[OPSAWG] Ops Area review of draft-farrkingel-pce-abno-architecture

2014-02-13 Thread Adrian Farrel
> Authors : Daniel King > Adrian Farrel > Filename: draft-farrkingel-pce-abno-architecture-07.txt > Pages : 62 > Date: 2014-02-13 > > Abstract: >Services such as content distribution, distributed d

[OPSAWG] Help with a MANET management draft please

2014-02-26 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi OPSAWG, The MANET working group develops protocols for mobile and ad-hoc networks (some of which are less mobile or less ad hoc than others). After discussion with the IESG and specifically the OPS ADs, the WG has agreed to try to put together some thoughts on management of these networks. It

[OPSAWG] Call for review draft-farrkingel-pce-abno-architecture

2014-07-25 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, The authors of draft-farrkingel-pce-abno-architecture are in the process of requesting AD-sponsored publication of draft-farrkingel-pce-abno-architecture This I-D is a bit of an architecture and a bit an applicability statement. It is also significantly about how to build and operate networks

Re: [OPSAWG] Call for review draft-farrkingel-pce-abno-architecture

2014-08-09 Thread Adrian Farrel
There are editorials and nits, but I figured it was a bit early to call > those out. > > Tom Taylor > > On 25/07/2014 2:02 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote: > > Hi, > > > > The authors of draft-farrkingel-pce-abno-architecture are in the process of > > requesting AD

Re: [OPSAWG] New Version Notification for draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained-00.txt

2016-07-13 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Michael and Qin, Thanks for the constructive discussions. In line... > > I have quickly scanned this document. Some initial comments [ms]: > > > > *** Page 3: > > > >Service Model: A service model is a specific type of data model. > > > > It describes a service and all of the paramete

Re: [OPSAWG] New Version Notification for draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained-00.txt

2016-07-19 Thread Adrian Farrel
[mailto:internet-dra...@ietf.org] 发送时间: 2016年7月5日 19:55 收件人: Liushucheng (Will); Adrian Farrel; Liushucheng (Will); Qin Wu 主题: New Version Notification for draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained-00.txt A new version of I-D, draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained-00.txt has been successfully sub

[OPSAWG] BTW draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained now at rev -01

2016-07-19 Thread Adrian Farrel
example). Have a look at Figure 3. Adrian From: OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel Sent: 19 July 2016 09:28 To: 'Benoit Claise'; 'Qin Wu'; 'opsawg@ietf.org' Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] New Version Notification for draft-wu-opsawg-service-m

Re: [OPSAWG] Question regarding Proof of Transit draft

2016-07-20 Thread Adrian Farrel
What is worrying me in this conversations is the discrepancy between the stated aim in draft-brockners-proof-of-transit and the function provided by the draft. I'm not (at the moment ;-) picking hols in what the S**3 scheme achieves, but I am questioning whether it provides enough to be useful in t

Re: [OPSAWG] Adoption poll for draft-lear-ietf-netmod-mud-04

2016-08-03 Thread Adrian Farrel
I've been following this work and believe it is something the IETF should work on and that this is better than a good starting point for working group work. I can't promise that I will devote much attention to the work as it progresses, but I will participate in occasional reviews. I've talked

[OPSAWG] New revision of draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained

2016-09-07 Thread Adrian Farrel
e input would be welcome. Cheers, Adrian (for the authors) -- Support an author and your imagination. Tales from the Wood - Eighteen new fairy tales. More Tales from the Wood - Eighteen more new fairy tales. https://www.feedaread.com/profiles/8604/ http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tales-Wood-Adrian-Farrel/dp/1

Re: [OPSAWG] [netmod] New revision of draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained

2016-09-08 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Michael, Thanks for the helpful email. > In general, I believe that distinguishing between different terms for "service > model" is useful. > > Actually, I would suggest to align the terminology in draft-ietf-l3sm-l3vpn-service- > model accordingly, e.g., by using the term "Customer Service M

Re: [OPSAWG] New Version Notification for draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained-00.txt

2016-09-08 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Michael, all, Apologies for dropping this thread. I am making changes to the -03 revision and we'll post it soon. More comments in line. Cheers, Adrian > > > I have quickly scanned this document. Some initial comments [ms]: > > > > > > *** Page 3: > > > > > >Service Model: A service mo

[OPSAWG] FW: I-D Action: draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained-03.txt

2016-09-09 Thread Adrian Farrel
draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained-03.txt > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > > > Title : Service Models Explained > Authors : Qin Wu > Will Liu >

[OPSAWG] Soliciting thoughts on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-model-classification

2016-10-31 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, We previously discussed draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained a bit on this list and also at a face-to-face meeting. Since then the I-D has moved on to a -03 revision picking up and addressing comments from the list, private emails, and the authors' gradual understanding of the field. We d

Re: [OPSAWG] Soliciting thoughts on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-model-classification

2016-10-31 Thread Adrian Farrel
Ooops wrong subject line :-( Will re-start thread Adrian > -Original Message- > From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adr...@olddog.co.uk] > Sent: 31 October 2016 12:04 > To: 'opsawg@ietf.org' > Cc: draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explai...@ietf.org > Subject: Soliciting t

Re: [OPSAWG] Soliciting thoughts on draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained

2016-10-31 Thread Adrian Farrel
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Re: [OPSAWG] Soliciting thoughts on draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained

2016-10-31 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Linda, > Does your draft intend to cover model for all possible services? Such as Private > Line service? > Simple vanilla IP Internet access services, SD-WAN services, or others? > > As of now, the draft is primarily on L3VPN services. Is it intended? Or to be > expanded to more? Are we read

[OPSAWG] Formation of "L2VPN as a service" working group

2016-11-11 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi operational people, Please note that the L2SM working group has been formed and will meet in Seoul on Thursday at 9:30. The focus is the development of a YANG model for the provision of L2VPN services on the interface between operator and customer. Thanks, Adrian

Re: [OPSAWG] iOAM and SFC KPI stamping

2016-11-15 Thread Adrian Farrel
Thanks Joe, And to add to that, the SFC WG seems to be building a head of steam to work on OAM, and now looks like a good time to influence that work. Adrian From: OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Joe Clarke (jclarke) Sent: 15 November 2016 08:20 To: opsawg@ietf.org Subject

[OPSAWG] Random numbers and In-situ OAM

2016-11-15 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Frank, Thought I had possibly mis-heard in RTGWG, but heard you again in OPSAWG say something about "using part of a random number" . I just ran off to look at draft-brockners*.txt and searched "random". I see some discussion of random numbers that looks fine, but I don't see anything (which

Re: [OPSAWG] Random numbers and In-situ OAM

2016-11-15 Thread Adrian Farrel
Brilliant, thanks Frank. My eyesight failed me. I'll read and digest. Adrian > -Original Message- > From: Frank Brockners (fbrockne) [mailto:fbroc...@cisco.com] > Sent: 15 November 2016 08:55 > To: adr...@olddog.co.uk > Cc: opsawg@ietf.org; rt...@ietf.org > Subject: RE: Random numbers a

Re: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts

2016-12-15 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Tianran, I'm fairly much in agreement that this is a topic that should be worked on in the IETF. I am somewhat nervous about the overlap between this and OAM work undertaken in a number of working groups chiefly in the Routing Area, and I hope there can be some careful coordination. My f

Re: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts

2016-12-25 Thread Adrian Farrel
And just replying to the other email in the branched thread... >> I am somewhat nervous about the overlap between this and OAM work >> undertaken in a number of working groups chiefly in the Routing Area, >> and I hope there can be some careful coordination. > > I believe the potentially perceiv

Re: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts

2016-12-25 Thread Adrian Farrel
Oh, how I hate HTML emails! Hi Carlos, >>> I am somewhat nervous about the overlap between this and OAM work >>> undertaken in a number of working groups chiefly in the Routing Area, >>> and I hope there can be some careful coordination. >> >> I also asked the authors about this question. Espe

[OPSAWG] FW: I-D Action: draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained-04.txt

2016-12-31 Thread Adrian Farrel
line Internet-Drafts directories. > > > Title : Service Models Explained > Authors : Qin Wu > Will Liu > Adrian Farrel > Filename: draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained-04.txt > P

[OPSAWG] Further New Version Notification for draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained-05.txt

2017-01-05 Thread Adrian Farrel
imagination. Tales from the Wood - Eighteen new fairy tales. More Tales from the Wood - Eighteen MORE new fairy tales. https://www.feedaread.com/profiles/8604/ http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tales-Wood-Adrian-Farrel/dp/1786100924 Or buy from me direct. > From: internet-dra...@ietf.org > Sent: 05 January 2017

Re: [OPSAWG] FW: FW: WG adoption poll for In-Situ OAM drafts

2017-01-10 Thread Adrian Farrel
Frank, You probably used short-hand, but I think you mean "visited a particular set of nodes in a particular order". I agree with Stewart where we can make reasonable assumptions about trust domains (e.g. where a breach in the trust domain is going to allow far worse things to happen). But I a

[OPSAWG] Question on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-model-classification

2017-01-19 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, We've been trying to ensure that draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained is consistent with the latest version of draft-ietf-netmod-yang-model-classification. In discussions with Tianran a question has come up. In section 2 you have a nice definition of Network Service YANG Modules and this d

Re: [OPSAWG] Question on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-model-classification

2017-01-25 Thread Adrian Farrel
sification] and > [draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained]) can check if those YANG models > are device models or service models. > > Regards, > Tianran > > > -Original Message- > > From: OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farr

Re: [OPSAWG] Question on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-model-classification

2017-02-08 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Dean, I've been processing your response and the continuing thread with you and Tianran. > > We've been trying to ensure that draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained is > > consistent with the latest version of > > draft-ietf-netmod-yang-model-classification. In discussions with Tianran a > >

Re: [OPSAWG] Question on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-model-classification

2017-02-14 Thread Adrian Farrel
icts, these two I-Ds can complement each > other. > > Best, > Tianran > > > -Original Message- > > From: netmod [mailto:netmod-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Carl Moberg > > (camoberg) > > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2017 12:48 AM > > To: adr...@

[OPSAWG] Progress of draft-ietf-netmod-yang-model-classification and draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained

2017-03-30 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, As just stated at the mic in the OPS Area meeting, I met with Dean Bogdanovic today to discuss the overlap/underlap between these two drafts. 1. We went through the text changes to draft-ietf-netmod-yang-model-classification and I am happy that changes in the -05 revision address the question

Re: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained-06

2017-06-16 Thread Adrian Farrel
Of course, I support the WG working on this :-) The offer of a review from Luis is gratefully accepted. That will make for a nice first revision inside the WG. Joe. Yes, I'd be interested to hear what other's think about your point, and to add text to clarify the issue. Cheers, Adrian > -Or

Re: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained-06

2017-06-23 Thread Adrian Farrel
Thanks, Will do. Adrian > -Original Message- > From: OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tianran Zhou > Sent: 21 June 2017 02:22 > To: opsawg@ietf.org > Cc: opsawg-cha...@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for draft-wu-opsawg-service-model- > explained-06

Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained-01.txt

2017-06-29 Thread Adrian Farrel
tions and Management Area Working Group > of the IETF. > > Title : Service Models Explained > Authors : Qin Wu > Will Liu > Adrian Farrel > Filename: draft-ietf-opsawg-ser

Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained-01.txt

2017-07-01 Thread Adrian Farrel
> > > > > > I reviewed this version. > > > > > > I do think it is ready for a WGLC. > > > > Really? It's surprisingly fast. :-) Though I know this draft evolved > > several versions before WG adoption. > > > > Tianran > >

[OPSAWG] Progress with draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained

2017-07-19 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, I was unable to be in OPSAWG on Tuesday because I was chairing I2NSF at that time. Obviously, Qin did a fabulous job presenting the slides. Were there any issues or discussions that should be brought to the list? Thanks, Adrian ___ OPSAWG mailing

Re: [OPSAWG] Progress with draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained

2017-07-20 Thread Adrian Farrel
gt; list. > > When you think you have dealt with all the pending issues, of course you can ask > for the LC. > > Cheers, > Tianran > > -Original Message- > From: OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel > Sent: Wednesday, July 19,

Re: [OPSAWG] WG LC for Service Models Explained

2017-08-01 Thread Adrian Farrel
Med, thanks! All of this looks tractable. I think nearly 100% is just stuff we can take. There are one or two items for clarification where we'll respond at the time of the edits. Cheers, Adrian > -Original Message- > From: OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > mohamed.b

Re: [OPSAWG] WG LC for Service Models Explained

2017-08-02 Thread Adrian Farrel
Dan, thanks! > Comment #1 - The current abstract could be simmered down to: > > The IETF has produced a number of data modules in the YANG modelling > language. The majority of these modules are used to construct data models > to model devices or monolithic functions. > > A small number of YAN

Re: [OPSAWG] [netmod] Cross-post to Netmod for LC comments//FW: WG LC for Service Models Explained

2017-08-02 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Carl, > - The term “Network Service Model” in RFC 8199 is intended to cover both > "Customer Service Model” as well as “Service Delivery Model” as defined > in draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained. At the time of the first > revision of what was > draft-bogdanovic-netmod-yang

Re: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained-06

2017-08-09 Thread Adrian Farrel
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Re: [OPSAWG] WG LC for Service Models Explained

2017-08-18 Thread Adrian Farrel
> Authors: > Although this is an informational document, please indicate with an email on the > mailing list explicitly whether you are aware or you are not aware of any IPRs > related to the drafts. > > [Qin]: Receive kindly reminder from chairs recently, thanks. here I confirm that > we have no

Re: [OPSAWG] WG LC for Service Models Explained

2017-08-22 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Med, Thanks again for your review. I'm just in the process of updating the draft and wanted to let you know what changes I'm making. > - Remove RFC7426 and RFC8049 from the normative references. Those are cited > as examples. Yes. No problem with that. > - Simplify the text in the abstract a

Re: [OPSAWG] WG LC for Service Models Explained

2017-08-23 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Dan, Thank for the review. I'm currently updating the document. Here are my answers to your comments. > Comment #1 - The current abstract could be simmered down to: > > The IETF has produced a number of data modules in the YANG modelling > language. The majority of these modules are used t

Re: [OPSAWG] [netmod] Cross-post to Netmod for LC comments//FW: WG LC for Service Models Explained

2017-08-23 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Carl, I'm in the process of updating the document and wanted to let you know what changes are being made. >>> - The term “Network Service Model” in RFC 8199 is intended to cover both >>>"Customer Service Model” as well as “Service Delivery Model” as defined >>>in draft-ietf-opsawg-se

Re: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for draft-wu-opsawg-service-model-explained-06

2017-08-23 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hey Luis, As we are updating the draft for last call comment, here are responses to your comments. > *Specific comments* > > - There are several sentences along the document trying to define the scope of > service model in the context of IETF. These are: (1) in Terms and Concepts, for > Service,

[OPSAWG] Post last call revision: draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained-02.txt

2017-08-24 Thread Adrian Farrel
Title : Service Models Explained > Authors : Qin Wu > Will Liu > Adrian Farrel > Filename: draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained-02.txt > Pages : 22 > Date

Re: [OPSAWG] Fwd: AD Review of draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained

2017-09-05 Thread Adrian Farrel
Warren, thanks. Updating now. A > -Original Message- > From: OPSAWG [mailto:opsawg-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Warren Kumari > Sent: 05 September 2017 13:16 > To: opsawg@ietf.org > Subject: [OPSAWG] Fwd: AD Review of draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model- > explained > > Apologies, I forgot

Re: [OPSAWG] Fwd: AD Review of draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained

2017-09-05 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi again... > 1: While unfortunate, I think many will not understand the q.v. in the > Service definition in Section 2. Terms and Concepts. Perhaps break it > out, or more clearly point where more info is to be found. Yeah, my mistake for writing in a language that has been dead for 2000 years :-

Re: [OPSAWG] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained-03

2017-09-17 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hey Joe, Thanks for that. Looks like an easy change for us to pick up along the way. Best, Adrian -Original Message- From: Joseph Salowey [mailto:j...@salowey.net] Sent: 17 September 2017 20:32 To: sec...@ietf.org Cc: opsawg@ietf.org; i...@ietf.org; draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-expl

Re: [OPSAWG] Fwd: AD Review of draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained

2017-09-20 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hey Benoit, Thanks for the review. > Figure 3: Network configuration model is a brand new term that is only > mentioned > in the figure, and not explained. OMG! That is a good catch. > In the same figure, could the "Device Configuration Model" be renamed to RFC > 8199 > "Network Element

Re: [OPSAWG] AD Review of draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained

2017-09-24 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Benoit, >> In RFC 8199, we made a distinction between model and YANG modules. >> This is why we defined the terms "Network Service YANG modules" and >> "Network Element YANG modules" and not models. You should follow this >> convention. After all, from the abstract, this document focuses on YA

Re: [OPSAWG] AD Review of draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained

2017-09-27 Thread Adrian Farrel
> For now I'll complete the AD writeup, and put it in AD watching, > revised ID needed state. Once y'all have figured out an answer I'll > hit the Go button. Fair enough, Warren. I have an update ready with changes for everyone else's comment, so we are "close". I know that Benoit is busy fell

Re: [OPSAWG] AD Review of draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained

2017-09-27 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Tom, Long time! > > What I see from 7950 is that a "YANG module" is a compilable blob of > > YANG that may include other modules or specific constructs from another > > module. That is clear enough. > > > > What is less clear is what a "data model" is or is not. I think that > > if, for example

Re: [OPSAWG] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained-03

2017-09-27 Thread Adrian Farrel
Thanks Robert, > I don't have text to suggest, but please look at the first bullet of section 5. > The explanation here was less helpful than the other bullets. Demonstrating the > confusion due to the reuse of the word "service" doesn't help clarify the > confusion. I wonder if there's more conve

Re: [OPSAWG] [RTG-DIR] RtgDir Review: draft-ietf-opsawg-service-model-explained

2017-10-12 Thread Adrian Farrel
Thanks David, > Abstract: "... used within the IETF...". Wouldn't the document serve better to > describe how the models could/are used by the industry including within SDN? > Several of these models are used by other SDOs for their work in e.g., > providing > network architecture, equipment requ

Re: [OPSAWG] Checking in on draft-ietf-opsawg-yang-vpn-service-pm

2022-09-05 Thread Adrian Farrel
nks, Adrian (as Shepherd) -Original Message- From: OPSAWG On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel Sent: 05 August 2022 14:03 To: 'Rob Wilton (rwilton)' Cc: draft-ietf-opsawg-yang-vpn-service-pm@ietf.org; opsawg@ietf.org Subject: [OPSAWG] Checking in on draft-ietf-opsawg-yang-vpn-service-p

Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-yang-vpn-service-pm-09

2022-09-16 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Tom, all, I think my review as Shepherd ran into the same concern. And it is one of my long-standing gripes that "we" (the IETF) repeatedly confuse VPN as a service with the means and mechanisms to realise the VPN within the network. Of course, as network engineers, it is understandable why

Re: [OPSAWG] AD review of draft-ietf-opsawg-sap-09

2022-11-06 Thread Adrian Farrel
I have a fly-by response to this which is to say that "service degraded" is not the same as "service down". Consider a p2mp service where one leaf is suddenly not reachable. You might say that the contracted service is not being delivered, but it will often be "almost

Re: [OPSAWG] A review of draft-ma-opsawg-ucl-acl

2023-05-25 Thread Adrian Farrel
Resending this cos somehow by autocomplete got mangled. Adrian -Original Message- From: Adrian Farrel Sent: 22 May 2023 09:59 To: 'ops...@ietf.com' Cc: 'draft-ma-opsawg-ucl-...@ietf.org' Subject: A review of draft-ma-opsawg-ucl-acl Hi all, I think that enha

Re: [OPSAWG] I-D Action: draft-ma-opsawg-ucl-acl-03.txt

2023-06-07 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, That was a quick and thorough update, thanks! I like this draft 😊 Cheers, Adrian -Original Message- From: I-D-Announce On Behalf Of internet-dra...@ietf.org Sent: 07 June 2023 11:44 To: i-d-annou...@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ma-opsawg-ucl-acl-03.txt A New Internet-Draf

Re: [OPSAWG] Working group adoption call for draft-ma-opsawg-ucl-acl-03

2023-09-11 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Tianran, I think this is a timely piece of work that should be adopted. I commit to further reviews if it is adopted. A few minor comments on this version, below. Nothing that needs to be fixed before adoption. There is a meta-question: should the schedule model be moved out into

Re: [OPSAWG] Should the schedule YANG model be seperated from draft-ietf-opsawg-ucl-acl?

2023-10-09 Thread Adrian Farrel
As I said in my original comment, I'd like to see this separation. Various recent conversations suggest that scheduling (services, resources, ACLs, etc.) is becoming a Big Thing. Having a common model to facilitate this would be really helpful. QUESTION FOR THE CHAIRS If this is split out, doe

Re: [OPSAWG] CALL FOR ADOPTION: Attachment circuits work

2023-10-09 Thread Adrian Farrel
Thanks for asking, Joe. Yes, I think that the WG should be working on ACs. Yes, I think that this set of I-Ds form the basis for what needs to be covered. I am *slightly* queasy about there being four documents. I'd be happier if some consolidation were possible. But I have no concrete sugg

[OPSAWG] YANG modules for scheduling

2023-10-11 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, I just saw draft-united-tvr-schedule-yang posted. Please be aware that OPSAWG is working on YANG modules for scheduling as well. draft-ietf-opsawg-ucl-acl was just recently adopted, but the Wg has determined that the scheduling aspects should be generalised and pulled out into a separate docu

Re: [OPSAWG] IETF ALTO 118 side meeting on exposure of network and compute information for edge computing

2023-11-01 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Jordi, Thanks for the heads-up on this meeting. It will clearly be of interest to the CATS working group although it is unclear from your brief summary of the issue whether you intend exposure of information to "the application" (by which I think you may mean the programs running on a host)

Re: [OPSAWG] Network Incident Management Side Meeting Summary

2023-12-12 Thread Adrian Farrel
[Adding the NMOP list - which is currently called NETMO] It's a month later. Nigel and I have been working on the first version of key terminology. We've actually made some progress (perhaps slower than our initial enthusiasm might have suggested). We're just putting the last polish on

Re: [OPSAWG] [mpls] [Detnet] IOAM, iOAM, and oOAM abbreviations

2023-12-16 Thread Adrian Farrel
I suppose that I don’t object to the definition of new abbreviations if people are keen. Personally, I don’t get the value of “inb-OAM” compared with “in-band OAM”. It’s not like it can be said faster (one additional syllable to say it) and it only saves four characters in typing. “oob

Re: [OPSAWG] New I-D -> Guidelines for Charactering "OAM"

2024-01-12 Thread Adrian Farrel
too generally, while others already have perfect definitions, that will lead to something similar to this document to bring the good into the light. Further comments in line… From: Greg Mirsky Sent: 12 January 2024 00:09 To: Carlos Pignataro ; Adrian Farrel Cc: Ops Area WG ; IETF IPPM

[OPSAWG] A new draft on Network Incident Terminology

2024-01-18 Thread Adrian Farrel
. Looking forward to a fruitful debate, Nigel and Adrian === Internet-Draft draft-davis-nmop-incident-terminology-00.txt is now available. Title: Some Key Terms for Incident Management Authors: Nigel Davis Adrian Farrel Name:draft-davis-nmop-incident

Re: [OPSAWG] 🔔 WG Adoption Call for draft-feng-opsawg-incident-management-04

2024-02-13 Thread Adrian Farrel
I am also as confused as Alex :-) The OPSAWG charter says: The Operations and Management Area receives occasional proposals for the development and publication of RFCs dealing with operational and management topics that are not in scope of an existing working group The NMOP charter i

[OPSAWG] Proposed Liaison Response to SG11

2024-03-09 Thread Adrian Farrel
chairs copying either mailing list. We do intend moving fairly quickly on this, but will wait until after MPLS has met (IETF Tuesday) before sending anything. Cheers, Adrian (for the MPLS WG chairs) -Original Message- From: mpls On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel Sent: 08 March 2024 15:37 To: '

[OPSAWG] Updated: Proposed Liaison Response to SG11

2024-03-11 Thread Adrian Farrel
ditional protocol work to resolve any issues using the procedures described in RFC 4775 and RFC 4929. Kind regards, Adrian Farrel, MPLS Working Group Co-Chair (On behalf of the MPLS Working Group and Co-Chairs) Joe Clarke, OPSAWG Co-Chair (On behalf of

Re: [OPSAWG] 🔔 WG Adoption Call for draft-pignataro-opsawg-oam-whaaat-question-mark-03

2024-04-17 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Henk, It should come as no surprise that I would be happy to see this adopted. I want to note that, as is always the case in the IETF, adoption would mean that the working group can change every word of the document and even decide to abandon the document. So Carlos and I are listening to al

Re: [OPSAWG] 🔔 WG Adoption Call for draft-pignataro-opsawg-oam-whaaat-question-mark-03

2024-05-02 Thread Adrian Farrel
That sounds like a good point, Dhruv. Cheers, Adrian From: OPSAWG On Behalf Of Dhruv Dhody Sent: 01 May 2024 11:52 To: Henk Birkholz Cc: OPSAWG Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] 🔔 WG Adoption Call for draft-pignataro-opsawg-oam-whaaat-question-mark-03 Hi, I support adoption. Just one commen

Re: [OPSAWG] 🔔 IPR Call for draft-pignataro-opsawg-oam-whaaat-question-mark-03

2024-05-02 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hello Henk, No I'm not aware of any IPR the pertains to the content of this draft. Adrian -Original Message- From: OPSAWG On Behalf Of Henk Birkholz Sent: 02 May 2024 16:49 To: opsawg ; draft-pignataro-opsawg-oam-whaaat-question-m...@ietf.org Subject: [OPSAWG] 🔔 IPR Call for draft-pig

[OPSAWG]Re: 🔔 WG Adoption Call for draft-pignataro-opsawg-oam-whaaat-question-mark-03

2024-05-08 Thread Adrian Farrel
Thanks Henk, Apologies for the fatuous original name of this draft (but it worked to get everyone's attention ;-) - Yes, your suggested new name works for me. - Since you ask, as one of the editors, I commit to a "pro-active alignment", making changes as requested by the WG, and paying attenti

[OPSAWG]Re: 🔔 WG Adoption Call for draft-pignataro-opsawg-oam-whaaat-question-mark-03

2024-05-10 Thread Adrian Farrel
sounds good with thanks! > > I can post a rev++ addressing all discussion thus far, and then an > unchanged draft-ietf-opsawg-...-00 > > Thanks! > > Carlos. > > On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 4:14 AM Adrian Farrel <mailto:adr...@olddog.co.uk>> wrote: > > Thanks Hen

[OPSAWG]Re: Reference to oam-characterization draft

2024-07-23 Thread Adrian Farrel
Well timed email, Alex. I made a note during today’s meeting to chase Benoit to see whether he is happy with the references. On reflection, getting Benoit happy may be a stretch. The authors are working on polish. Carlos plans a revision “soon”, and I plan to take a pass next week. My g

[OPSAWG] Thoughts on draft-song-opsawg-ntf

2018-10-16 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi authors and working group. I just had cause to read this document and thought I would share my comments on the list. The draft appears as -00, but it is a little more mature than that implies because it replaces draft-song-ntf-02. I think a foundation document on telemetry would be useful fo

Re: [OPSAWG] Thoughts on draft-song-opsawg-ntf

2018-10-17 Thread Adrian Farrel
> 3. need special definition and support, not apply for any mib data. > > Do you think the above are the SNMP defeat for telemetry use? > > Or what your thoughts? > > Thanks, > Tianran > > > -Original Message- > > From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adr...@oldd

[OPSAWG] Review of draft-evenwu-opsawg-yang-composed-vpn-02

2019-03-05 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi authors, I see you posted -02 and so I have given it a quick review. I spent my time on the early sections because those are the ones that introduce the ideas to the new reader. Feel free to discuss, although the changes are basically editorial. Best, Adrian === Abstract OLD This docume

Re: [OPSAWG] WG adoption poll for draft-song-opsawg-ntf

2019-03-14 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Tianran, working group, Tl;dr -- I support adoption I read Juergen's very substantive comments, and I probably need to go back and re-read them. Juergen is a beacon for how IETF participants should contribute constructively and in detail. His detailed comments and suggestions for improvement

[OPSAWG] Quick review of draft-evenwu-opsawg-yang-composed-vpn-03

2019-08-09 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hey authors, I reviewed -02 back in March and sent you a pile of comments mainly with suggested text changes. You posted -03 shortly after, and I just checked - looks like you made all of the changes. Thanks. While looking through the current version, I see a few bits and pieces that could be

[OPSAWG] Review of draft-ietf-opsawg-ntf

2019-09-27 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi authors, WG, I needed to read this document to check out a couple of things, and so here is a review that I collected along the way. I hope it is useful. In general, I found the document a help collection of thoughts on the space and I encourage more work to refine it. Best regards, Adrian

Re: [OPSAWG] WG adoption call for draft-aguado-opsawg-l3sm-l3nm-02

2019-09-30 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, I was co-chair of the L3SM working group and co-author of RFC 8309, "Service Models Explained". I think this model fits well with the previous work and I am encouraged that it derives from implementation of L3SM and has support from operators as well as being an implementation in progress.

Re: [OPSAWG] WG adoption call for draft-wu-model-driven-management-virtualization-07

2019-11-03 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, I just read the most recent version of this draft. It's a good starting point for describing the topic, and I think that the working group should adopt it up so we can reach agreement on the content. I appreciate Appendix A: including the material is helpful, but keeping it out of the main bo

Re: [OPSAWG] WG adoption call for draft-song-opsawg-ifit-framework-09

2019-12-11 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, I sent the authors comments on a previous version of the document and the authors made updates to address my concerns. Considering this adoption poll, I have done another review of the draft. I think it provides a useful overview of in-situ telemetry approaches and Will serve the WG

Re: [OPSAWG] WG adoption call for draft-song-opsawg-ifit-framework-09

2019-12-21 Thread Adrian Farrel
I think this discussion might have gotten a little out of hand! Frank is clearly upset that his comments at the microphone did not make it into the minutes. I think we all have a responsibility to review draft minutes when we have made comments and check that they have been captured correctly. W

Re: [OPSAWG] [netmod] Question on how to design a Yang model to reflect auto-asignment of a give leaf

2020-02-11 Thread Adrian Farrel
Isn’t it possible to handle case b) by defining a value to have the meaning “no value has been assigned” and then the user an explicitly set that value? Adrian From: netmod On Behalf Of Oscar González de Dios Sent: 11 February 2020 02:40 To: opsawg@ietf.org; net...@ietf.org Subject: [netmo

Re: [OPSAWG] Implementation report: ietf-l3vpn-ntw.yang Service Model

2020-05-09 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hey Roque, Good news about the implementation. If you look at Appendix A of the draft you'll see that a number of other implementations have been written up and included. I'm sure if you constructed some text and sent it to Oscar (the editor) he would be happy to include it in the next revisio

Re: [OPSAWG] Minutes of L3NM/L2NM module discussions

2020-05-28 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hey Tom, Is there a typo in your email? You said... > So carving out the current types (etc) will likely lead to a bad > outcome; it is a question of looking carefully across the range > of documents to see what is, or is likely to be common. I wondered whether you intended a "not" in there some

Re: [OPSAWG] Minutes of L3NM/L2NM module discussions

2020-05-28 Thread Adrian Farrel
;Oscar González de Dios' ; adr...@olddog.co..uk Cc: 'opsawg' Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] Minutes of L3NM/L2NM module discussions From: Adrian Farrel Sent: 28 May 2020 14:29 Hey Tom, Is there a typo in your email? You said... > So carving out the current types (etc) will likely lead

Re: [OPSAWG] Minutes of L3NM/L2NM module discussions

2020-05-29 Thread Adrian Farrel
> I asked what the four documents were since AFAICT two are published > RFC, and that has been confirmed. So what is going to happen to those > RFC? My proposal (but who am I to say what will actually happen) was: - step one: nothing The new module is shaped as it would have been had it been c

Re: [OPSAWG] WG LC: draft-ietf-opsawg-model-automation-framework-03

2020-06-11 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi, I've reviewed this document in working group last call and support its publication. I found the Appendix particularly helpful. I have some minor thoughts that the authors may want to consider as the document moves forward. Thanks, Adrian == idits says that draft-ietf-dots

Re: [OPSAWG] WG LC: draft-ietf-opsawg-model-automation-framework-03

2020-06-15 Thread Adrian Farrel
I looked at the diffs, and I think Med has correctly captured my comments. Thanks! Adrian From: OPSAWG On Behalf Of mohamed.boucad...@orange.com Sent: 15 June 2020 07:10 To: Tianran Zhou ; opsawg@ietf.org Cc: OpsAWG-Chairs Subject: Re: [OPSAWG] WG LC: draft-ietf-opsawg-model-automation-fr

Re: [OPSAWG] WG LC: draft-ietf-opsawg-model-automation-framework-03

2020-06-16 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Tianran, Since I did a detailed review during last call, and considering that I haven't been involved in the production of this document, I guess I can volunteer. OK? Best, Adrian From: OPSAWG On Behalf Of Tianran Zhou Sent: 15 June 2020 02:40 To: opsawg@ietf.org Cc: OpsAWG-Cha

Re: [OPSAWG] WG LC: draft-ietf-opsawg-model-automation-framework-03

2020-06-16 Thread Adrian Farrel
odel-automation-framework-03 Hi Adrian, Wonderful! Thank you very much. Cheers, Tianran From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adr...@olddog.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 5:41 PM To: Tianran Zhou ; opsawg@ietf.org Cc: 'OpsAWG-Chairs' Subject: RE: [OPSAWG] WG LC: draft-iet

Re: [OPSAWG] CALL FOR ADOPTION: draft-barguil-opsawg-l2sm-l2nm

2020-06-16 Thread Adrian Farrel
Hi Joe, I support adoption. I have an interest in this work from co-chairing L3SM and L2SM, and I have been attending some of the virtual meetings although I haven't made great contributions to the work. It seems to me that this work falls in scope alongside L3NM and I think it is similarly n

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