _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-02 Thread Caveman
Frank, it looks like you're in a dirty mood this evening ;-) frank theriault wrote: I think there's a dirty joke in ~there~, too! -frank Alan Chan wrote: Unfortunately, they don't have the screws in Canada. :-( regards, Alan Chan __

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-02 Thread Caveman
al Message - From: "Caveman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 19:48 Subject: Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question) It takes me 5 minutes to check where the AF focus points on the "modern AF Canon or Nikon" are.

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-02 Thread frank theriault
I think there's a dirty joke in ~there~, too! -frank Alan Chan wrote: > Unfortunately, they don't have the screws in Canada. :-( > > regards, > Alan Chan > > _ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mca

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-02 Thread frank theriault
Pentax isn't making much money on used K1000's and MX's these days. a proud MX owner, frank (god, I'm in a grouchy mood tonight! ) Daniel Liu wrote: > They've already got the niche for students. > Most i know use either that or the k1000, one lucky girl i know uses an > mx and won't touch anyth

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-02 Thread Alan Chan
Pentax will say it's "manually assembled so that's normal and it is within factory specs" etc. Sounds familiar. :-) I'd say replace the screws with new good lookin' ones and put it on e-bay ;-) Unfortunately, they don't have the screws in Canada. :-( regards, Alan Chan __

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-02 Thread Herb Chong
Subject: Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question) > It takes me 5 minutes to check where the AF focus points on the "modern > AF Canon or Nikon" are. If you need a few years for noticing where they > are, then you're probably thinking slower than my smoke

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-02 Thread Caveman
Alan Chan wrote: What bothers me (recently) is that with all the Pentax FA lenses that I have purchased lately, picking the "perfect" one was like buying a lottery. I am sure you guys are sick of hearing me complaining about the FA*200/2.8 that I purchased late last year. I'm fresh audience (I w

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-02 Thread Alan Chan
What bothers me (recently) is that with all the Pentax FA lenses that I have purchased lately, picking the "perfect" one was like buying a lottery. I am sure you guys are sick of hearing me complaining about the FA*200/2.8 that I purchased late last year. And now my friend purchased a FA31/1.8 f

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-02 Thread brooksdj
> Well, I'll say this much: i'm a teenager, and just got a super program > (on the cheap) as an upgrade to my mom's a3000. Works fine for me. > > Maybe pentax should just try updating the zx-m/mz-m to have a few (not > too many!) more features. They've a

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-02 Thread Caveman
It takes me 5 minutes to check where the AF focus points on the "modern AF Canon or Nikon" are. If you need a few years for noticing where they are, then you're probably thinking slower than my smoke blowin' a**. Bruce Rubenstein wrote: When you've actually owned a modern AF Canon or Nikon for a

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-02 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
When you've actually owned a modern AF Canon or Nikon for a few years, come back and tell us about the results. Right now you're just blowing smoke out your ass. BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - with af you have a small number of selection point, grouped near the image center; the accuracy is be

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-02 Thread Caveman
Bruce Rubenstein wrote: My AF cameras allow me to pick what spot I want in focus in a quick, easy fashion. So does my MF camera. I turn a ring until the exact point I want comes into focus. The whole difference is that: - with mf you have a really huge number of selection points, spread across

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-02 Thread Dag T
Nothing? The disadvantage of the existing concept of AF is that someone else decided what part of the picture should be in focus, and making it cumbersome to decide otherwise. That´s why I like to focus on the screen, while composing the picture. DagT På søndag, 1. juni 2003, kl. 23:30, sk

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-02 Thread Caveman
Dunno. It's a nice to have option. Also all but some very special Pentax current production lenses for 35mm cameras are AF. I just want to enter a shop, check the gear, and buy it new, with 14 days return policy, 1 year guarantee and so on. Guess what. I usually can choose between a nice select

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-02 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
What does ht AF performance of one camera have to do with the concept of AF? BR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A student from the high school I recently retired from went out with his mentor from the local newspaper. The student used a Canon D30. Before his outing he had always shot in AF with th3

Re: Pentax bashing (was Re: another 31 Limited question)

2003-06-02 Thread Jim Apilado
A student from the high school I recently retired from went out with his mentor from the local newspaper. The student used a Canon D30. Before his outing he had always shot in AF with th3 D30, which is noted for not having very good AF. The pro told him to use manual focus for a lot of his shot