Re: OT: Roman burger recipe ( Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-17 Thread mike wilson
Bob W wrote: The British Museum publishes a series of modernised ancient recipe books. It's very interesting to try them out. Are they available online? Googlus amicus tuus est. Sample recipes: http://www.britishmuseum.co.uk/text.asp?page=recipe+1#R4

Re: OT: Roman burger recipe ( Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-17 Thread mike wilson
Bob W wrote: The British Museum publishes a series of modernised ancient recipe books. It's very interesting to try them out. Are they available online? Googlus amicus tuus est. For anyone else interested: http://www.britishmuseum.co.uk/shops.asp?cat=101

Re: OT: Roman burger recipe ( Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-17 Thread mike wilson
Bob W wrote: It's a classic "dip into" book. I must try to get an original copy; mine is a paperback of dubious quality that I suspect will not last much longer. Déjà vu. I bought a copy of 'Steve McCurry' by Anthony Bannon yesterday. The bookseller went into a hymn of praise about the qu

RE: OT: Roman burger recipe ( Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-17 Thread Bob W
> > It's a classic "dip into" book. I must try to get an > original copy; mine is a paperback of dubious quality that I > suspect will not last much longer. > Déjà vu. I bought a copy of 'Steve McCurry' by Anthony Bannon yesterday. The bookseller went into a hymn of praise about the quality o

Re: OT: Roman burger recipe ( Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-17 Thread mike wilson
Bob W wrote: I shall have a look through that tomorrow - it looks fascinating. It's a classic "dip into" book. I must try to get an original copy; mine is a paperback of dubious quality that I suspect will not last much longer. The British Museum publishes a series of modernised ancient

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-16 Thread Bob Blakely
From: "Mishka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> those who are "pissed eagles" are safe either in armored cars, or in the middle of nowhere. pretty convenient. This is an error in logic commonly called a "Hasty generalization" (Secundum quid). Land Rovers are not (commonly) armored and mine is factory st

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-16 Thread pnstenquist
A number of upscale eateries, including one somewhat toney place in NY, the name of which I've forgotten, serve upscale versions of White Castle Burgers, or "sliders" as their commonly called. The combination of the sauted onions, thin burger, and pickle slice can be quite goood when prepared ju

RE: OT: Roman burger recipe ( Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-16 Thread Bob W
I shall have a look through that tomorrow - it looks fascinating. The British Museum publishes a series of modernised ancient recipe books. It's very interesting to try them out. -- Cheers, Bob > -Original Message- > From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You might like thi

Re: OT: Roman burger recipe ( Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-16 Thread mike wilson
not very good. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: P. J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 July 2005 00:32 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update Well something like them has been, but what I had in Englan

Re: OT: Roman burger recipe ( Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-16 Thread P. J. Alling
J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 July 2005 00:32 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update Well something like them has been, but what I had in England wasn't even close, and I'm not a big fan of McDonnalds.

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-16 Thread Graywolf
White Tower hamburgers were better. Same size on a round bun (actually they were bigger (3 bites). 12 for a buck. But those were walk in fast food places for pedestrians (You stopped off after getting off the trolly and carried them the rest of the way home) When the last pedestrian died they w

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-16 Thread keithw
Shel Belinkoff wrote: White Castle burgers were often called "belly bombs" . But what can you expect for an 8-cent burger (yes, that's what they cost at one time!) Shel Yeah, 8¢, but remember they were not much bigger than a 50¢ piece! More than once I got their 6 for a quarter, or whatev

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-16 Thread Shel Belinkoff
White Castle burgers were often called "belly bombs" . But what can you expect for an 8-cent burger (yes, that's what they cost at one time!) Shel > [Original Message] > From: John Francis > Anyone who considers McDonalds to be the nadir of bad hamburgers > has never sampled the culinary d

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-16 Thread John Francis
On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 06:12:42AM +0100, Cotty wrote: > On 15/7/05, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >I had hamburgers in England before the advent of McDonalds there... > >Are you sure about that? > > Yes. Anyone who considers McDonalds to be the nadir of bad hamburgers has nev

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-16 Thread Cotty
On 16/7/05, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed: >So are you going to the one across the street (Oxford St.?) from the Pret, >or the one out by the round-a-bout? Oh, there's a small one near the TV studio in Abingdon. The class of student they have in there beggars belief. I think one of the

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-16 Thread Bob Sullivan
So are you going to the one across the street (Oxford St.?) from the Pret, or the one out by the round-a-bout? (Just remember, if there's time to lean, there's time to clean.) Regards, Bob S. On 7/16/05, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 15/7/05, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed: >

OT: Roman burger recipe ( Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-16 Thread Bob W
: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update > > Well something like them has been, but what I had in England > wasn't even close, and I'm not a big fan of McDonnalds. >

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread Cotty
On 15/7/05, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed: >Big Macs have been known to grow hair on your head... Just off to my job interview at the local McD's :-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com __

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread Cotty
On 15/7/05, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: >I had hamburgers in England before the advent of McDonalds there... >Are you sure about that? Yes. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Bob Sullivan" Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update Cotty, Big Macs have been known to grow hair on your head... Wasn't that one of the slogans early on? WW

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread Bob Sullivan
Cotty, Big Macs have been known to grow hair on your head... Regards, Bob S. On 7/15/05, Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 15/7/05, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >What is bleak about England and how is that attributed to the USA? > > I concede. > > McDonalds. > > > > > C

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread Mishka
On 7/15/05, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >that you better shut up, talking about "collateral damage". > > Or what or you miay find it difficult to cope if (god forbid) someone close to you becomes one. i think this is a really lame euphemism for "kids we killed and don't gi

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread Kenneth Waller
entax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update that you better shut up, talking about "collateral damage". mishka On 7/15/05, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >ever been one? > > There's alot I ha

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread Mishka
unfortunately, it's people who are very unhappy with the current situation who are paying the consequences. like in nyc, london and madrid. those who are "pissed eagles" are safe either in armored cars, or in the middle of nowhere. pretty convenient. mishka On 7/15/05, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTEC

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread Mishka
nal Message- > From: Mishka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update > > ever been one? > > mishka > > On 7/14/05, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ever hear of colateral damage? > > > > Kenneth Waller

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread Bob Blakely
I think he's saying maybe McD's didn't make it worse. Regards, Bob... - "The art of taxation consists in so plucking the goose as to obtain the largest possible amount of feathers with the smallest possible amount of hissing." - Jean

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread P. J. Alling
From: P. J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 July 2005 00:10 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update I had hamburgers in England before the advent of McDonalds there... Are you sure about that? Cotty wrote: On 15/7/

RE: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread Bob W
Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update > > I had hamburgers in England before the advent of McDonalds there... > Are you sure about that? > > Cotty wrote: > > >On 15/7/05, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, unleashed: > > > > > > > &g

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread P. J. Alling
I had hamburgers in England before the advent of McDonalds there... Are you sure about that? Cotty wrote: On 15/7/05, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, unleashed: What is bleak about England and how is that attributed to the USA? I concede. McDonalds. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ ||

RE: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread Bob W
I wish I'd thought of that! -- Cheers, Bob > -Original Message- > From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On 15/7/05, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >What is bleak about England and how is that attributed to the USA? > > I concede. > > McDonalds.

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread Bob Blakely
Freedom is not free and it's not a capital asset. Each generation must pay its price for liberty. We took the hit with Pearl Harbor and our merchant marine took the hit supplying Briton during WWII. We were aware that the consequences of stopping Hiro Hito and Hitler would be the taking of hund

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread Cotty
On 15/7/05, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, unleashed: >What is bleak about England and how is that attributed to the USA? I concede. McDonalds. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Bob Blakely" Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update No one here is whining. We're mad as hell AND doing something about it - and we're not asking your permission - and we're never going to. Get use

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread Bob Blakely
inister of finance to French King Louis XIV - Original Message - From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax Discuss" Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 10:13 AM Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update - Original Message ---

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Bob Blakely" Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update Exactly what is it about what any other country allied with the USA which is really not their own responsibility and choice? Uhh Bob, you guys tie a lo

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread Bob Blakely
Ah... right... From: "Kevin Waterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What I fear as an Australian is not so much the Taliban, Al Queada etc it is America. Look at countries that have been allies of the USA in the past. They look rather bleak now when they were so well before being allied to the USofA[sic]

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread Kenneth Waller
Believe what you want to believe. Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Kevin Waterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update This one time, at band camp, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > These effe

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-15 Thread Kenneth Waller
>ever been one? There's alot I haven't been. What's your pount? Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Mishka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update ever been one? mishka On 7/14/05, Kenneth Waller &

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-14 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > These effects (killing of noncombatants in Baghdad) were secondary to the > intended action (ridding the country of Saddam government). All for a few drops of oil, unless you really believe the WMD story. > I don't believe

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-14 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Bob Blakely" Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update Damn, Willie! I'd only hate ya for 90 seconds. My attention span isn't any longer... What were we arguing about? Were we arguing? William Robb

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-14 Thread Mishka
ever been one? mishka On 7/14/05, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ever hear of colateral damage? > > Kenneth Waller

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-14 Thread Kenneth Waller
one who wants to kill others and doesn't mind killing himself in the process. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update > > - Original Message - &

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-14 Thread Bob Blakely
h the smallest possible amount of hissing." - Jean-Baptiste Colbert, minister of finance to French King Louis XIV From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Original Message - From: "Kenneth Waller" Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: L

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-14 Thread Bob Blakely
sible amount of feathers with the smallest possible amount of hissing." - Jean-Baptiste Colbert, minister of finance to French King Louis XIV From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Original Message - From: "Bob Blakely" Subject: Re: OT OT OT --

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-14 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Bob Blakely" Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update You're being obtuse, Willie. Try just saying what you think. I have too many friends of the American persuasion on list (you included, oh Bombastic

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-14 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Kenneth Waller" Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update Ever hear of colateral damage? Thats when a suicide bomber kills 18 children to get the 3 servicemen he was after, right? William Robb

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-14 Thread Kenneth Waller
tion of killing innocents. Sorry, but in war things get broken and people are killed (sometimes innocent people). Sorry if my message wasn't clearly stated. Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Bob Blakely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-14 Thread Bob Blakely
unt of hissing." - Jean-Baptiste Colbert, minister of finance to French King Louis XIV From: "Kenneth Waller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ever hear of colateral damage? Kenneth Waller From: Kevin Waterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-14 Thread Kenneth Waller
Ever hear of colateral damage? Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Kevin Waterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update This one time, at band camp, "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The word

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-14 Thread Bob Blakely
Hmm... So you are saying that the Americans chose to instill terror in the noncombatant Iraqi populous by targeting and destroying innocents such as children, students, and the general Iraqi population irrespective of their politics concerning Sadam's regime, and it was America's intention to

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-14 Thread Bob Blakely
of hissing." - Jean-Baptiste Colbert, minister of finance to French King Louis XIV From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: "Bob Blakely" Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update The word "terrorist" is used to

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-14 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The word > "terrorist" is used to denote a person who chooses to instill terror in a > noncombatant populous by destroying innocents such as children, students, > and or a general population regardless of their populous. I

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-14 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Bob Blakely" Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update The word "terrorist" is used to denote a person who chooses to instill terror in a noncombatant populous by destroying innocents such as children

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-14 Thread Jostein
-- From: "Bob Blakely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 7:06 AM Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update There's a lot of nonsense going on here wherein some folks are saying that the word "terrorist" is being used

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Doug Franklin
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:06:46 -0700, Bob Blakely wrote: > The word "terrorist" is used to denote a person who chooses to > instill terror in a noncombatant populous by destroying innocents > such as children, students, and or a general population regardless > of their populous. It's a function of

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Bob Blakely
possible amount of hissing." - Jean-Baptiste Colbert, minister of finance to French King Louis XIV - Original Message - From: "D. Glenn Arthur Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 7:46 PM Subject: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bomb

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update I don't want to get involved in this argument can you guys please take it off list. Hopefully, it's run it's course. William Robb

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! > that's *exactly* what i meant. > > best, > mishka Natural'no. V konce koncov u nas odin i tot zhe assembler :-). Translation: Naturally. After all we share the same assembly :-) Guys, Bill, Paul, et al, please take your very discussion off-list. Thanks. -- Boris

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread David Savage
> Paul > On Jul 12, 2005, at 11:59 PM, William Robb wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- Wrom: GVCJVTLBXF > > Subject: Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update > > > > > >> I want to hear you say that after they have killed some of

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Joaquim Carvalho
On Wed, 2005-07-13 at 12:32, William Robb wrote: > We've seen what you do to countries that you consider a threat. or not

Re: Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread David Savage
On 7/13/05, mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Wrom: NKMBIPBARHDMNNSKVFVWRKJVZCMHVIBG > > Date: 2005/07/13 Wed AM 03:25:23 GMT > > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > > Subject: Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update > > > > I wa

GETTING BACK ON TOPIC: RE: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Glenn, If I didn't know better, I'd think you might be a conservative. Hopefully Useful History: Even during WWII the US, in a legitimate & moral war, used large-scale terror tactics 4 times (that I'm familiar with). Hiroshima, Nagasaki, fire-bombing Tokyo, and bombing the civilian target Dres

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread P. J. Alling
I don't want to get involved in this argument can you guys please take it off list. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "D. Glenn Arthur Jr." Subject: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update A soldier attacks the enemy and the enemy&#x

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Cotty
BOYS Lets try and keep the peace around here. Cory, three Hail Mary's and an Our Father for you. This is the PDML, not the OTAML. I feel responsible because I posted an update on the London angle - please find your favourite news page for further updates. So that's a cat'o'nine tails for m

Re: Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "mike wilson" Subject: Re: Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update From: Graywolf Subject: Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update I want to hear you say that after they have killed some of your family and friends just be

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" Subject: Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update I don't think it's Tom who doesn't have a clue. I only have to look at where this comes from. A country that bears no responsibility for what happens in th

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Paul Stenquist
hw" Subject: Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update Not really... Terrorists attack seemingly indiscriminately, Russia, Israel, the U.S., England, France, Spain...literally everywhere! These people hate everyone. They are not partisans...think about it. They are mad dogs and deserve to be shot

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread keithw
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "keithw" Subject: Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update Not really... Terrorists attack seemingly indiscriminately, Russia, Israel, the U.S., England, France, Spain...literally everywhere! These people hate ever

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Paul Stenquist
But it's not out of line for Bill to suggest that the terrorist attacks are a reasoned response to UK and American policies? Nor is it out of line to tell Tom that "he doesn't have a clue." My response was long overdue, but it's all I have to say. You won't hear any more from me. Paul On Jul 13

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Mishka
that's *exactly* what i meant. best, mishka On 7/13/05, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > would say in Russian, "One who pays, orders the music"... > > I don't believe in randomness or arbitrarity in modern world... > > Again, like you said, this is just an observation, I am not try

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread cbwaters
l Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 6:33 AM Subject: Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update I don't think it's Tom who doesn't have a clue. I only have to look at where this comes from. A country that bears no responsibility for wh

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread keithw
D. Glenn Arthur Jr. wrote: Keith wrote: Mishka wrote: > the difference between "terrorists" and > "freedom fighters" (or "partisans", "resistance", > and so forth) has always been arbitrary. > > best, > mishka Not really... Terrorists attack seemingly indiscriminately, Russia, Israel, the U

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Tom Reese
Paul Stenquist wrote: I don't think it's Tom who doesn't have a clue. I only have to look at where this comes from. A country that bears no responsibility for what happens in the word. A country that is for all practical purposes a protectorate of the United States. A country that regularly di

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Paul Stenquist
rages the very nation they depend on for defense and almost everything else. It's easy to look down from the ivory tower when you have no burden to bear. Paul On Jul 12, 2005, at 11:59 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "Graywolf" Subject: Re: Definitions

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread Tom Reese
Mishka wrote: how about bombing shit out of a city (say, dresden) with conventional bombs? how about "shock and awe"? why do we say, killing a few dozen on a bus (or a few hundred in a business tower) is terrorism, while killing same hundreds in an air strike is "collateral damage"? how about kil

Re: Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread mike wilson
> > From: Graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2005/07/13 Wed AM 03:25:23 GMT > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update > > I want to hear you say that after they have killed some of your family and > friends just bec

Re: OT: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread mike wilson
> > From: "cbwaters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2005/07/12 Tue PM 09:48:32 GMT > To: > Subject: OT: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update > > In my view Bob, a "freedom fighter" is more of a paramilitary figure. One > who might bomb but

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-13 Thread dagt
Depending on who writes the history books and dominant newspapers. DagT > fra: Mishka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > emne: Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update > > the difference between "terrorists" and > "freedom fighters" (or "partisans&q

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-12 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "Graywolf" Subject: Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update I want to hear you say that after they have killed some of your family and friends just because they happened to be where ever they were at the time. Tom, you really haven'

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-12 Thread Mishka
how about bombing shit out of a city (say, dresden) with conventional bombs? how about "shock and awe"? why do we say, killing a few dozen on a bus (or a few hundred in a business tower) is terrorism, while killing same hundreds in an air strike is "collateral damage"? how about killing civilian co

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-12 Thread Doug Franklin
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:57:59 +0200, Boris Liberman wrote: > [...] terms restrict the mindset of general population to a > very specific boundaries... Language constrains thought. That fact can be used against unwary listeners. Many techniques of propaganda and advertising rely on this effect.

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-12 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! I am not argoing pro or against "these people". Their actions speak for themselves. All I am saying is that the labels has been applied to them, depending on who's talking, pretty much indescriminately. -- WWII partisans have been called "bandits" and "terrorists" in Europe recently -- U

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-12 Thread Mishka
I am not argoing pro or against "these people". Their actions speak for themselves. All I am saying is that the labels has been applied to them, depending on who's talking, pretty much indescriminately. -- WWII partisans have been called "bandits" and "terrorists" in Europe recently -- Ukrainian

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-12 Thread Graywolf
- William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "keithw" Subject: Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update Not really... Terrorists attack seemingly indiscriminately, Russia, Israel, the U.S., England, France, Spain...literally everywhere! These people hate everyone. They are

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-12 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "D. Glenn Arthur Jr." Subject: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update A soldier attacks the enemy and the enemy's resources in an attempt to destroy said enemy or force him to withdraw. Violence is directed at accom

Re: OT OT OT -- Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-12 Thread Doug Franklin
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:46:05 -0400 (EDT), D. Glenn Arthur Jr. wrote: > Yours for more precise speech, Dear God, how would the press and politicians survive if that caught on? :-) TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-12 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "keithw" Subject: Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update Not really... Terrorists attack seemingly indiscriminately, Russia, Israel, the U.S., England, France, Spain...literally everywhere! These people hate everyone. They are not

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2005-07-12 Thread D. Glenn Arthur Jr.
Keith wrote: > Mishka wrote: > > the difference between "terrorists" and > > "freedom fighters" (or "partisans", "resistance", > > and so forth) has always been arbitrary. > > > > best, > > mishka > > Not really... > Terrorists attack seemingly indiscriminately, Russia, Israel, the U.S., >

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-12 Thread keithw
Mishka wrote: > the difference between "terrorists" and > "freedom fighters" (or "partisans", "resistance", > and so forth) has always been arbitrary. > > best, > mishka Not really... Terrorists attack seemingly indiscriminately, Russia, Israel, the U.S., England, France, Spain...literally every

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-12 Thread Mishka
the difference between "terrorists" and "freedom fighters" (or "partisans", "resistance", and so forth) has always been arbitrary. best, mishka On 7/12/05, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - Original Message ----- > Fro

Re: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-12 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: "cbwaters" Subject: OT: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update In my view Bob, a "freedom fighter" is more of a paramilitary figure. One who might bomb but would hit a target with some military or strategic value. These ***kers b

OT: Definitions WAS Re: London Bombing update

2005-07-12 Thread cbwaters
In my view Bob, a "freedom fighter" is more of a paramilitary figure. One who might bomb but would hit a target with some military or strategic value. These ***kers bombed non-combatants on the subway/bus. Their action was intended to cause chaos and suffering among the populace. Whatever thei