[OPSAWG] TACACS+ RFC

2015-06-12 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Hi, TACACS+ is a protocol widely deployed, based upon a draft specification that Cisco submitted in 1998, but never completed to RFC status. The original draft has been tidied and lightly enhanced and resubmitted, with the intent to finally get it published as a standard. The best fit that we

Re: [OPSAWG] TACACS+ RFC

2015-06-12 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
ADs and with the IESG) > >Scot > >> On Jun 12, 2015, at 3:23 AM, Douglas Gash (dcmgash) >>wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> TACACS+ is a protocol widely deployed, based upon a draft specification >>that Cisco submitted in 1998, but never completed to RFC status

Re: [OPSAWG] TACACS+ RFC

2015-06-12 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Many Thanks Scott. Re-submitted. Regards, Doug On 12/06/2015 10:47, "Scott O. Bradner" wrote: > >> On Jun 12, 2015, at 5:45 AM, Douglas Gash (dcmgash) >>wrote: >> >> Thanks Scott, >> >> Should I unsubmit the original? > >yes if

[OPSAWG] TACACS+ RFC: Regarding submission

2015-06-12 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Please note the following concerning the document content: The majority of the document is a cleaned and tidied refresh of the original draft. However, included in the document is a new feature that we propose for discussion: Support for TLS using a new packet type allows the TACACS protocol to

Re: [OPSAWG] TACACS+ RFC: Regarding submission

2015-06-15 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
e that expired draft is draft-grant-tacacs-02. Is RFC 1492 also relevant? Thanks, --David From: OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Benoit Claise Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 8:52 AM To: Douglas Gash (dcmgash); opsawg@ietf.org<mailto:opsawg@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] TACA

Re: [OPSAWG] OPSAWG Digest, Vol 102, Issue 14

2015-11-27 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
;I may be biased, but I have read the doc, and I support the WG working >on it. I agree with your last sentiment that this would be good to >final document this with industry consensus. > >One thing I wonder is if there shouldn't be some version change for the >support of TLS

Re: [OPSAWG] New Version Notification for draft-dahm-opsawg-tacacs-01.txt

2015-11-27 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Hi Eric, Owen, Thanks for the comments. The intent at this point is for the "ip" protocol to cover both IPV4 and IPV6, as with current practice. Documenting the format of addresses is an interesting point. Certainly we would defer detailed representation to the respective RFCs. Up to this poin

Re: [OPSAWG] OPSAWG Digest, Vol 102, Issue 28

2015-12-01 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Hi Robert, Many thanks, we really appreciate your comments. We will correct the two issues you raised on the next upload, and check on the email issue. Best regards, Thorsten, Andrej, Doug, On 01/12/2015 03:32, "opsawg-requ...@ietf.org" wrote: >Send OPSAWG mailing list submissions to >

[OPSAWG] TACACS+ New Version with AI extensions for playing Go.

2016-02-07 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Š Apologies, just an attention grabbing headline. No specific AI support has been added to T+ protocol to help play go, but the new version has been uploaded with corrections after first round of comments. TACACS+ still restricted to plain AAA at this time! The author collective would be grateful

Re: [OPSAWG] Procedural issues with the TACACS+ document

2016-02-10 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Hi Alan, TACACS+ cannot compete with RADIUS in the area RADIUS is strong: for Network access. The authors have no interest in trying to do so. TACACS+ in 2016 has quite a different use case: for device administration, where it is widely deployed by multiple vendors. Its application for device adm

Re: [OPSAWG] Procedural issues with the TACACS+ document

2016-02-11 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Let me follow up on that, to make sure there are no obstacles form that perspective. On 11/02/2016 17:09, "t.petch" wrote: > > >Tom Petch > >- Original Message - >From: "Andrej Ota" >Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:29 PM > > >> I'll try to answer multiple points from multiple e-mai

Re: [OPSAWG] OPSAWG Digest, Vol 105, Issue 61

2016-02-11 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Certainly we will add more detail to the specification to ensure that there is no ambiguity that: 1) The focus of the specification is to support the device administration use case, and to describe what this means. 2) That there is no intent to compete with other protocols (such as RADIUS/DIAMETER

Re: [OPSAWG] OPSAWG Digest, Vol 105, Issue 65

2016-02-11 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
I believe the content isn¹t entirely vendor specific. For example, for command authorisation, the standard authorisation packet from the document is: service=shell cmd= cmd-arg= cmd-arg= ... This level of content is specified in the document, but if the comment is that it is insufficiently clear

Re: [OPSAWG] OPSAWG Digest, Vol 105, Issue 65

2016-02-11 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
On 11/02/2016 20:21, "OPSAWG on behalf of opsawg-requ...@ietf.org" wrote: >Send OPSAWG mailing list submissions to > opsawg@ietf.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/opsawg >or, via email, send a message with subjec

Re: [OPSAWG] OPSAWG Digest, Vol 105, Issue 65

2016-02-11 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
little time, but I think we can use this to get a good outcome, thanks for your patient input! Thanks, Regards, Doug. On 11/02/2016 22:59, "Alan DeKok" wrote: >On Feb 11, 2016, at 4:14 PM, Douglas Gash (dcmgash) >wrote: >> In terms of the data on top of the protocol, suc

Re: [OPSAWG] OPSAWG Digest, Vol 105, Issue 92

2016-02-12 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
We¹d be more than happy to split into two documents, the first being a tidy up of the current deployed protocol, but focussed towards the device admin use case as we discussed yesterday, and a second to deal with the crypto issue in a backwards-compatible way. It sounds like this would help de-mud

Re: [OPSAWG] OPSAWG Digest, Vol 105, Issue 119

2016-02-16 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Hi Warren, I am one of the contributing authors in this document. I sincerely apologise for submitting a document which seemed to evoke passion in OpsAWG ;-) As you can tell from my email address, I work for Cisco, which provided some input in taking the original TACACS and evolving it to TACACS+

Re: [OPSAWG] OPSAWG Digest, Vol 107, Issue 11

2016-04-28 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Many thanks Alan, Stefan, Joe and Joel for the detailed review and useful feedback, Very much appreciated! On 22/04/2016 20:00, "OPSAWG on behalf of opsawg-requ...@ietf.org" wrote: >Send OPSAWG mailing list submissions to > opsawg@ietf.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wi

[OPSAWG] New Version of T+ informational note has been uploaded

2016-07-14 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Hello all. A new version of the T+ informational note has been uploaded. For information: Version 3 loaded last week has many revisions from the last round of comments. Version 4 loaded this week has some minor mods/clarifications on US-ASCII vs UTF-8. Would appreciate any further reviews. T

Re: [OPSAWG] New Version of T+ informational note has been uploaded

2016-07-15 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Thank you again Alan for more quality feedback! Regards, Doug > On 15 Jul 2016, at 16:38, Alan DeKok wrote: > >> On Jul 15, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Alan DeKok wrote: >> The Security Considerations section is in the middle of the document, where >> it's typically at the end. That's a minor nit.

[OPSAWG] TACACS+ informational draft upload 5.

2016-09-16 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
We hope that this upload addresses the last comments. Please let us know if there are any further concerns. Many thanks, Thorsten, Andrej, doug. On 20/08/2016 22:00, "OPSAWG on behalf of opsawg-requ...@ietf.org" wrote: >Send OPSAWG mailing list submissions to > opsawg@ietf.org > >To subs

Re: [OPSAWG] Start of WGLC for TACACS+ document.

2016-10-06 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Hi Alan, Thank you for your detailed review so far. When we get the last instalment, we¹ll categorise the comments and respond. Best regards, Doug. On 06/10/2016 14:56, "Alan DeKok" wrote: >On Oct 6, 2016, at 6:00 AM, t.petch wrote: >> Alan is right to pick up on the style - philosophical -

Re: [OPSAWG] Start of WGLC for TACACS+ document.

2016-10-06 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Hi Alan, Regarding the security concern, the approach we have with the current document is: 1) A statement that the protocol does not provide security in a modern environment. 2) The two common approaches to support T+ so that it may be used. 3) An indication that a version with built-in securit

Re: [OPSAWG] Start of WGLC for TACACS+ document.

2016-10-06 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
otocol that “provides the function, not the security” has no right to live, and ideally should be stamped out – but in any case not rewarded by receiving a “standard” status. So hold the publication until your (3) comes along. In the meanwhile, enjoy the vulnerabilities of your deployed implementa

Re: [OPSAWG] Start of WGLC for TACACS+ document. - Security element (or not)

2016-10-06 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
with a little modification) rather than analysing security of each part, is because such an inclusive statement covers the situation completely, and no one will be under any illusions. Thanks, Regards, Doug. On 06/10/2016 19:51, "Alan DeKok" wrote: >On Oct 6, 2016, at 1:34 PM,

Re: [OPSAWG] Start of WGLC for TACACS+ document.

2016-10-18 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Many thanks Alan for the thorough review. We¹ll collate all your comments and respond shortly. On 12/10/2016 22:35, "Alan DeKok" wrote: > My $0.02 on the contents of the Security Considerations section. I'm >sure I've missed things. > > Please also comment if the suggestions here are wrong

Re: [OPSAWG] implementing from reading draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-05

2016-11-03 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Thanks Alexander. We have had a good set of feedback also from other members (Thanks in particular to Alan DeKok) and will be uploading a new version shortly. We will also mix in the comments from yourself. Please see some comments inline, feel free to shout if you think I¹ve misunderstood or ju

Re: [OPSAWG] implementing from reading draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-05

2016-11-08 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Hi, Please see inline... On 04/11/2016 17:22, "Alexander Clouter" wrote: >Thanks for the reply, just two or three notes on your reply. > >Thanks! > >On Thu, Nov 03, 2016 at 01:12:13PM +0000, Douglas Gash (dcmgash) wrote: >>> >>>> session_id >

Re: [OPSAWG] implementing from reading draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-05

2016-11-30 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Hi, Please see inline, this is my interpretation, would welcome other points of view. I think this is all determinable from the doc but will check/update if it is a little hidden. On 30/11/2016 16:43, "Alexander Clouter" wrote: >Hello, > >I cannot find the guidance in the draft, but I am looki

[OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-06 Contributions, Status and Plans

2017-05-12 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Dear Working Group, We wanted to respond to recent posts regarding the TACACS+ informational draft, and update on status and intent: 1) Regarding the use of uncredited text from Alan DeKok: It is certainly the case that Alan has spent time actively engaged in the process of critiquing this docum

Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-06 Contributions, Status and Plans

2017-05-12 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Hi Alan, So our response to your reviews has been to incorporate, where feasible, and where we can apply then, to the doc. Would you have a preferred method that we responded? Thanks. On 12/05/2017 20:47, "Alan DeKok" wrote: >On May 12, 2017, at 2:40 PM, Douglas Gash (dcmgash)

Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-06 Contributions, Status and Plans

2017-05-13 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Hi Alan, So rather than directly updating the doc, we¹re looking for an individual response to each item. That is doable, we¹ll start putting that together. On 13/05/2017 12:59, "Alan DeKok" wrote: >On May 13, 2017, at 2:19 AM, Douglas Gash (dcmgash) >wrote: >> >

Re: [OPSAWG] OPSAWG Digest, Vol 120, Issue 6

2017-05-13 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
I like this idea! As it happens, the original motivation was simply to secure T+ and clean up the text of the original draft spec. We were less radical that moving to JSON (that¹s a nice idea ;-)) we originally intended to support the old protocol for backwards compatibility and add TLS for the mu

Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-06 Contributions, Status and Plans

2017-05-14 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Dear Alan, Below is a simple textual concatenation and minor (hopefully lossless) edit of comments you kindly sent for the October revision (version 5), We will work through this list, and reply with an item-by item response, (In place of previous mode of updating the doc to make v6) and then hop

Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-06 Contributions, Status and Plans

2017-05-14 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
those points, can hopefully get us to a agreeable version of the document for v7. On 14/05/2017 15:06, "Alan DeKok" wrote: > >> On May 13, 2017, at 3:03 PM, Douglas Gash (dcmgash) >>wrote: >> >> >> So rather than directly updating the doc, we¹re look

Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-06 Contributions, Status and Plans

2017-05-14 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
>Regards, >Uri > >Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 14, 2017, at 10:08, Alan DeKok wrote: >> >> >>> On May 13, 2017, at 3:03 PM, Douglas Gash (dcmgash) >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> So rather than directly updating the doc,

Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-06 Contributions, Status and Plans

2017-05-15 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
The lack of interactivity was more our fault than any one else's, we took Alan¹s comments and incorporated them into the version we uploaded in Feb. What we should have done was collate Alan¹s comments to promote discussion. We¹re attempting to rectify than that now: 1) We put Alan¹s comments on

Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-06 Contributions, Status and Plans

2017-05-16 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
ee what I see - if not, I will let you know. > >And my Reply All to Ignas gets an SMTP bounce >"5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'5.1.1 ... User >unknown'" > >Probably part of the expansion of >draft-ietf-opsawg-tac...@ietf.org > >Mmmm2 > >T

Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-06 Contributions, Status and Plans

2017-05-18 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
>- Original Message - >From: "Tianran Zhou" >To: "t.petch" ; "Alan DeKok" >; "Ignas Bagdonas" >Cc: "Douglas Gash (dcmgash)" ; ; >; ; > >Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:18 AM > >Thanks Tom for pointing this out. &

Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-06 ASCII

2017-05-19 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
On 19/05/2017 18:11, "Alan DeKok" wrote: >On May 19, 2017, at 6:38 AM, t.petch wrote: >> >> Another fresh topic, so a slight change in the Subject: >> >> I think that the use of the term ASCII needs more thought. > > Speaking only as an opinionated WG member... yes. > >> d) in some places,

Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-06 Contributions, Status and Plans

2017-05-20 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
As always, thanks for the comments! Regards, Doug Inline... On 17/05/2017 15:54, "Alan DeKok" wrote: >On May 16, 2017, at 4:06 PM, Douglas Gash (dcmgash) >wrote: >> Many items are marked with just [Agree], if it seems there is a trivial >>way to adjust according

Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-06 Contributions, Status and Plans - types

2017-05-26 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
is opaque type as needed and > required by the security protocols utilized. > > dataAn opaque type representing data obtained from > measurements. > > Names of objects are generally assumed to be unique within an > implementation. > >

Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-06 Contributions, Status and Plans

2017-05-26 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
15:03, "Alan DeKok" wrote: >On May 20, 2017, at 8:24 AM, Douglas Gash (dcmgash) >wrote: >>> If the field is unused, the spec should say the field is ignored, and >>> treated as if it did not exist. >> >> Agreed, though I¹m not sure how an u

Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-06 ASCII

2017-09-16 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
>in a username, anyone? > >RFC4234 is to me a good example of an RFC that starts with RFC20 (or the >equivalent thereof) and produces something more usable. > >Tom Petch > >On 5/19/17 7:51 PM, Douglas Gash (dcmgash) wrote: >> >> On 19/05/2017 18:11, "Alan DeKo

Re: [OPSAWG] draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-06 ASCII

2017-09-17 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
y rewritten by the recent submissions. Thanks, Regards, Doug. On 17/09/2017 15:26, "Alan DeKok" wrote: >On Sep 16, 2017, at 11:41 PM, Douglas Gash (dcmgash) >wrote: >> >> We¹re preparing the next revision. Regarding attribute value encoding, >> we¹re pr

Re: [OPSAWG] TACACS+ SSH Enhancements Document

2022-09-08 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
encapsulated upgrade approach for implementors, and welcome feedback. Regards, The Authors. From: Alan DeKok Date: Tuesday, 30 August 2022 at 21:17 To: John Heasly Cc: Michael Richardson , Douglas Gash (dcmgash) , opsawg@ietf.org , Andrej Ota , Thorsten Dahm Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] TACACS+ SSH

Re: [OPSAWG] TACACS+ SSH Enhancements Document

2022-09-08 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
.” Regards. From: Alan DeKok Date: Thursday, 8 September 2022 at 14:56 To: Douglas Gash (dcmgash) Cc: opsawg@ietf.org , Andrej Ota , Thorsten Dahm , John Heasly Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] TACACS+ SSH Enhancements Document On Sep 8, 2022, at 6:47 AM, Douglas Gash (dcmgash) wrote: > The alternat

Re: [OPSAWG] TACACS+ SSH Enhancements Document

2022-11-01 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
the data field paradigm discussed earlier in the thread. We will follow with a document that describes the complete solution in detail. From: Douglas Gash (dcmgash) Date: Thursday, 8 September 2022 at 16:47 To: Alan DeKok Cc: opsawg@ietf.org , Andrej Ota , Thorsten Dahm , John Heasly Subject

Re: [OPSAWG] Status of T+ TLS work

2023-10-23 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Hi Joe, An update is underway, current phase is to examine RFC 9325, which seems very relevant, to see what can be delegated to it. From: Joe Clarke (jclarke) Date: Monday, 23 October 2023 at 18:04 To: draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-tl...@ietf.org Cc: opsawg@ietf.org Subject: Status of T+ TLS work

[OPSAWG] Submission of new version of TACACS+ TLS Spec (V4)

2023-12-22 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Dear OPSAWG, Many thank for all the comments on the Secure TACACS+ (TLS) draft v3. We have submitted a revised doc which intention to address the concerns and comments. It is rather later than originally planned, our apologies for the delay. We will look forward to addressing the corresponding

Re: [OPSAWG] Submission of new version of TACACS+ TLS Spec (V4)

2024-01-03 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
: Douglas Gash (dcmgash) Cc: opsawg@ietf.org , John Heasly , Andrej Ota Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Submission of new version of TACACS+ TLS Spec (V4) On Dec 22, 2023, at 11:53 AM, Douglas Gash (dcmgash) wrote: > Some brief notes regarding the broader topics raised in v3, all items of > course, ar

Re: [OPSAWG] Submission of new version of TACACS+ TLS Spec (V4)

2024-01-25 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
at 14:34 To: Douglas Gash (dcmgash) , opsawg@ietf.org Cc: John Heasly , Andrej Ota Subject: RE: Submission of new version of TACACS+ TLS Spec (V4) Hi Authors, all, Many thanks for your effort on this document. I managed finally to read the new version. I’m afraid that some of the comments in

Re: [OPSAWG] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC8907 (7754)

2024-02-08 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
d...@google.com , and...@ota.si , Douglas Gash (dcmgash) , car...@ipsec.org , lol.gr...@gmail.com , opsawg@ietf.org , RFC Editor Subject: Re: [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC8907 (7754) Hi Rebecca, authors, OPSAWG, I think that this errata is valid for both 5.1 and 6.1. I also noted a similar

Re: [OPSAWG] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-tls13-06.txt

2024-03-20 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
omissions or new comments and rectify quickly. And we will endeavour to respond ASAP to any other comments of any kind on the doc. Many thanks, Regards, The Authors. From: internet-dra...@ietf.org Date: Wednesday, 20 March 2024 at 15:27 To: Douglas Gash (dcmgash) , Douglas Gash (dcmgash

Re: [OPSAWG] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-tls13-06.txt

2024-04-17 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Many Thanks Mohamed for the time taken and the detailed review. We’ll work through these (and reach out for any clarifications) ASAP. From: mohamed.boucad...@orange.com Date: Wednesday, 17 April 2024 at 16:42 To: Douglas Gash (dcmgash) , opsawg@ietf.org Cc: John Heasley , Andrej Ota Subject

Re: [OPSAWG] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-tls13-06.txt.

2024-04-19 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
document is getting stable more and more. Cheers, Med De : OPSAWG De la part de Douglas Gash (dcmgash) Envoyé : mercredi 20 mars 2024 16:40 À : opsawg@ietf.org Cc : John Heasley ; Andrej Ota Objet : Re: [OPSAWG] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-tls13-06.txt Dear OPSAWG

Re: [OPSAWG] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-tls13-06.txt.

2024-04-22 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Thanks Mohamed, please see inline… From: mohamed.boucad...@orange.com Date: Friday, 19 April 2024 at 18:31 To: Douglas Gash (dcmgash) Cc: John Heasley , Andrej Ota , Thorsten Dahm , opsawg@ietf.org Subject: RE: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-tls13-06.txt. Hi Douglas

Re: [OPSAWG] Confirm submission of I-D draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-tls13

2024-04-23 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
related to this draft version, shortly. Many thanks. The Authors. From: IETF I-D Submission Tool Date: Tuesday, 23 April 2024 at 14:46 To: Douglas Gash (dcmgash) , Andrej Ota , John Heasley , Thorsten Dahm Subject: Confirm submission of I-D draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-tls13 Hi, The IETF

Re: [OPSAWG] Confirm submission of I-D draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-tls13

2024-04-23 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Will do. Would it be beneficial to enact an immediate new version upload for this? From: mohamed.boucad...@orange.com Date: Tuesday, 23 April 2024 at 16:05 To: Douglas Gash (dcmgash) , opsawg@ietf.org Cc: Andrej Ota , John Heasley , Thorsten Dahm Subject: RE: Confirm submission of I-D draft

Re: [OPSAWG] Secdir early review of draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-tls13-07

2024-05-01 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Many thanks for the review, Russ! Please see below the initial changes based upon your comments, hopefully they have met the intent. Please advise if the updates are not addressing what you had in mind, or for any concerns. Best Regards, The Authors. From: Russ Housley via Datatracker Date:

[OPSAWG]Re: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-tls13-06.txt: 9525 Section

2024-05-07 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
SHOULD include the server domain name in the SNI "server_name" extension of the client hello. Certificate Provisioning is out of scope of this document. From: Douglas Gash (dcmgash) Date: Monday, 22 April 2024 at 10:21 To: mohamed.boucad...@orange.com Cc: John Heasley , Andrej Ota

[OPSAWG]Re: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-tls13-06.txt: 9525 Section

2024-05-09 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Thanks Mohamed, we will upload a new version with these changes, From: mohamed.boucad...@orange.com Date: Tuesday, 7 May 2024 at 18:03 To: Douglas Gash (dcmgash) Cc: John Heasley , Andrej Ota , Thorsten Dahm , opsawg@ietf.org Subject: RE: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs

[OPSAWG]Re: Request to review draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-tls13

2024-05-09 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Many thanks Tirumal for the time taken for the review, and insights. We will prepare a new revision (rev 9) of the document ASAP, with corrections from your comments. Best Regards, The Authors. From: tirumal reddy Date: Tuesday, 7 May 2024 at 15:26 To: mohamed.boucad...@orange.com Cc: draft-

[OPSAWG]Re: Request to review draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-tls13

2024-05-16 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Thanks Valery, we will incorporate fixes for these along with fixes for Tirumal’s comments into rev 9 ASAP. From: mohamed.boucad...@orange.com Date: Thursday, 16 May 2024 at 14:38 To: Valery Smyslov Cc: draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-tl...@ietf.org , opsawg@ietf.org Subject: RE: Request to review d

[OPSAWG]Re: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-tls13-09.txt

2024-05-21 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
2024 at 17:57 To: Douglas Gash (dcmgash) , Douglas Gash (dcmgash) , Andrej Ota , John Heasley , Thorsten Dahm Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-tls13-09.txt A new version of Internet-Draft draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-tls13-09.txt has been successfully submitted by Douglas C

[OPSAWG]WG LC: draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-tls13

2024-06-27 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Hi Rod, Many thanks for your kind words and previous feedback which helped significantly. Regarding your comment, It is a good proposal, but just to clarify, the paras are intended to convey from the flow perspective: para 4 covers the client start, para 5 then deals with server behaviour i.e.

[OPSAWG]Re: OPSAWG Digest, Vol 205, Issue 21

2024-07-01 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Hi Arnaud, The need for enhancing the flow for SSH key authentication is clear, and the initial version of the document covered this to some degree. However, after discussion in the group the doc was split to cover TLS (as a priority), and a second document that is in preparation for SSH keys.

[OPSAWG]Re: OPSAWG Digest, Vol 205, Issue 21

2024-07-01 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
That is certainly reasonable, we will add. From: EBALARD Arnaud Date: Monday, 1 July 2024 at 12:21 To: Douglas Gash (dcmgash) , opsawg@ietf.org Cc: Thorsten Dahm , John Heasly , Andrej Ota Subject: RE: OPSAWG Digest, Vol 205, Issue 21 Hi Douglas, Thanks for that feedback. As you pointed

[OPSAWG]Re: WG LC: draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-tls13 (was Re-OPSAWG Digest, Vol 205, Issue 21)

2024-07-02 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Thanks, yes, though this is now a little outdated based on further discussions. From: mohamed.boucad...@orange.com Date: Tuesday, 2 July 2024 at 08:13 To: Douglas Gash (dcmgash) , EBALARD Arnaud , opsawg@ietf.org Cc: John Heasly , Andrej Ota Subject: RE: WG LC: draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-tls13

[OPSAWG]Re: Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-tls13-10

2024-07-02 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Hi Russ, Many thanks for taking the time to review. Before we dig into the issues raised, I’d like to check to see if your comments spring from the doc misleading due to bad wording, or if you have in mind a deeper issue. What the doc is trying to express (and we will refactor a little to make

[OPSAWG]Re: OPSAWG Digest, Vol 205, Issue 20

2024-07-08 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Dear Opsawg et al, 1) Discussion on External PSK (Related to part of Mohamed’s point 2 below). Our distillation of the thrust of Alan’s main advice is: The doc needs to either commit to fully documenting external PSK and its ramifications or preclude it. The truth is, our doc merely says: TLS

[OPSAWG]Re: Opsdir early review of draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-tls13-10

2024-08-12 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Thanks you for your feedback and insights. We have uploaded a new version to include corrections. We have deferred ref to RFC9608 at this stage, as we are still checking to determine if the provisions would be relevant to the TLS cases used for T+ transport. If we have missed anything or you h

Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-08.txt

2018-03-19 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Apologies for the delay, For some reason the mails did not get through until fellow author kindly forwarded them, disturbed by my rudeness for not having responded. Thanks Joe, all very valid and will fix forthwith, -- Forwarded message - From: Joe Clarke mailto:jcla...@cisco.co

Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-08.txt

2018-03-19 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Apologies for delay Alan, I have goofed with mail forwarding. We still have some work to do on the security section. I will check to see which items we missed outside the security section, as I thought we had them all covered. Clearly the last upload took rather longer than initially planned. W

Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-08.txt

2018-03-20 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
section completed directly after. On 20/03/2018, 12:05, "Alan DeKok" wrote: > On Mar 19, 2018, at 3:37 PM, Douglas Gash (dcmgash) wrote: > > Apologies for delay Alan, I have goofed with mail forwarding. > > We still have some work to do on the

Re: [OPSAWG] OPSAWG Digest, Vol 130, Issue 14

2018-04-04 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Hello OPSAWG, Regarding the T+ document: Version 9 (below) had a small number of mainly typographic corrections. We believe that the main area of deficiency in the document is section 9 (Security). Our plan is to post this specific section to the list for review next week (after some initial

Re: [OPSAWG] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-10.txt

2018-04-14 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Hello Opsawg, We have uploaded a new version of the TACACS+ informational draft which includes corrections for typos over the document as a whole, but also revised the security section. We anticipate this security section will get most comments, so it is reproduced below. We will endeavor to b

Re: [OPSAWG] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-10.txt

2018-04-17 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Hi Alan, I hope that we can address your concerns. I think the main points that you raise the we (the authors) need to address are: 1) The security section 2) Reactivity of the authors 3) Change Tracking 1) The Security Section The starting point is that we know that TACACS+ needs enhancement

[OPSAWG] TACACS+ Information Document Diffs Version 6-10

2018-05-12 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Dear OPSAWG, Please find below a first attempt to run through the differences between the document version 6 (Feb 10 2017) and version 10 (April 15 2018). The Diff was generated using the “Change Bar” option of the Document History page. (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-opsawg-tacac

[OPSAWG] Action Items on TACACS+ informational draft v 10

2018-06-10 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Dear Opsawg, A status update on informational T+ Draft: 1) Current discussion between Andrej and (mainly) Joe Clarke on some section 9 (Security), ongoing, Andrej/Authors will respond to Joe’s latest comments shortly. 2) Diffs between Version 6 and Version 10 with brief annotations of each diff

Re: [OPSAWG] Action Items on TACACS+ informational draft v 10

2018-06-27 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Hi Joe, We will update on 1) by end of the week. 2) Was sent previously, any feedback on it welcome. 3) I will send out initial proposal today to the list. Thanks, Doug. On 27/06/2018, 16:13, "Joe Clarke" wrote: On 6/10/18 04:43, Douglas Gash (dcmgash) wrote: >

[OPSAWG] TACACS+ information Draft Security Recommendations refactor

2018-06-27 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Dear Opsawg, The TACACS+ Draft Version 9 contains a security section, the last three subsections of which are recommendations. There is some overlap and repetition between sections where the same issues are covered from different angles, which we believe may lead to ambiguity. So instead we pr

Re: [OPSAWG] TACACS+ information Draft Security Recommendations refactor

2018-06-28 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Hi Alan, Thank you for the response. Please see responses below. On 28/06/2018, 14:22, "Alan DeKok" wrote: On Jun 28, 2018, at 2:03 AM, Douglas Gash (dcmgash) wrote: > > Dear Opsawg, > > The TACACS+ Draft Version 9 contains a security s

Re: [OPSAWG] TACACS+ information Draft Security Recommendations refactor

2018-07-06 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
, 17:23, "Douglas Gash (dcmgash)" wrote: Hi Alan, Thank you for the response. Please see responses below. On 28/06/2018, 14:22, "Alan DeKok" wrote: On Jun 28, 2018, at 2:03 AM, Douglas Gash (dcmgash) wrote: >

Re: [OPSAWG] Action Items on TACACS+ informational draft v 10

2018-07-09 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Hi, I believe the MUST/SHOULD debate pertains only to the recommendations section, the rest of the documents sticks to description of current status apart from the documented deprecations that no sensible implementation would do today, i.e. a few deletions but no updates. The discussion focuss

Re: [OPSAWG] TACACS+ information Draft Security Recommendations refactor

2018-07-12 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
your question on current implmentations, On 09/07/2018, 23:55, "Joe Clarke" wrote: On 7/6/18 09:39, Douglas Gash (dcmgash) wrote: > > Hi, > > Below is revised version of the subsection, based upon Alan’s comments, > > Many thanks.

Re: [OPSAWG] TACACS+ information Draft Security Recommendations refactor

2018-07-12 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Dear OPSAWG, Below is a revised version of the recommendations. I have understood the consensus to be, that we should keep the strength of the recommendations, but explain how these should be applies in the real world with many, potentially very old implementations in place. Consequently, pret

Re: [OPSAWG] TACACS+ information Draft Security Recommendations refactor

2018-07-13 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Thanks Alan... > On 13 Jul 2018, at 14:30, Alan DeKok wrote: > >> On Jul 13, 2018, at 1:00 AM, Douglas Gash (dcmgash) >> wrote: >> 9.5 Deployment Best Practices >> >> With respect to the observations about the security issues described above, >> a

Re: [OPSAWG] TACACS+ information Draft Security Recommendations refactor

2018-07-13 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Dear Alan, Do the changes below clarify the intent sufficiently? (please find diff below) The changes are mainly in first section with a few tweaks in later sections. Many thanks. 9.5 Deployment Best Practices With respect to the observations about the security issues described above, a  netw

Re: [OPSAWG] TACACS+ information Draft Security Recommendations refactor

2018-07-14 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Thanks Alan… On 14/07/2018, 15:00, "Alan DeKok" wrote: On Jul 14, 2018, at 12:57 AM, Douglas Gash (dcmgash) wrote: > > Dear Alan, > > Do the changes below clarify the intent sufficiently? (please find diff below) The changes are mainly in first sec

Re: [OPSAWG] TACACS+ information Draft Security Recommendations refactor

2018-07-15 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Hi Joe, Thanks Joe, all useful comments. I believe that most of them were caught in the previous upload (in which we responded to Alan’s last mail), I will make sure that any missing are in the next. On 16/07/2018, 0:20, "Joe Clarke" wrote: On 7/14/18 00:57, Douglas Gash (dcmg

Re: [OPSAWG] TACACS+ information Draft Security Recommendations refactor

2018-08-01 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Apologies for the interruption in the conversation. Attached should incorporate yours and Alan’s latest comments, and some client side comments have been addressed. Please find attached. Many thanks. On 16/07/2018, 6:56, "Douglas Gash (dcmgash)" wrote: Hi Joe,

Re: [OPSAWG] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-11.txt

2018-10-02 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Dear Opsawg, Revision 11 of the T+ information draft has been uploaded. The changes cover: - Updates to Security section 9, primarily sections 9.5-9.7 has been rationalized into a single section - Updates to CHAP authentication, removing erroneous paras. - Corrections of some typographic/style e

Re: [OPSAWG] IPR on draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs

2018-10-15 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Confirming I am not aware of any IPR relating to this draft. From: Thorsten Dahm Date: Thursday, 11 October 2018 at 16:11 To: "Joe Clarke (jclarke)" Cc: "opsawg@ietf.org" , Andrej Ota , "Douglas Gash (dcmgash)" , "dcar...@viptela.com" , "lol.gr.

Re: [OPSAWG] OPSAWG Digest, Vol 137, Issue 3

2018-10-28 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Hi Tom, Many thanks for your comments. Most will be resolved simply in next upload as a matter of course (see below), but would be good to clarify one point: I did wonder if TACACS had ever impinged on IANA and so would this I-D become a referenc

Re: [OPSAWG] Genart telechat review of draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-13

2019-06-21 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Many thanks for the comments. Please see responses from authors inline, marked “TA”. Action items from this mail to update the document are marked: [AI-TA] to mean: “action item for the authors”. On 13/05/2019, 13:54, "Stewart Bryant via Datatracker" wrote: Reviewer: Stewart Bryant Re

Re: [OPSAWG] Deborah Brungard's No Objection on draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-13: (with COMMENT)

2019-06-21 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Many thanks for the comments. Please see responses from authors inline, marked “TA”. Action items from this mail to update the document are marked: [AI-TA] to mean: “action item for the authors”. On 14/05/2019, 17:33, "Deborah Brungard via Datatracker" wrote: Deborah Brungard has entered

Re: [OPSAWG] Mirja Kühlewind's No Objection on draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-13: (with COMMENT)

2019-06-21 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Many thanks for the comments. Please see responses from authors inline, marked “TA”. Action items from this mail to update the document are marked: [AI-TA] to mean: “action item for the authors”. On 15/05/2019, 19:03, "Mirja Kühlewind via Datatracker" wrote: Mirja Kühlewind has entered t

Re: [OPSAWG] Alexey Melnikov's Discuss on draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-06-23 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Many thanks for the comments. Please see responses from authors inline, marked “TA”. Action items from this mail to update the document are marked: [AI-TA] to mean: “action item for the authors”. On 16/05/2019, 7:21, "Alexey Melnikov via Datatracker" wrote: Alexey Melnikov has entered the

Re: [OPSAWG] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-06-23 Thread Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
Many thanks for the comments. Please see responses from authors inline, marked “TA”. Action items from this mail to update the document are marked: [AI-TA] to mean: “action item for the authors”. On 15/05/2019, 19:55, "Alissa Cooper via Datatracker" wrote: Alissa Cooper has entered the fo

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