Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-05 Thread John Sessoms
It's old enough that it does NOT have a catalytic convertor for someone to steal isn't it? On 3/5/2024 2:37 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Thank you, Larry. Hmm. My Lancia is a 1967 model ... I seem to recall the Alfa Romeo type 105 chassis replaced the Giulia Sprint and its siblings, starting a

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-05 Thread Bill
On 3/4/2024 3:53 AM, Bob W PDML wrote: On 3 Mar 2024, at 17:45, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: Am 03.03.24 um 18:29 schrieb Bill: I was quite surprised that it is a vertical half frame, but the logic behind that decision is that a vertical format is what the target market is already comfortable

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-05 Thread Larry Colen
> On Mar 4, 2024, at 11:37 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > Thank you, Larry. > > Hmm. My Lancia is a 1967 model ... I seem to recall the Alfa Romeo type 105 > chassis replaced the Giulia Sprint and its siblings, starting around 1965 or > 1966, but I'd have to look them up to be certain. Doe

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-05 Thread Bob W PDML
 > On 5 Mar 2024, at 01:48, John Sessoms wrote: > I'd play with film more if I had a reliable place to get it processed. I tried several UK labs a couple of years ago when I restarted with film. Most of them were disappointing but I have found two that provide a very good service. One of them

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-05 Thread Bob W PDML
> On 5 Mar 2024, at 07:38, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > > […] > > My Fulvia's muffler > […] If that’s not the start of a Frankie Howerd joke then I’m a Vestal Virgin. https://youtu.be/SKphHvvvNSs?si=CZcXsrSOaB9lQmco -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to p

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-05 Thread Steve Cottrell
Cheaper to peg a playing card to the fender ;-) Cot > On 5 Mar 2024, at 07:37, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > So I've ordered an Abarth system to replace the stock exhaust and give the > car a little more aural character ... the stock Fulvia Coupé exhaust is > rather quiet, but that little V4 ma

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Thank you, Larry. Hmm. My Lancia is a 1967 model ... I seem to recall the Alfa Romeo type 105 chassis replaced the Giulia Sprint and its siblings, starting around 1965 or 1966, but I'd have to look them up to be certain. Doesn't matter really ... the Giulia Sprint and Guiletta Spider are lovel

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-04 Thread John Sessoms
If you read along with the English subtitles, he says they interviewed a lot of young people to find out what THEY wanted in a film camera. Face it Larry, you're "over the hill". On 3/3/2024 3:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Mar 3, 2024, at 9:29 AM, Bill wrote: On 3/3/2024 9:04 AM, Comcast

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-04 Thread John Sessoms
Target market is YOUNG PEOPLE, not veteran photographers. On 3/3/2024 10:04 AM, Comcast wrote: As a medium, film suffers in comparison to digital in that it is less capable of low light reproduction and when pushed, image quality drops precipitously. The solution has always been larger formats

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-04 Thread John Sessoms
I'd play with film more if I had a reliable place to get it processed. On 3/3/2024 4:01 AM, Henk Terhell wrote: More news on the Pentax film camera: https://youtu.be/xqRQTOkhOJU?si=PssAjafiIoYaxbuW As for me, with a least a dozen film camera's accumulating dust on the shelf is not fair to thes

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-04 Thread lrc
On March 4, 2024 3:08:47 PM PST, Bill wrote: > >On 3/4/2024 3:15 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: >> >> As long as this camera keeps them happy for, say, half a year or 4 rolls of >> film until it ends up in a drawer with all their other no longer fashionable >> gadgets, it certainly will fit t

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-04 Thread Ralf R Radermacher
Am 05.03.24 um 00:08 schrieb Bill: That would make it's usage identical to probably 95% of all cameras ever sold. Right enough. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Fotos : https://

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-04 Thread Bill
On 3/4/2024 3:15 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: As long as this camera keeps them happy for, say, half a year or 4 rolls of film until it ends up in a drawer with all their other no longer fashionable gadgets, it certainly will fit the bill. Ralf That would make it's usage identical to pro

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-04 Thread Larry Colen
> On Mar 4, 2024, at 8:06 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > Minox 35... I still have my Minox 35GT-E, which I purchased new in 1998. It > is a lovely camera and has made many great photos for me. I've currently got > it loaded with some Tri-X and may take it on my two-week excursion to the > R

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-04 Thread Ralf R Radermacher
Am 04.03.24 um 21:16 schrieb Marco Alpert: I guess my question on this is how long these theoretical young folks will continue to find waiting anywhere from a few days to a week to even see what they’ve shot “fun" My guess would be as long as they take to find the next new big thing. This is

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-04 Thread Marco Alpert
I guess my question on this is how long these theoretical young folks will continue to find waiting anywhere from a few days to a week to even see what they’ve shot “fun.” Given the apparent popularity of the Fuji Instax cameras, absolute image quality is not necessarily a big requirement for th

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-04 Thread Ralf R Radermacher
Am 04.03.24 um 19:38 schrieb Stanley Halpin: I had “2 to 3 Minox 35…” I remember for sure it was at least 2. I had one, it was fine, a newer model was introduced with some feature that intrigued me, I think the camera store gave me a trade-in discount when I bought the 2nd. Ah, I see. The 35G

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-04 Thread Stanley Halpin
I had “2 to 3 Minox 35…” I remember for sure it was at least 2. I had one, it was fine, a newer model was introduced with some feature that intrigued me, I think the camera store gave me a trade-in discount when I bought the 2nd. It seems that there might have been a 3rd, but I don’t have the re

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-04 Thread Ralf R Radermacher
Am 04.03.24 um 16:06 schrieb Stanley Halpin: I had 2-3 different Minox 35 GT 35mm cameras many years ago. 2 to 3 because they kept failing? My 35GT has been repaired a few times because of shutter probs until I eventually gave up on it. Still, a lovely little camera and capable of great resu

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-04 Thread Alan C
Exactly! On 04-Mar-24 05:59 PM, Bob W PDML wrote: On 4 Mar 2024, at 15:42, Alan C wrote: It's not going to be a horizontal half frame, that would just be plain silly. There were a couple of quick teasers in the video. Portrait format like a 'phone camera. IMHO it will be standard film advan

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Minox 35... I still have my Minox 35GT-E, which I purchased new in 1998. It is a lovely camera and has made many great photos for me. I've currently got it loaded with some Tri-X and may take it on my two-week excursion to the Right Coast tomorrow. Regards terminology, cameras like this, the Ro

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-04 Thread Bob W PDML
> On 4 Mar 2024, at 15:42, Alan C wrote: > > It's not going to be a horizontal half frame, that would just be plain > silly. There were a couple of quick teasers in the video. Portrait format > like a 'phone camera. IMHO it will be standard film advance, but half a frame > at a time. It seems

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-04 Thread Alan C
It's not going to be a horizontal half frame, that would just be plain silly. There were a couple of quick teasers in the video. Portrait format like a 'phone camera. IMHO it will be standard film advance, but half a frame at a time. It seems to me it will be like a digital compact with film re

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-04 Thread Stanley Halpin
I had 2-3 different Minox 35 GT 35mm cameras many years ago. Many. I don’t know if it was the proper technical term, but I always thought it had a zone focus system. Depending on amount of light available, I set f/ to /5.6, 8/, or 1/11, usually used an ISO64 film, sometimes ISO200. Auto exposure

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-04 Thread Bob W PDML
> On 4 Mar 2024, at 10:16, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > > >> In the video he talks about using zone focusing on the camera. > > The only times I ever see this term is when people describe the way the > Horizon panoramic camera is focussed or rather isn't. It has no focussing > control. Instead

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-04 Thread Ralf R Radermacher
Am 04.03.24 um 10:53 schrieb Bob W PDML: Making the camera square would do away with that. In fact using a square negative 24x24 would give you 54 frames per roll. But it wouldn't look like what those youngsters expect a film camera to look like. In the video he talks about using zone focu

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-04 Thread Bob W PDML
> On 3 Mar 2024, at 17:45, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > > Am 03.03.24 um 18:29 schrieb Bill: >> I was quite surprised that it is a vertical half frame, but the logic behind >> that decision is that a vertical format is what the target market is already >> comfortable with. > > Making it a hor

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread Brian Walters
On 3/03/2024 8:01 pm, Henk Terhell wrote: More news on the Pentax film camera: https://youtu.be/xqRQTOkhOJU?si=PssAjafiIoYaxbuW As for me, with a least a dozen film camera's accumulating dust on the shelf is not fair to these to invest in a new one. Same here.  All of this discussion reminde

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread Bill
On 3/3/2024 4:25 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Very few of my fantasies are likely, that doesn't make them much less fun, it just means that they remain fantasies rather than becoming memories. You just described my experience with girls while I was a teenager. bill -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread Larry Colen
> On Mar 3, 2024, at 1:34 PM, Bill wrote: >> If Ricoh were really thinking outside the box, they would take a film SLR >> and replace the focusing screen with a sensor. The viewfinder would be >> electronic, and it would be able to take digital images either as proofs or >> cheap snaps, but

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread Bill
On 3/3/2024 2:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote: You mean that there are people who think that photography is actually fun? Some of us still do it for the joy of doing it rather than treating it as some sort of chore where we need to post one masterpiece per day in Instagram. I was quite surpr

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread Bill
On 3/3/2024 11:49 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: Am 03.03.24 um 18:39 schrieb Doug Brewer: Grain is indeed part of the allure. In an earlier life, I used to shoot expired Tri X at 3200 and process it in Diafine, mostly because it was cheap and simple. You don't get much grainier than that.

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread Larry Colen
> On Mar 3, 2024, at 9:29 AM, Bill wrote: > > > On 3/3/2024 9:04 AM, Comcast wrote: >> As a medium, film suffers in comparison to digital in that it is less >> capable of low light reproduction and when pushed, image quality drops >> precipitously. The solution has always been larger format

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread Ralf R Radermacher
Am 03.03.24 um 18:39 schrieb Doug Brewer: Grain is indeed part of the allure. In an earlier life, I used to shoot expired Tri X at 3200 and process it in Diafine, mostly because it was cheap and simple. You don't get much grainier than that. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Ge

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread Ralf R Radermacher
Am 03.03.24 um 18:29 schrieb Bill: I was quite surprised that it is a vertical half frame, but the logic behind that decision is that a vertical format is what the target market is already comfortable with. Making it a horizontal half frame would mean transporting the film from top to bottom

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread Doug Brewer
Grain is indeed part of the allure. On 3/3/24 10:51 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: Am 03.03.24 um 16:16 schrieb Bob W PDML: Yes. You’re not part of the target market. It’s aimed at young people who are using it for fun. If shooting grainy photos is fun then let them have it. :-) Ralf -- %(r

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread Bill
On 3/3/2024 9:04 AM, Comcast wrote: As a medium, film suffers in comparison to digital in that it is less capable of low light reproduction and when pushed, image quality drops precipitously. The solution has always been larger formats. My best film work was generally on 6x7 or 6x6 film. Hal

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread Darren Addy
My take is this: Pentax has a history of zigging while others are zagging.The demographic of the majority of those getting into film today are people who have been raised knowing nothing but digital - those to whom film is something new and different. (It's the Dr. Seuss book Star-Bellied Sneetches

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread mike wilson
> On 03/03/2024 15:04 GMT Comcast wrote: > > > As a medium, film suffers in comparison to digital in that it is less capable > of low light reproduction and when pushed, image quality drops precipitously. > The solution has always been larger formats. My best film work was generally > on 6x

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread Ralf R Radermacher
Am 03.03.24 um 16:16 schrieb Bob W PDML: Yes. You’re not part of the target market. It’s aimed at young people who are using it for fun. If shooting grainy photos is fun then let them have it. :-) Ralf -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email topdml-le...@pdml.

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread Bob W PDML
> Am I missing something here? Yes. You’re not part of the target market. It’s aimed at young people who are using it for fun. > On 3 Mar 2024, at 15:07, Comcast wrote: > > As a medium, film suffers in comparison to digital in that it is less > capable of low light reproduction and when push

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread Comcast
As a medium, film suffers in comparison to digital in that it is less capable of low light reproduction and when pushed, image quality drops precipitously. The solution has always been larger formats. My best film work was generally on 6x7 or 6x6 film. Half a f a 35 mm frame has no appeal whatso

Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera

2024-03-03 Thread Steve Cottrell
More on PetaPixel: https://petapixel.com/2024/02/29/pentaxs-brand-new-film-camera-will-lauch-this-summer/ > On 3 Mar 2024, at 09:01, Henk Terhell wrote: > > More news on the Pentax film camera: > https://youtu.be/xqRQTOkhOJU?si=PssAjafiIoYaxbuW > > As for me, with a least a dozen film camera