Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-sbom-access-06.txt

2022-09-03 Thread tom petch
From: Eliot Lear Sent: Friday, September 02, 2022 17:59 Hi Tom, Just on this one point: On 02.09.22 18:05, tom petch wrote: > does 'http' match the pattern 'https?' ? It should. However, some of the validators have some difficulty on (expr1)|(expr2)|(expr3).* because th

Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-sbom-access-07.txt

2022-09-07 Thread tom petch
https not http Tom Petch Eliot On 02.09.22 18:57, internet-dra...@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Operations and Management Area

Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-sbom-access-07.txt

2022-09-07 Thread tom petch
Separately From: Eliot Lear Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2022 12:32 On 07.09.22 12:02, tom petch wrote: > From: OPSAWG on behalf of Eliot Lear > Sent: 02 September 2022 18:03 > > This addresses Tom Petch's comments. > > > > W

Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-sbom-access-07.txt

2022-09-07 Thread tom petch
From: Michael Richardson Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2022 14:51 tom petch wrote: > web should be https not http There are lots of reasons why a self-hosted SBOM might have to be HTTP. Indeed, but my original comment, April I think, was that http://tools,ietf.org should be ht

Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-sbom-access-08.txt

2022-09-12 Thread tom petch
the I-D, I get told the document is available for a lot of Swiss francs. Tom Petch A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Operations and Management Area Working Group WG of the IETF. Title : Disco

Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-sbom-access-09.txt

2022-09-14 Thread tom petch
get it back, hence my reference to Henk and November 2021 hoping that that would be enough clues for others to find what I was referring to. Tom Petch Viele Grüße, Henk On 13.09.22 12:26, Eliot Lear wrote: > The only change from this version is the pointer to a free version of >

Re: [OPSAWG] 🔔 WG Last Call for draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-tls-07

2022-09-15 Thread tom petch
ned module which by then will have been obsolete for some time and almost certainly wrong. Hence an IANA-maintained module should always be published on its own. Tom Petch For the OPSAWG co-chairs, Henk ___ OPSAWG mailing list OPSAWG@ietf.org ht

Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-yang-vpn-service-pm-09

2022-09-15 Thread tom petch
get what I have learnt from this thread and read the revised I-D to see if I find it any clearer but will probably end up with the same conclusion, this is two separate RFC. Tom Petch. Regards, Rob From: Wubo (lana) Sent: 15 September 2022 03:17 To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) ; draft-ietf-opsaw

Re: [OPSAWG] CALL FOR ADOPTION: RADIUS Extensions for Encrypted DNS

2022-09-15 Thread tom petch
'see section 6.2' where there is no mention of them. The IANA Guidelines RFC recommends a two-tier structure of Group and Registry. The Group(s) involved here could do with a mention. Tom Petch Thanks. Joe ___ OPSAWG mailing list OPSAW

Re: [OPSAWG] CALL FOR ADOPTION: RADIUS Extensions for Encrypted DNS

2022-09-16 Thread tom petch
t are TBA3 et al. meant to be assigned by IANA? If so , IANA should be told (good as IANA are as interpreting our sloppy work). Tom Petch Joe ___ OPSAWG mailing list OPSAWG@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg

Re: [OPSAWG] 🔔 WG Last Call for draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-tls-07

2022-09-16 Thread tom petch
et to. Authors can, and do, add a note to the effect that users should visit the IANA website, and give a URL, Such a note should always be present IMO. Tom Petch Designers of IANA-maintained modules MAY supply the full initial version of the module in a specification document tha

Re: [OPSAWG] CALL FOR ADOPTION: RADIUS Extensions for Encrypted DNS

2022-09-16 Thread tom petch
nk it will depend on who is Security AD at the time. Tom Petch ps I have found a send button, for better or worse -Tiru Cheers, Med > -Message d'origine- > De : OPSAWG mailto:opsawg-boun...@ietf.org>> De la > part de tom petch > Envoyé : vendredi 16 septem

Re: [OPSAWG] Last Call: (A YANG Model for Network and VPN Service Performance Monitoring) to Proposed Standard

2022-09-22 Thread tom petch
"Time units, where the options are s, ms, ns, etc."; This is taken from RFC8532 where the options are hours minutes seconds milliseconds microseconds nanoseconds. I think that the reader deserves a more accurate description. I see it as a clever idea to have one YANG module in two di

Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-yang-vpn-service-pm-09

2022-09-23 Thread tom petch
in as to whether or not it is just two concepts,, 'underlay networks and overlay VPN services' to quote the Abstract, or if there is more involved. From your discussion with the authors I think just two, but I do not find the body of the I-D clear on that. Tom Petch Cheers, Adrian -

Re: [OPSAWG] Last Call: (A YANG Model for Network and VPN Service Performance Monitoring) to Proposed Standard

2022-09-23 Thread tom petch
Thinking some more ... On 22/09/2022 12:24, tom petch wrote: On 20/09/2022 17:24, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from the Operations and Management Area Working Group WG (opsawg) to consider the following document: - 'A YANG Model for Network and VPN Service Perfor

Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-yang-vpn-service-pm-09

2022-09-26 Thread tom petch
the relationships? I do not know . It is the sort of uncertainty that some Genart reviewers are good at spotting so I will wait to see what else Last Call brings up. Tom Petch Thanks, Rob > -Original Message- > From: tom petch > Sent: 23 September 2022 12:20 > To: Ro

Re: [OPSAWG] SHEPHERD REVIEW: draft-ietf-opsawg-tlstm-update-07

2022-10-05 Thread tom petch
C1123], [RFC5890] etc ' Consistency with YANG would be good:-) Tom Petch Joe From: Kenneth Vaughn Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 at 10:37 To: Joe Clarke (jclarke) Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: SHEPHERD REVIEW: draft-ietf-opsawg-tlstm-update-07 I've updated the document; the only items

Re: [OPSAWG] 🔔 WG Last Call for draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-tls-07

2022-10-12 Thread tom petch
s tls-1.2? And is this the same as that which the Netconf WG refers to as tls12? Tom Petch For the OPSAWG co-chairs, Henk On 29.09.22 10:27, Henk Birkholz wrote: > Dear OPSAWG members, > > this email concludes the first WGLC call for > https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-o

Re: [OPSAWG] 🔔 WG Last Call for draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-tls-07

2022-10-13 Thread tom petch
From: Henk Birkholz Sent: 12 October 2022 14:07 To: tom petch; opsawg; draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-...@ietf.org; Thomas Fossati Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] 🔔 WG Last Call for draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-tls-07 Hi Tom, would it be possible for you to augment your first comment with change proposals, if possible

Re: [OPSAWG] 🔔 WG Last Call for draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-tls-07

2022-10-13 Thread tom petch
prefix of acl so I would see the augment as acl-tls and not ietf-acl-tls; but mud is ietf-mud (unfortunately:-( so the augment is perhaps better as ietf-mud-tls. Tom Petch Cheers, -Tiru On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 at 18:37, Henk Birkholz mailto:henk.birkh...@sit.fraunhofer.de>> wrote: Hi Tom, wo

Re: [OPSAWG] 🔔 WG Last Call for draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-tls-07

2022-10-14 Thread tom petch
From: tirumal reddy Sent: 14 October 2022 09:22 On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 at 16:55, tom petch mailto:ie...@btconnect.com>> wrote: From: tirumal reddy mailto:kond...@gmail.com>> Sent: 13 October 2022 07:57 Thanks Tom for the review. Yes, we will fix the references identified by Tom.

Re: [OPSAWG] 🔔 WG Last Call for draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-tls-07

2022-10-17 Thread tom petch
inline one minor editorial comment plus a technical one which I do not know the answer to. From: tirumal reddy Sent: 14 October 2022 14:01 On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 at 16:46, tom petch mailto:ie...@btconnect.com>> wrote: From: tirumal reddy mailto:kond...@gmail.com>> Sent: 14 Octobe

[OPSAWG] Augmenting ACLs in mud-tls

2022-10-17 Thread tom petch
draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-tls augments RFC8519 but while the RFC structures its matches as a series of choices, the augmentation does not. Should it? The I-D has passed WGLC but has been delayed by me making editorial comments. AFAICT the I-D has not had a YANG Doctor review. Tom Petch

Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-tls YANG Doctor review

2022-10-17 Thread tom petch
to me so I thought that someone had had a look at it even if the datatracker records no review. Tom Petch Cheers, thanks. t [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-tls/shepherdwriteup/ [2] https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/yang-doctors-review#Purpose -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: Th

Re: [OPSAWG] Augmenting ACLs in mud-tls

2022-10-17 Thread tom petch
From: Michael Richardson Sent: Monday, October 17, 2022 14:24 To: tom petch; Mahesh Jethanandani; net...@ietf.org; opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Augmenting ACLs in mud-tls tom petch wrote: > draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-tls augments RFC8519 but while the RFC > structures its matc

[OPSAWG] TACACS TLS 1.3 was Status of T+/TLS work

2022-11-03 Thread tom petch
x27;TCP/IP' is wrong. For me, this needs fixing first before e/g/ seeing if the challenges of TLS13 are met. Terminology needs to be consistent but it also needs to be accurate. The I-D does not say, but perhaps should, that nothing therein applies to TLS1.2 Tom Petch

Re: [OPSAWG] Last Call: (Service Assurance for Intent-based Networking Architecture) to Informational RFC

2022-11-07 Thread tom petch
ting. s.3.1.1 would be four pages long if we had pages but we don't. Perhaps worth splitting into more sub-sections although I cannot see any obvious place to make a split. Tom Petch Abstract This document describes an architecture that aims at assuring that service instances

Re: [OPSAWG] Last Call: (YANG Modules for Service Assurance) to Proposed Standard

2022-11-09 Thread tom petch
(device id, hostname, management IP) depends Is that an e.g. or an i.e.? s.5.3 leaf interface { type string; mandatory true; description "Name of the interface."; As above, unconstricted string. This could be a leafref in order to ref

Re: [OPSAWG] Last Call: (Service Assurance for Intent-based Networking Architecture) to Informational RFC

2022-11-09 Thread tom petch
, uniqueness, and constraints that that imposes on the choice thereof. Tom Petch Abstract This document describes an architecture that aims at assuring that service instances are running as expected. As services rely upon multiple sub-services provided by a variety of elements includin

Re: [OPSAWG] progressing the PCAP documents

2022-11-12 Thread tom petch
OPSAWG pages draft-gharris does not appear There are two other, perhaps related, I-D which appear draft-ietf-opsawg-pcap-01 dated 29jul22 author G Harris status Informational draft-richardson-opsawg-pcapng-extras-01 30jul22 Perhaps three minutes was not enough:-( Tom Petch (note that there was

Re: [OPSAWG] progressing the PCAP documents

2022-11-14 Thread tom petch
From: Michael Richardson Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2022 09:11 To: tom petch; opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] progressing the PCAP documents >>>>> OPSAWG on behalf of Michael Richardson >>>>> writes: > That is not what I see in the Datatracker

Re: [OPSAWG] Last Call: (YANG Modules for Service Assurance) to Proposed Standard

2022-12-12 Thread tom petch
instance with an unrestricted string seems onerous Tom Petch Best, Jean -Original Message- From: tom petch [mailto:daedu...@btconnect.com] Sent: Wednesday 9 November 2022 12:04 To: last-c...@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-opsawg-service-assurance-y...@ietf.org; opsawg@ietf.org; opsawg-cha

Re: [OPSAWG] Éric Vyncke's Discuss on draft-ietf-opsawg-service-assurance-yang-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2022-12-15 Thread tom petch
ely for this in future and will quote this comment in my support. Tom Petch From: OPSAWG on behalf of Eric Vyncke (evyncke) Sent: 15 December 2022 07:12 To: Jean Quilbeuf; The IESG Cc: draft-ietf-opsawg-service-assurance-y...@ietf.org; opsawg-cha...@ie

Re: [OPSAWG] [netmod] How many "digital twins" every single network should have? Who would map between "twins"?

2022-12-15 Thread tom petch
explanation of a digital twin and then saw that it is a research topic of the IRSG about which consensus has not been achieved. As such, I think it wrong for us to try and introduce it to YANG at this point in time Tom Petch First, As described in RFC8969 or RFC8309, LxSM service delivery model or

Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-sap-09

2022-12-19 Thread tom petch
tatus which is the 'Operational status of the service...' i.e. a SAP has only one service status so a SAP has only one service If there were more than one then oper-status would be a list keyed on service In passing /povider/provider/ Tom Petch The new text is available at: URL:

Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-sap-09

2022-12-19 Thread tom petch
is only a single service per SAP. Ah yes,I can see it now on page 10. I did not understand that from Abstract or Introduction. Tom Petch Regards, Rob > -Original Message----- > From: tom petch > Sent: 19 December 2022 12:19 > To: mohamed.boucad...@orange.com; Rob Wilton (r

Re: [OPSAWG] 🔔 WG Adoption Call for draft-tuexen-opsawg-pcapng-05 and draft-richardson-opsawg-pcaplinktype-01

2022-12-28 Thread tom petch
opsawg-pcaplinktype-01.html ending on Monday, December 30th. Henk As December 30th is gets closer it is looking less like a Monday to me; I like the idea of CoB on Monday and have penciled that into my brain as a deadline Tom Petch As a recap: we already went through a first WGLC for draft-

Re: [OPSAWG] 🔔 WG Adoption Call for draft-tuexen-opsawg-pcapng-05 and draft-richardson-opsawg-pcaplinktype-01

2022-12-29 Thread tom petch
k that this needs an executive decision. If the IETF cannot produce a specification to its usual standards, how far should it go? In passing, 65000 appears in two ranges. Tom Petch ending on Monday, December 30th. As a recap: we already went through a first WGLC for draft-tuexen-opsawg-pcapng-

Re: [OPSAWG] 🔔 WG Adoption Call for draft-tuexen-opsawg-pcapng-05 and draft-richardson-opsawg-pcaplinktype-01

2022-12-29 Thread tom petch
From: Carsten Bormann Sent: 29 December 2022 13:20 On 2022-12-29, at 12:55, tom petch wrote: > > The linktype I-D is defective with its documentary references so the > website is going to be as well. The number of references for links is > considerable in the I-D although no

Re: [OPSAWG] 🔔 WG Adoption Call for draft-tuexen-opsawg-pcapng-05 and draft-richardson-opsawg-pcaplinktype-01

2022-12-30 Thread tom petch
From: Michael Tuexen Sent: 29 December 2022 17:13 > On 29. Dec 2022, at 17:45, tom petch wrote: > > From: Carsten Bormann > Sent: 29 December 2022 13:20 > > On 2022-12-29, at 12:55, tom petch wrote: >> >> The linktype I-D is defective with its documentary re

Re: [OPSAWG] 🔔 WG Adoption Call for draft-tuexen-opsawg-pcapng-05 and draft-richardson-opsawg-pcaplinktype-01

2022-12-31 Thread tom petch
From: Michael Tuexen Sent: 30 December 2022 14:48 > On 30. Dec 2022, at 12:41, tom petch wrote: > From: Michael Tuexen > Sent: 29 December 2022 17:13 >> On 29. Dec 2022, at 17:45, tom petch wrote: >> From: Carsten Bormann >> Sent: 29 December 2022 13:20 >> O

Re: [OPSAWG] 🔔 WG Adoption Call for draft-tuexen-opsawg-pcapng-05 and draft-richardson-opsawg-pcaplinktype-01

2023-01-02 Thread tom petch
From: Carsten Bormann Sent: 31 December 2022 15:00 On 2022-12-31, at 13:09, tom petch wrote: > > The I-D lacks much useful information compared with the tcpdump website which > you say this replaces I read Michael’s response as a promise to do the necessary work. (If he doesn’t

Re: [OPSAWG] 🔔 WG Adoption Call for draft-tuexen-opsawg-pcapng-05 and draft-richardson-opsawg-pcaplinktype-01

2023-01-02 Thread tom petch
From: Michael Richardson Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2022 22:17 To: tom petch; Michael Tuexen; opsawg Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] 🔔 WG Adoption Call for draft-tuexen-opsawg-pcapng-05 and draft-richardson-opsawg-pcaplinktype-01 > The I-D lacks much useful information compared with the tcpd

Re: [OPSAWG] 🔔 WG Adoption Call for draft-tuexen-opsawg-pcapng-05 and draft-richardson-opsawg-pcaplinktype-01

2023-01-02 Thread tom petch
From: Michael Tuexen Sent: 31 December 2022 18:19 > On 31. Dec 2022, at 13:09, tom petch wrote: > > From: Michael Tuexen > Sent: 30 December 2022 14:48 >> On 30. Dec 2022, at 12:41, tom petch wrote: >> From: Michael Tuexen >> Sent: 29 December 2022 17:13 >

Re: [OPSAWG] Section 6 - draft-fz-ippm-alt-mark-deployment-01

2023-10-27 Thread tom petch
revision clause is not quite the same as the document title support for a function is often indicated by a presence container as opposed to feature; this is widespread in routing modules. what are the units of period? not sure if opsawg are interested in this Tom Petch Regards, Giuseppe (o

Re: [OPSAWG] A YANG model for Power Management

2023-11-16 Thread tom petch
. I do think that the admin matters which is why I tackle an I-D in the way that I do. HTH Tom Petch Ron Juniper Business Use Only ___ OPSAWG mailing list OPSAWG@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg

Re: [OPSAWG] WG LC: draft-ietf-opsawg-9092-update

2023-11-30 Thread tom petch
Track Ben suggested making 8805 Standards Track The Protocol Action was 2021-05-26 HTH Tom Petch From: OPSAWG on behalf of Rob Wilton (rwilton) Sent: 30 November 2023 14:35 To: Joe Clarke (jclarke); Michael Richardson; mohamed.boucad...@orange.com Cc: opsaw

Re: [OPSAWG] [ippm] [mpls] [Detnet] IOAM, iOAM, and oOAM abbreviations

2023-12-18 Thread tom petch
From: ippm on behalf of Adrian Farrel Sent: 16 December 2023 10:16 I suppose that I don’t object to the definition of new abbreviations if people are keen. Personally, I don’t get the value of “inb-OAM” compared with “in-band OAM”. It’s not like it can be said faster (one additional syllab

Re: [OPSAWG] WG LC: draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs

2018-10-09 Thread tom petch
akes dictionary and brute force attacks harder. I don't know of an RFC that goes into this but then few current RFC talk of character strings for shared keys. s.9.5.3 ' To allow TACACS+ administraots to ...' I did wonder if TACACS had ever impinged on IANA and so would this I

[OPSAWG] some too late nits in draft-ietf-opsawg-nat-yang-17

2018-10-10 Thread tom petch
I note that RFC7050 RFC7335 appear in YANG description clauses but are only Informative References, not Normative as they should be. Security Considerations references TLS1.2 RFC5246 where TLS1.3 RFC8446 should now be used A Note to the RFC Editor perhaps Tom Petch

Re: [OPSAWG] WG LC: draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs

2018-10-10 Thread tom petch
7;t know of > an RFC that goes into this but then few current RFC talk of character > strings for shared keys. > > s.9.5.3 > ' To allow TACACS+ administraots to ...' > > I did wonder if TACACS had ever impinged on IANA and so would this I-D > become a refere

Re: [OPSAWG] OPSAWG Digest, Vol 137, Issue 3

2018-10-30 Thread tom petch
eference to TACACS-DS which is not something I am familiar with. Tom Petch > > > > > > General summary of other comments > > s.1 > /Although TACACS+ defines all three, but an/ > Although TACACS+ defines all three, an/ > Correct

Re: [OPSAWG] is there any work in Ops Area for monitoring network functions?

2018-12-11 Thread tom petch
he number assigned to "draft-zhang-i2nsf-info-model-monitoring" - IANA Considerations must be present - Security Considerations must include the YANG template HTH:-) I am not on the I2NSF list. Tom Petch - Original Message - From: "Linda Dunbar" To: Cc: Sent:

Re: [OPSAWG] is there any work in Ops Area for monitoring network functions?

2018-12-12 Thread tom petch
overlap everywhere. Not sure that that helps but that is the IETF. Tom Petch > Authors of the draft-hong-i2nsf-nsf-monitoring-data-model: Can you please update the draft per Tom's comments. > > Linda. > > -Original Message- > From: tom petch [mailto:ie...@btconnect.

Re: [OPSAWG] Network Telemetry Framework - new updates and request for adoption

2019-03-08 Thread tom petch
w material. I have read your e-mail (three times) and I cannot see any name for this I-D anywhere, e.g. something that starts draft- And given that we are in the hurricane season, when I-Ds flood out without any rate-limiting, I am not going to go looking for it without some clue:-) Tom Petch

Re: [OPSAWG] Minutes for 104

2019-05-08 Thread tom petch
Joe I am struck by "CCMIB Sean Turner 5 minutes Sean wants no one to comment and no one commented" which seems consistent; no identifier for the whatever-it-is and so no-one said anything! Tom Petch - Original Message - From: "Joe Clarke (jclarke)" To: Sent: Sa

Re: [OPSAWG] Minutes for 104

2019-05-10 Thread tom petch
sastrously short of descriptive text, not fit to be an RFC IMHO. It would be a shame if it were to proceed in its present form just as it would be a shame if the contents were not used to inform those working on the NETCONF/NETMOD equivalents. Tom Petch - Original Message - From: "War

Re: [OPSAWG] [Int-area] AD sponsoring draft-thaler-iftype-reg-02

2019-06-14 Thread tom petch
what it currently is when creating the YANG module for interface types. I wonder if other WG have an interest, CCAMP or TEAS perhaps. I agree that int-area is the WG best equipped to work on it and that it needs working on. Tom Petch - Original Message - From: "Suresh Krishnan"

Re: [OPSAWG] The future of MUD work

2019-07-31 Thread tom petch
sing on it; I am not sure that there is here. And it would focus on the name, as in 'Your name is mud' which, in my culture, does not have a positive association. Tom Petch > Joe > ___ > OPSAWG mailing list > OPSAWG@ietf.org

Re: [OPSAWG] Conclusion//RE: WG adoption call for draft-aguado-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm-02

2019-10-18 Thread tom petch
ICT; better done sooner than later IANA considerations must be present else no YANG module as per RFC8407 Security Considerations must include the boiler plate as per RFC8407 (in fact, most of the above stems from RFC8407) I reckon that you will need some 30 or so Normative References by the time you are d

Re: [OPSAWG] New Version Notification for draft-shytyi-opsawg-vysm-02.txt

2019-10-19 Thread tom petch
interfaces { which is wrong - no CODE BEGINS - and then module ietf-interfaces { which is words fail me. What are you trying to do? Tom Petch ps draft-shytyi-netmod-vysm looked like a good start before the switch to opsawg. We added a section that describes wha

Re: [OPSAWG] New Version Notification for draft-shytyi-opsawg-vysm-02.txt

2019-10-19 Thread tom petch
that you are augmenting be that ietf-interfaces or anything else.. Hence my 'bizarre'. Tom Petch - Original Message - From: "Dmytro Shytyi" To: "tom petch" Cc: "opsawg" Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2019 1:22 PM Hello Tom, >import tailf-nc

Re: [OPSAWG] New Version Notification for draft-shytyi-opsawg-vysm-02.txt

2019-10-25 Thread tom petch
- Original Message - From: "Dmytro Shytyi" To: "tom petch" Cc: "opsawg" Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:57 PM Hello Tom, I can imagine your birraze. And I would like to add the next thing: the model from RFC 8343 has some code that we are interested i

Re: [OPSAWG] conclusion//RE: WG adoption call for draft-wu-model-driven-management-virtualization-07

2019-11-12 Thread tom petch
ust of history. The only expected change is from draft-authername to draft-ietf at the time of adoption. Anything else just increases the workload, if only a fraction, for everyone involved. Tom Petch > Cheers, > Tianran & Joe > > > -Original Message- > > From

Re: [OPSAWG] conclusion//RE: WG adoption call for draft-wu-model-driven-management-virtualization-07

2019-11-13 Thread tom petch
this came up at IESG Review when ADs could not look back at earlier versions of the I-D because the link between draft-author-wgname-oldname and draft-ietf-wgname-differentname was missing and only those who had been around the WG in question some years earlier knew of the connection.. Tom

Re: [OPSAWG] Request for review: draft-boydseda-ipfix-psamp-bulk-data-yang-model

2020-02-07 Thread tom petch
ative structure' tom petch From: OPSAWG on behalf of Warren Kumari Sent: 22 January 2020 22:38 To: opsawg@ietf.org; draft-boydseda-ipfix-psamp-bulk-data-yang-model@ietf.org; Paul Aitken; Gerhard Muenz; Benoit Claise Subject: [OPSAWG] Request

Re: [OPSAWG] WG LC for draft-ietf-opsawg-sdi-02

2020-02-12 Thread tom petch
in the 1990s but nothing current. Tom Petch From: OPSAWG on behalf of Warren Kumari Sent: 09 February 2020 21:49 To: Joe Clarke (jclarke) Cc: opsawg; draft-ietf-opsawg-...@ietf.org Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] WG LC for draft-ietf-opsawg-sdi-02 Dear OpsAWG

Re: [OPSAWG] WG LC for draft-ietf-opsawg-sdi-02

2020-02-13 Thread tom petch
key pairs these days driven by the requirements of PC to connect to networks and suspect that there is a disaster there waiting to happen because the risks are not understood and believe that what is being recommended here may fall in the same category. Tom Petch

Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-sdi status

2020-04-03 Thread tom petch
rt checks I think that more references are needed. DHCP yes, but also RADIUS, TFTP, HTTPS, 802.1AR, SMIME Tom Petch Thank you for the shepherd writeup / review, W P.S: Apologies all for the terseness of this email (and other emails) - I am attempting to improve my typing, and so am tryi

Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-sdi-06.txt

2020-04-06 Thread tom petch
these two points nailed down more after which I could propose some refinement to the language. Tom Petch From: OPSAWG on behalf of internet-dra...@ietf.org Sent: 03 April 2020 21:40 To: i-d-annou...@ietf.org Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: [OPSAWG] I-D

Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-sdi-06.txt

2020-04-06 Thread tom petch
From: Warren Kumari Sent: 06 April 2020 16:07 On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 6:36 AM tom petch wrote: > > Warren > > Where I think I get confused with this is its context. Abstract talks of > travelling to a datacentre and elsewhere there are references to a POP, both > of which to

Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-sdi-06.txt

2020-04-07 Thread tom petch
From: Warren Kumari Sent: 06 April 2020 16:07 On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 6:36 AM tom petch wrote: > Warren, understanding better what you have in mind, I suggest a few changes to the Abstract and Introduction, as below. My language is probably a bit tighter, omitting some adverbs but that

Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-sdi-06.txt

2020-04-07 Thread tom petch
' (to me the obviously best way to do it) sometimes coloured lines down the side of the screen, all of which seems outside my control - sigh. Tom Petch -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- ___ OPSAWG mailing list OPSAWG@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg

Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm review

2020-04-20 Thread tom petch
/*UNUSED*/ is about. And examples in the body of the I-D rather than as an Informative appendix . I am unenthusiastic about looking any deeper. Tom Petch I’m getting to the virtual interim TODO items, and this was first on my list. I have requested a Yang Doctor review for revision -03 of

Re: [OPSAWG] WG LC: draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-yang-03

2020-04-21 Thread tom petch
ted to the usual A-Z 0-9 plus some punctuation)? Overall I was expecting more but that said I cannot think of what to add! Tom Petch From: OPSAWG on behalf of Joe Clarke (jclarke) Sent: 20 April 2020 14:23 To: opsawg Subject: [OPSAWG] WG LC: draft-i

Re: [OPSAWG] L2NM: Layer 2 VPN Network Model: Request for Feedback and Review

2020-04-22 Thread tom petch
- IANA Considerations registers an existing prefix - YANG imports mostly lack reference statements. -Abstract 'The L2SM complements the Layer 2 Service model ...' Tom Petch Best Regards and stay safe during the time that a small piece of ARN is ruling our lifes,

Re: [OPSAWG] WG LC: draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-yang-03

2020-04-22 Thread tom petch
One point inline From: Wubo (lana) Sent: 22 April 2020 04:54 Hi Tom, Thanks for the comments, please see reply inline below. Regards, Bo -邮件原件- 发件人: OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-boun...@ietf.org] 代表 tom petch 发送时间: 2020年4月21日 17:09 I think that more

Re: [OPSAWG] Call for adoption: draft-boydseda-ipfix-psamp-bulk-data-yang-model

2020-04-23 Thread tom petch
seems a bit too 'tentative' Tom Petch This draft was an AD-sponsored work with Ignas and has now moved under Rob. It has received a number of reviews (some thorough, some more cursory), and it is destined to obsolete 6728 (Configuration Data Model for the IP Flow Information Export (

Re: [OPSAWG] WG LC: draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-yang-03

2020-04-23 Thread tom petch
From: Wubo (lana) Sent: 23 April 2020 12:53 Hi Tom, Thanks for pointing this out, please see the reply below. Regards, Bo -邮件原件- 发件人: tom petch [mailto:ie...@btconnect.com] 发送时间: 2020年4月22日 23:34 One point inline From: Wubo (lana) Sent: 22

Re: [OPSAWG] WG LC: draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-yang-03

2020-04-24 Thread tom petch
on to mean all three. At present, I cannot think of a less clumsy way in YANG. Thus, I do not see a bit string as any more attractive. Tom Petch Joe Tom Petch [Bo] Many thanks for your suggestion. The other two methods are indeed clumsy. Please see if the following modification are as you

Re: [OPSAWG] WG LC: draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-yang-03

2020-04-25 Thread tom petch
From: Joe Clarke (jclarke) Sent: 24 April 2020 17:42 On Apr 24, 2020, at 11:37, tom petch wrote: > > From: Joe Clarke (jclarke) > Sent: 24 April 2020 14:24 > > [Bo] You are correct, and I think this model should not exclude this cases. > I am considering of two possible appro

Re: [OPSAWG] Yangdoctors last call review of draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-yang-03

2020-05-07 Thread tom petch
s was a common case. Joe suggests that no accounting is the commoner - I do not have sufficient exposure to know - in which case I would not bother with 'all'. Whether or not to make auth/auth the default I have no particular view on - as I say, I lack the exposure to be confident about

Re: [OPSAWG] Implementation report: ietf-l3vpn-ntw.yang Service Model

2020-05-11 Thread tom petch
rouble is, they cut across WG, there is no obvious home for them, nowhere to come to agreement on what they should be Tom Petch All in all, importing the SVC module breaks the separation between the two layers. If we would like to re-use types, identities, features definitions, a separate modul

Re: [OPSAWG] Minutes of L3NM/L2NM module discussions

2020-05-26 Thread tom petch
ith a different author to the importing I-D; a no brainer really. Tom Petch Joe ___ OPSAWG mailing list OPSAWG@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg

Re: [OPSAWG] RV: New Version Notification for draft-barguil-opsawg-l2sm-l2nm-02.txt

2020-05-27 Thread tom petch
common. Even if L2NM is thought to have nothing in common with the other three, it may be worth splitting out types, identities and such like into a separate YANG module at least so that the two can progress separately Tom Petch egards, Roque On 26.05.20, 19:59, "OPSAWG on behalf of

Re: [OPSAWG] Minutes of L3NM/L2NM module discussions

2020-05-28 Thread tom petch
R of the four documents under consideration and to create a monster document and assuming that that is a good basis. Critical assessment is what is needed IMHO. Sometimes it is better to create your own version of vpn-id or ODUC than import a hundred pages of someone else's in order to get them.

Re: [OPSAWG] Minutes of L3NM/L2NM module discussions

2020-05-29 Thread tom petch
, layer0 types has undergone several revolutions before getting to its current state. These common identity etc are hard to get right in the IETF. Tom Petch Italo > -Original Message- > From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adr...@olddog.co.uk] > Sent: giovedì 28 maggio 2020 19:15 > To

Re: [OPSAWG] Minutes of L3NM/L2NM module discussions (27th-May-2020)

2020-06-04 Thread tom petch
this a year or two hence - what is easier to understand, what harder to misunderstand/? Stick to simplicity and consistency. HTH Tom Petch Best wishes, Haomian 发件人: OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-boun...@ietf.org] 代表 Qin Wu 发送时间: 2020年6月4日 12:09 收件人: Joe Clarke (jclarke) ; SAMIER BARGUIL GIRALDO 抄送

Re: [OPSAWG] CALL FOR ADOPTION: draft-barguil-opsawg-l2sm-l2nm

2020-06-17 Thread tom petch
have WG consensus on the carve-up first. Tom Petch Best, Adrian -Original Message- From: OPSAWG On Behalf Of Joe Clarke (jclarke) Sent: 16 June 2020 15:18 To: opsawg Subject: [OPSAWG] CALL FOR ADOPTION: draft-barguil-opsawg-l2sm-l2nm Hello, opsawg. I hope everyone is doing well. This s

[OPSAWG] example in tacacs yang was Re: Shepherd review of draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-yang

2020-06-18 Thread tom petch
From: OPSAWG on behalf of Joe Clarke (jclarke) Sent: 28 May 2020 15:52 To: opsawg Looking at the example in tacacs-yang-06 I see it uses an address of 10.10..10.x. I think that this should be an address reserved for documentation 192.0.2 if I recall. Tom Petch I have completed my first

[OPSAWG] opsawg-sdi was Re: example in tacacs yang was Re: Shepherd review of draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-yang

2020-06-19 Thread tom petch
From: Joe Clarke (jclarke) Sent: 18 June 2020 18:16 To: tom petch Cc: opsawg; draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-y...@ietf.org Subject: Re: example in tacacs yang was Re: Shepherd review of draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-yang > On Jun 18, 2020, at 12:01, tom petch wrote: > > From: OPSAWG on beha

Re: [OPSAWG] Timeline to decide to go with the common module in L3NM/L2NM, upload and present current version?

2020-07-10 Thread tom petch
IETF's successes, making information available in a standard, but simple, format. So another alternative is to publish an individual I-D which can be adopted by the WG, copied into an all-embracing I-D, binned, ..... Tom Petch If you have some time, we can have a short ca

Re: [OPSAWG] CALL FOR ADOPTION: draft-bgbw-opsawg-vpn-common

2020-08-14 Thread tom petch
wanted and created an unnecessarily complicated combination, but that is really a comment on the inadequacies of YANG, of the inability to import only the bits you wanted, something that SMI did not suffer from:-) Tom Petch Regards, Samier Barguil Transport & IP Networks | GCTIO - Te

Re: [OPSAWG] CALL FOR ADOPTION: draft-bgbw-opsawg-vpn-common

2020-08-24 Thread tom petch
is not permitted, then you have to change the module name, which would seem to defeat the purpose of this particular exercise so it is important to get it right first time.. Tom Petch My 2 cents Italo > -Original Message- > From: Joe Clarke (jclarke) [mailto:jcla...@cisco.com]

Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-yang-07

2020-09-02 Thread tom petch
Looking at -08 Title suggest /yang/YANG/ leaf vrf-instance might benefit from a reference to RFC8529 (ie I did not know where to look:-) security /cause the device vulnerable to attacks/make the device vulnerable to attacks/ IANA Namespace /yang: ietf/yang:ietf/ Tom Petch

Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-yang-07

2020-09-03 Thread tom petch
From: Wubo (lana) Sent: 03 September 2020 12:11 Hi Tom, Many thanks for the review, will fix in the rev-09. Or leave it and treat the comments as part of IETF Last Call (which I hope will happen soon) - I am easy either way. Tom Petch Thanks, Bo -邮件原件- 发件人: tom petch [mailto:ie

Re: [OPSAWG] Can we please adopt draft-tuexen-opsawg-pcapng?

2020-11-12 Thread tom petch
a lot of vendor-related, proprietary data or implementation detail that I expect will all have to go. Repeated references to github? err no. My guess is that about half of the current text would make it through. Even the ISE might baulk at some of it. Tom Petch "re-publishing + inher

Re: [OPSAWG] Red: RFC8907 (was: Re: Can we please adopt draft-tuexen-opsawg-pcapng?)

2020-11-13 Thread tom petch
ll the proprietary stuff, all the references to github. And plenty needs adding to bring it up to IETF 2020 standards. Give it to the ISE and even they might choke on it but any output from them can only be a better starting point for an IETF WG. Tom Petch Grüße, C

Re: [OPSAWG] [pcap-ng-format] draft-gharris-opsawg-pcap.txt --- IANA considerations

2020-12-23 Thread tom petch
t consider that the IETF does not have the expertise to provide Designated Experts - well, I would. As Adrian says below, options 1 and 2 look the right way to go. Tom Petch 4. The Independent Submissions stream is not a short-cut to RFC publication. If there is a proper home within the IETF then

Re: [OPSAWG] 🔔 WG adoption call on draft-richardson-opsawg-mud-acceptable-urls-03

2021-01-26 Thread tom petch
objections, and a set of comments. The chairs believe this I-D is ready for adoption and for the working group to work on. Authors please rename the I-D to draft-ietf-opsawg-mud-iot-dns-considerations-00, keeping the content as is, and resubmit. Is that really the name you want it to bee? Tom Petch

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