Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Scheduler split wrt Extensible Resource Tracking

2014-08-19 Thread Day, Phil
> -Original Message- > From: Nikola Đipanov [mailto:ndipa...@redhat.com] > Sent: 19 August 2014 17:50 > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Scheduler split wrt Extensible Resource > Tracking > > On 08/19/2014 06:39 PM, Sylvain Bauza wrote: > > On the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Scheduler split wrt Extensible Resource Tracking

2014-08-20 Thread Day, Phil
gt; On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 08:33:31AM -0400, Jay Pipes wrote: > > On 08/20/2014 04:48 AM, Nikola Đipanov wrote: > > >On 08/20/2014 08:27 AM, Joe Gordon wrote: > > >>On Aug 19, 2014 10:45 AM, "Day, Phil" > >><mailto:philip@hp.com>>

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?

2014-09-02 Thread Day, Phil
>Adding in such case more bureaucracy (specs) is not the best way to resolve >team throughput issues... I’d argue that if fundamental design disagreements can be surfaced and debated at the design stage rather than first emerging on patch set XXX of an implementation, and be used to then prior

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Feature Freeze Exception process for Juno

2014-09-02 Thread Day, Phil
Needing 3 out of 19 instead of 3 out of 20 isn't an order of magnatude according to my calculator. Its much closer/fairer than making it 2/19 vs 3/20. If a change is borderline in that it can only get 2 other cores maybe it doesn't have a strong enough case for an exception. Phil Sent from

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Feature Freeze Exception process for Juno

2014-09-04 Thread Day, Phil
> -Original Message- > From: Nikola Đipanov [mailto:ndipa...@redhat.com] > Sent: 03 September 2014 10:50 > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Feature Freeze Exception process for > Juno > > I will follow up with a more detailed email about what

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Feature Freeze Exception process for Juno

2014-09-04 Thread Day, Phil
> > > > One final note: the specs referenced above didn't get approved until > > Spec Freeze, which seemed to leave me with less time to implement > > things. In fact, it seemed that a lot of specs didn't get approved > > until spec freeze. Perhaps if we had more staggered approval of > > specs,

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Averting the Nova crisis by splitting out virt drivers

2014-09-04 Thread Day, Phil
Hi Daniel, Thanks for putting together such a thoughtful piece - I probably need to re-read it few times to take in everything you're saying, but a couple of thoughts that did occur to me: - I can see how this could help where a change is fully contained within a virt driver, but I wonder ho

[openstack-dev] [nova] FFE server-group-quotas

2014-09-05 Thread Day, Phil
Hi, I'd like to ask for a FFE for the 3 patchsets that implement quotas for server groups. Server groups (which landed in Icehouse) provides a really useful anti-affinity filter for scheduling that a lot of customers woudl like to use, but without some form of quota control to limit the amount

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Averting the Nova crisis by splitting out virt drivers

2014-09-05 Thread Day, Phil
> -Original Message- > From: Sean Dague [mailto:s...@dague.net] > Sent: 05 September 2014 11:49 > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Averting the Nova crisis by splitting out > virt drivers > > On 09/05/2014 03:02 AM, Sylvain Bauza wrote: > > > >

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] FFE server-group-quotas

2014-09-05 Thread Day, Phil
ber 2014 17:05 > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] FFE server-group-quotas > > On 09/05/2014 11:28 AM, Ken'ichi Ohmichi wrote: > > 2014-09-05 21:56 GMT+09:00 Day, Phil : > >> Hi, > >> > >> I'd like to

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] are we going to remove the novaclient v3 shell or what?

2014-09-17 Thread Day, Phil
I think in the hopefully not too distant future we'll be able to make the v1_1 client handle both V2 and V2.1 (who knows. Maybe we can even rename it v2) - and that's what we should do because it will prove if we have full compatibility or not. Right now the two things holding that back are the

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Expand resource name allowed characters

2014-09-17 Thread Day, Phil
> -Original Message- > From: Jay Pipes [mailto:jaypi...@gmail.com] > Sent: 12 September 2014 19:37 > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Expand resource name allowed > characters > > Had to laugh about the PILE OF POO character :) Comments inline...

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] are we going to remove the novaclient v3 shell or what?

2014-09-18 Thread Day, Phil
> -Original Message- > From: Kenichi Oomichi [mailto:oomi...@mxs.nes.nec.co.jp] > Sent: 18 September 2014 02:44 > To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] are we going to remove the novaclient > v3 shell or what? > > > > -O

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] are we going to remove the novaclient v3 shell or what?

2014-09-19 Thread Day, Phil
> > > > DevStack doesn't register v2.1 endpoint to keytone now, but we can use > > it with calling it directly. > > It is true that it is difficult to use v2.1 API now and we can check > > its behavior via v3 API instead. > > I posted a patch[1] for registering v2.1 endpoint to keystone, and I co

[openstack-dev] [nova] Maintaining backwards compatibility for RPC calls

2013-11-27 Thread Day, Phil
Hi Folks, I'm a bit confused about the expectations of a manager class to be able to receive and process messages from a previous RPC version. I thought the objective was to always make changes such that the manage can process any previous version of the call that could come from the last re

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint: standard specification of guest CPU topology

2013-12-03 Thread Day, Phil
Hi, I think the concept of allowing users to request a cpu topology, but have a few questions / concerns: > > The host is exposing info about vCPU count it is able to support and the > scheduler picks on that basis. The guest image is just declaring upper limits > on > topology it can support.

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Splitting up V3 API admin-actions plugin

2013-12-03 Thread Day, Phil
+1 from me - would much prefer to be able to pick this on an individual basis. Could kind of see a case for keeping reset_network and inject_network_info together - but don't have a strong feeling about it (as we don't use them) > -Original Message- > From: Andrew Laski [mailto:andrew.la

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Blueprint: standard specification of guest CPU topology

2013-12-03 Thread Day, Phil
the flavour is still valid, just not with this particular image - and that feels like a case that should fail validation at the API layer, not down on the compute node where the only option is to reschedule or go into an Error state. Phil > -Original Message- > From: Day, Phil >

[openstack-dev] [Nova] Core sponsors wanted for BP "user defined shutdown"

2013-12-04 Thread Day, Phil
Hi Nova cores, As per the discussion at the Summit I need two (or more) nova cores to sponsor the BP that allows Guests a chance to shutdown cleanly rather than just yanking the virtual power cord out -which is approved and targeted for I2 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35303/ The Non API a

[openstack-dev] [Nova] All I want for Christmas is one more +2 ...

2013-12-12 Thread Day, Phil
Hi Cores, The "Stop, Rescue, and Delete should give guest a chance to shutdown" change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35303/ was approved a couple of days ago, but failed to merge because the RPC version had moved on. Its rebased and sitting there with one +2 and a bunch of +1s -would be r

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] All I want for Christmas is one more +2 ...

2013-12-16 Thread Day, Phil
cember 2013 14:38 > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] All I want for Christmas is one more +2 > ... > > On 12/12/2013 09:22 AM, Day, Phil wrote: > > Hi Cores, > > > > > > > > The "Stop, Rescue, and

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Future meeting times

2013-12-18 Thread Day, Phil
+1, I would make the 14:00 meeting. I often have good intention of making the 21:00 meeting, but it's tough to work in around family life Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message From: Joe Gordon Date: To: OpenStack Development Mailing List Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [

[openstack-dev] [nova] minimum review period for functional changes that break backwards compatibility

2013-12-28 Thread Day, Phil
Hi Folks, I know it may seem odd to be arguing for slowing down a part of the review process, but I'd like to float the idea that there should be a minimum review period for patches that change existing functionality in a way that isn't backwards compatible. The specific change that got me thi

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] minimum review period for functional changes that break backwards compatibility

2013-12-28 Thread Day, Phil
> -Original Message- > From: Robert Collins [mailto:robe...@robertcollins.net] > Sent: 29 December 2013 05:36 > To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] minimum review period for functional > changes that break backwards compatib

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] minimum review period for functional changes that break backwards compatibility

2013-12-29 Thread Day, Phil
at break backwards compatibility > > On 29 December 2013 04:21, Day, Phil wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > > > > > > > I know it may seem odd to be arguing for slowing down a part of the > > review process, but I'd like to float the idea that there shoul

[openstack-dev] [nova] - Revert change of default ephemeral fs to ext4

2013-12-29 Thread Day, Phil
Hi Folks, As highlighted in the thread "minimal review period for functional changes" I'd like to propose that change is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63209/ is reverted because: - It causes inconsistent behaviour in the system, as any existing "default" backing files will have ex

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] minimum review period for functional changes that break backwards compatibility

2013-12-29 Thread Day, Phil
that break backwards compatibility On 12/29/2013 03:06 AM, Day, Phil wrote: >> Basically, I'm not sure what problem you're trying to solve - lets tease that >> out, and then talk about how to solve it. "Backwards incompatible change >> landed" might be

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] - Revert change of default ephemeral fs to ext4

2013-12-30 Thread Day, Phil
Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message From: Pádraig Brady Date: To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" Cc: "Day, Phil" Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] - Revert change of default ephemeral fs to ext4 &g

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] - Revert change of default ephemeral fs to ext4

2013-12-30 Thread Day, Phil
ves the ephemeral backing files though at the moment. Phil Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message From: Pádraig Brady Date: To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" ,"Day, Phil" Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] - Revert

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] minimum review period for functional changes that break backwards compatibility

2013-12-30 Thread Day, Phil
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] minimum review period for functional changes that break backwards compatibility On 29 December 2013 21:06, Day, Phil wrote: >> What is the minimum review period intended to accomplish? I mean: >> everyone that reviewed this *knew* it changed a def

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] minimum review period for functional changes that break backwards compatibility

2014-01-01 Thread Day, Phil
Hi Sean, and Happy New Year :-) > -Original Message- > From: Sean Dague [mailto:s...@dague.net] > Sent: 30 December 2013 22:05 > To: Day, Phil; OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] minimum review period for funct

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] minimum review period for functional changes that break backwards compatibility

2014-01-02 Thread Day, Phil
I don't really see why this thread seems to keep coming back to a position of improvements to the review process vs changes to automated testing - to my mind both are equally important and complementary parts of the solution: - Automated tests are strong for objective examination of particular p

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] minimum review period for functional changes that break backwards compatibility

2014-01-02 Thread Day, Phil
Hi Thierry, Thanks for a great summary. I don't really share your view that there is a "us vs them" attitude emerging between operators and developers (but as someone with a foot in both camps maybe I'm just thinking that because otherwise I'd become even more bi-polar :-) I would suggest t

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] - Revert change of default ephemeral fs to ext4

2014-01-02 Thread Day, Phil
Change to revert the default to ext3: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64666/ > -Original Message- > From: Clint Byrum [mailto:cl...@fewbar.com] > Sent: 31 December 2013 01:31 > To: openstack-dev > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] - Revert change of default ephemeral fs > to ext4 >

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] minimum review period for functional changes that break backwards compatibility

2014-01-07 Thread Day, Phil
Would be nice in this specific example though if the actual upgrade impact was explicitly called out in the commit message. >From the DocImpact it looks as if some Neutron config options are changing >names - in which case the impact would seem to be that running systems have >until the end of

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] where to expose network quota

2014-01-10 Thread Day, Phil
> -Original Message- > From: Robert Collins [mailto:robe...@robertcollins.net] > Sent: 10 January 2014 08:54 > To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] where to expose network quota > > On 8 January 2014 03:01, Christopher Yeo

[openstack-dev] Next steps for Whole Host allocation / Pclouds

2014-01-20 Thread Day, Phil
HI Folks, The original (and fairly simple) driver behind whole-host-allocation (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/WholeHostAllocation) was to enable users to get guaranteed isolation for their instances. This then grew somewhat along the lines of "If they have in effect a dedicated hosts then wo

Re: [openstack-dev] Next steps for Whole Host allocation / Pclouds

2014-01-21 Thread Day, Phil
> > > So, I actually don't think the two concepts (reservations and > > > "isolated instances") are competing ideas. Isolated instances are > > > actually not reserved. They are simply instances that have a > > > condition placed on their assignment to a particular compute node > > > that the node

Re: [openstack-dev] Climate - Was: Next steps for Whole Host allocation / Pclouds

2014-01-21 Thread Day, Phil
> Hi Phil and Jay, > >Phil, maybe you remember I discussed with you about the possibility of using >pclouds with Climate, but we finally ended up using Nova aggregates and a >dedicated filter. >That works pretty fine. We don't use instance_properties >but rather aggregate metadata but the idea

Re: [openstack-dev] Next steps for Whole Host allocation / Pclouds

2014-01-21 Thread Day, Phil
> > > > I think there is clear water between this and the existing aggregate based > isolation. I also think this is a different use case from reservations. > It's > *mostly* like a new scheduler hint, but because it has billing impacts I > think it > needs to be more than just that - for exa

Re: [openstack-dev] Next steps for Whole Host allocation / Pclouds

2014-01-21 Thread Day, Phil
> -Original Message- > From: Khanh-Toan Tran [mailto:khanh-toan.t...@cloudwatt.com] > Sent: 21 January 2014 14:21 > To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Next steps for Whole Host allocation / Pclouds > > > > Exactly - that's why I

Re: [openstack-dev] Next steps for Whole Host allocation / Pclouds

2014-01-23 Thread Day, Phil
> -Original Message- > From: Jay Pipes [mailto:jaypi...@gmail.com] > Sent: 22 January 2014 02:01 > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Next steps for Whole Host allocation / Pclouds > > On Tue, 2014-01-21 at 14:21 +, Khanh-Toan Tran wrote: > > > Exactly

Re: [openstack-dev] Next steps for Whole Host allocation / Pclouds

2014-01-23 Thread Day, Phil
> -Original Message- > From: Sylvain Bauza [mailto:sylvain.ba...@bull.net] > Sent: 22 January 2014 10:24 > To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Next steps for Whole Host allocation / Pclouds > > Le 22/01/2014 02:50, Jay Pipes a écr

Re: [openstack-dev] Next steps for Whole Host allocation / Pclouds

2014-01-23 Thread Day, Phil
Jay Pipes wrote on 01/21/2014 08:50:36 PM: ... > On Tue, 2014-01-21 at 14:28 +0000, Day, Phil wrote: > > > > > > > > I think there is clear water between this and the existing aggregate > > > > based > > > isolation.  I also think this is a dif

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] our update story: can people live with it?

2014-01-24 Thread Day, Phil
> > > > Cool. I like this a good bit better as it avoids the reboot. Still, this is > > a rather > large amount of data to copy around if I'm only changing a single file in > Nova. > > > > I think in most cases transfer cost is worth it to know you're deploying what > you tested. Also it is pret

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] our update story: can people live with it?

2014-01-24 Thread Day, Phil
> On 01/22/2014 12:17 PM, Dan Prince wrote: > > I've been thinking a bit more about how TripleO updates are developing > specifically with regards to compute nodes. What is commonly called the > "update story" I think. > > > > As I understand it we expect people to actually have to reboot a compute

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Why Nova should fail to boot if there are only one private network and one public network ?

2014-01-24 Thread Day, Phil
HI Sylvain, The change only makes the user have to supply a network ID if there is more than one private network available (and the issue there is that otherwise the assignment order in the Guest is random, which normally leads to all sorts of routing problems). I'm running a standard Devstack

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] bp proposal: discovery of peer instances through metadata service

2014-01-24 Thread Day, Phil
Hi Justin, I can see the value of this, but I'm a bit wary of the metadata service extending into a general API - for example I can see this extending into a debate about what information needs to be made available about the instances (would you always want all instances exposed, all details, e

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova]Why not allow to create a vm directly with two VIF in the same network

2014-01-24 Thread Day, Phil
I agree its oddly inconsistent (you'll get used to that over time ;-) - but to me it feels more like the validation is missing on the attach that that the create should allow two VIFs on the same network. Since these are both virtualised (i.e share the same bandwidth, don't provide any additi

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Why Nova should fail to boot if there are only one private network and one public network ?

2014-01-24 Thread Day, Phil
the networks in the order that they want them to be attached to. Am I still missing something ? Cheers, Phil From: Sylvain Bauza [mailto:sylvain.ba...@bull.net] Sent: 24 January 2014 14:02 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Cc: Day, Phil Subject: Re: [openstack-

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] bp proposal: discovery of peer instances through metadata service

2014-01-24 Thread Day, Phil
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] bp proposal: discovery of peer instances through metadata service

2014-01-24 Thread Day, Phil
> > Good points - thank you.  For arbitrary operations, I agree that it would be > better to expose a token in the metadata service, rather than allowing the > metadata service to expose unbounded amounts of API functionality.  We > should therefore also have a per-instance token in the metadata,

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] bp proposal: discovery of peer instances through metadata service

2014-01-27 Thread Day, Phil
> -Original Message- > From: Clint Byrum [mailto:cl...@fewbar.com] > Sent: 24 January 2014 21:09 > To: openstack-dev > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] bp proposal: discovery of peer instances > through metadata service > > Excerpts from Justin Santa Barbara's message of 2014-01-24 12:2

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] bp proposal: discovery of peer instances through metadata service

2014-01-27 Thread Day, Phil
>> >> What worried me most, I think, is that if we make this part of the standard >> metadata then everyone would get it, and that raises a couple of concerns: >> >> - Users with lots of instances (say 1000's) but who weren't trying to run any >> form of discovery would start getting a lot more m

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] bp proposal: discovery of peer instances through metadata service

2014-01-29 Thread Day, Phil
> -Original Message- > From: Justin Santa Barbara [mailto:jus...@fathomdb.com] > Sent: 28 January 2014 20:17 > To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] bp proposal: discovery of peer instances > through metadata service > > Tha

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] bp proposal: discovery of peer instances through metadata service

2014-01-29 Thread Day, Phil
): > i = self.get_instance_by_ip(ip) > +mpi = self._get_mpi_data(i['project_id']) > if i is None: > return None > if i['key_name']: > @@ -135,7 +148,8 @@ class CloudController(object): > 'pu

Re: [openstack-dev] about the bp cpu-entitlement

2014-02-04 Thread Day, Phil
Hi, There were a few related blueprints which were looking to add various additional types of resource to the scheduler - all of which will now be implemented on top of a new generic mechanism covered by: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/extensible-resource-tracking > -Original

[openstack-dev] How do I mark one option as deprecating another one ?

2014-02-26 Thread Day, Phil
Hi Folks, I could do with some pointers on config value deprecation. All of the examples in the code and documentation seem to deal with the case of "old_opt" being replaced by "new_opt" but still returning the same value Here using deprecated_name and / or deprecated_opts in the definition of

Re: [openstack-dev] How do I mark one option as deprecating another one ?

2014-02-27 Thread Day, Phil
ide any deprecated options present. If the new option is not present and multiple deprecated options are present, the option corresponding to the first element of deprecated_opts will be chosen. I hope that it'll help you. Best regards, Denis Makogon. On Wed, Feb 26

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Future of the Nova API

2014-02-28 Thread Day, Phil
> -Original Message- > From: Chris Behrens [mailto:cbehr...@codestud.com] > Sent: 26 February 2014 22:05 > To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Future of the Nova API > > > This thread is many messages deep now and I'm busy

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Future of the Nova API

2014-02-28 Thread Day, Phil
> -Original Message- > From: Jay Pipes [mailto:jaypi...@gmail.com] > Sent: 24 February 2014 23:49 > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Future of the Nova API > > > > Similarly with a Xen vs KVM situation I don't think its an extension > > related i

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Future of the Nova API

2014-02-28 Thread Day, Phil
e) for not adding lots of completely new features into V2 if V3 was already available in a stable form - but V2 already provides a nearly complete support for nova-net features on top of Neutron.I fail to see what is wrong with continuing to improve that. Phil > -Original Message- &g

[openstack-dev] [nova] novaclient support for V2.1 micro versions

2015-01-23 Thread Day, Phil
Hi Folks, Is there any support yet in novaclient for requesting a specific microversion ? (looking at the final leg of extending clean-shutdown to the API, and wondering how to test this in devstack via the novaclient) Phil ___

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Proposal: remove the server groups feature

2014-04-25 Thread Day, Phil
Hi Jay, I'm going to disagree with you on this one, because: i) This is a feature that was discussed in at least one if not two Design Summits and went through a long review period, it wasn't one of those changes that merged in 24 hours before people could take a good look at it. Whatever you

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Proposal: remove the server groups feature

2014-04-28 Thread Day, Phil
> -Original Message- > From: Jay Pipes [mailto:jaypi...@gmail.com] > Sent: 25 April 2014 23:29 > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Proposal: remove the server groups > feature > > On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 22:00 +, Day

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Proposal: remove the server groups feature

2014-05-01 Thread Day, Phil
> > > > In the original API there was a way to remove members from the group. > > This didn't make it into the code that was submitted. > > Well, it didn't make it in because it was broken. If you add an instance to a > group after it's running, a migration may need to take place in order to keep

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][service group]improve host state detection

2014-05-01 Thread Day, Phil
>Nova now can detect host unreachable. But it fails to make out host isolation, >host dead and nova compute service down. When host unreachable is reported, >users have to find out the exact state by himself and then take the >appropriate measure to recover. Therefore we'd like to improve the ho

Re: [openstack-dev] [Cinder] Confusion about the respective use cases for volume's admin_metadata, metadata and glance_image_metadata

2014-05-21 Thread Day, Phil
> -Original Message- > From: Tripp, Travis S > Sent: 07 May 2014 18:06 > To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Cinder] Confusion about the respective use > cases for volume's admin_metadata, metadata and glance_image_metadata > > >

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] nova default quotas

2014-05-27 Thread Day, Phil
Hi Vish, I think quota classes have been removed from Nova now. Phil Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message From: Vishvananda Ishaya Date:27/05/2014 19:24 (GMT+00:00) To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] no

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] [Neutron] heal_instance_info_cache_interval - Can we kill it?

2014-05-29 Thread Day, Phil
Could we replace the refresh from the period task with a timestamp in the network cache of when it was last updated so that we refresh it only when it’s accessed if older that X ? From: Aaron Rosen [mailto:aaronoro...@gmail.com] Sent: 29 May 2014 01:47 To: Assaf Muller Cc: OpenStack Development

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] nova default quotas

2014-05-29 Thread Day, Phil
faults are, but it looks like this isn't the case. Unfortunately the API removal in Nova was followed by similar changes in novaclient and Horizon, so fixing Icehouse at this point is probably going to be difficult. [Day, Phil] I think we should revert the changes in all three system then.

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Proposal: Move CPU and memory allocation ratio out of scheduler

2014-06-04 Thread Day, Phil
Hi Jay, > * Host aggregates may also have a separate allocation ratio that overrides > any configuration setting that a particular host may have So with your proposal would the resource tracker be responsible for picking and using override values defined as part of an aggregate that includes the

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] nova default quotas

2014-06-04 Thread Day, Phil
/lists.openstack.org/__pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-__February/027574.html <http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-February/027574.html> [2] https://bugs.launchpad.net/__nova/+bug/1299517 <https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1299517>

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Different tenants can assign the same hostname to different machines without an error

2014-06-04 Thread Day, Phil
> The patch [2] proposes changing the default DNS driver from > 'nova.network.noop_dns_driver.NoopDNSDriver' to other that verifies if > DNS entries already exists before adding them, such as the > 'nova.network.minidns.MiniDNS'. Changing a default setting in a way that isn't backwards compatible

[openstack-dev] [Nova] Need help with a gnarly Object Version issue

2014-06-04 Thread Day, Phil
Hi Folks, I've been working on a change to make the user_data field an optional part of the Instance object since passing it around everywhere seems a bad idea since: - It can be huge - It's only used when getting metadata - It can contain user sensitive data - http

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Proposal: Move CPU and memory allocation ratio out of scheduler

2014-06-05 Thread Day, Phil
> -Original Message- > From: Jay Pipes [mailto:jaypi...@gmail.com] > Sent: 04 June 2014 19:23 > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Proposal: Move CPU and memory > allocation ratio out of scheduler > > On 06/04/2014 1

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Need help with a gnarly Object Version issue

2014-06-05 Thread Day, Phil
Hi Dan, > > > On a compute manager that is still running the old version of the code > > (i.e using the previous object version), if a method that hasn't yet > > been converted to objects gets a dict created from the new version of > > the object (e.g. rescue, get_console_output), then object_co

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Proposal: Move CPU and memory allocation ratio out of scheduler

2014-06-06 Thread Day, Phil
mes you do want to lie to your users! [Day, Phil] I agree that there is a problem with having every new option we add in extra_specs leading to a new set of flavors.There are a number of changes up for review to expose more hypervisor capabilities via extra_specs that also have this potenti

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Proposal: Move CPU and memory allocation ratio out of scheduler

2014-06-06 Thread Day, Phil
mes you do want to lie to your users! [Day, Phil] BTW you might be able to (nearly) do this already if you define aggregates for the two QoS pools, and limit which projects can be scheduled into those pools using the AggregateMultiTenancyIsolation filter.I say nearly because as pointed out by

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Arbitrary "extra specs" for compute nodes?

2014-06-09 Thread Day, Phil
Hi Joe, Can you give some examples of what that data would be used for ? It sounds on the face of it that what you’re looking for is pretty similar to what Extensible Resource Tracker sets out to do (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86050 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/71557) Phil From:

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Proposal: Move CPU and memory allocation ratio out of scheduler

2014-06-12 Thread Day, Phil
> -Original Message- > From: Jay Pipes [mailto:jaypi...@gmail.com] > Sent: 09 June 2014 19:03 > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Proposal: Move CPU and memory > allocation ratio out of scheduler > > On 06/09/2014 12:32 PM, Chris Friesen wrote: >

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Review guidelines for API patches

2014-06-13 Thread Day, Phil
Hi Chris, >The documentation is NOT the canonical source for the behaviour of the API, >currently the code should be seen as the reference. We've run into issues >before where people have tried to align code to the fit the documentation and >made backwards incompatible changes (although this is

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Review guidelines for API patches

2014-06-13 Thread Day, Phil
I agree that we need to keep a tight focus on all API changes. However was the problem with the floating IP change just to do with the implementation in Nova or the frequency with which Ceilometer was calling it ? Whatever guildelines we follow on API changes themselves its pretty hard to p

[openstack-dev] [nova] Do any hyperviors allow disk reduction as part of resize ?

2014-06-13 Thread Day, Phil
Hi Folks, I was looking at the resize code in libvirt, and it has checks which raise an exception if the target root or ephemeral disks are smaller than the current ones - which seems fair enough I guess (you can't drop arbitary disk content on resize), except that the because the check is in

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Do any hyperviors allow disk reduction as part of resize ?

2014-06-13 Thread Day, Phil
ically impossible to reduce disk unless you have some really nasty guest additions. On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 6:02 AM, Day, Phil mailto:philip@hp.com>> wrote: Hi Folks, I was looking at the resize code in libvirt, and it has checks which raise an exception if the target root or ephemer

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Do any hyperviors allow disk reduction as part of resize ?

2014-06-13 Thread Day, Phil
ki [mailto:andrew.la...@rackspace.com] Sent: 13 June 2014 13:57 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Do any hyperviors allow disk reduction as part of resize ? On 06/13/2014 08:03 AM, Day, Phil wrote: >Theoretically impossible to

[openstack-dev] [nova][ironic] what to do with unit test failures from ironic api contract

2014-06-13 Thread Day, Phil
Hi Folks, A recent change introduced a unit test to "warn/notify developers" when they make a change which will break the out of tree Ironic virt driver: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98201 Ok - so my change (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68942) broke it as it adds some extra parameter

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Do any hyperviors allow disk reduction as part of resize ?

2014-06-16 Thread Day, Phil
Beyond what is and isn’t technically possible at the file system level there is always the problem that the user may have more data than can fit into the reduced disk. I don’t want to take away useful functionality from folks if there are cases where it already works – mostly I just want to imp

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][ironic] what to do with unit test failures from ironic api contract

2014-06-16 Thread Day, Phil
contract Hi! On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Day, Phil mailto:philip@hp.com>> wrote: Hi Folks, A recent change introduced a unit test to “warn/notify developers” when they make a change which will break the out of tree Ironic virt driver: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98201 Ok –

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Do any hyperviors allow disk reduction as part of resize ?

2014-06-18 Thread Day, Phil
> -Original Message- > From: Russell Bryant [mailto:rbry...@redhat.com] > Sent: 17 June 2014 15:57 > To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Do any hyperviors allow disk reduction > as part of resize ? > > On 06/17/2014 10:43 A

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] locked instances and snaphot

2014-06-18 Thread Day, Phil
> -Original Message- > From: Ahmed RAHAL [mailto:ara...@iweb.com] > Sent: 18 June 2014 01:21 > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] locked instances and snaphot > > Hi there, > > Le 2014-06-16 15:28, melanie witt a écrit : > > Hi all, > > > [...] > >

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Do any hyperviors allow disk reduction as part of resize ?

2014-06-18 Thread Day, Phil
gt; > On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 11:05:01AM +, Day, Phil wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Russell Bryant [mailto:rbry...@redhat.com] > > > Sent: 17 June 2014 15:57 > > > To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) >

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] [bug?] live migration fails with boot-from-volume

2014-03-08 Thread Day, Phil
I guess that would depend on whether the flavour has any ephemeral storage in addition to the boot volume. The block migration should work in this case, have you tried that. Sent from Samsung Mobile Original message From: Chris Friesen Date:08/03/2014 06:16 (GMT+00:00) To:

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][scheduler] Availability Zones and Host aggregates..

2014-03-27 Thread Day, Phil
Sorry if I'm coming late to this thread, but why would you define AZs to cover "othognal zones" ? AZs are a very specific form of aggregate - they provide a particular isolation schematic between the hosts (i.e. physical hosts are never in more than one AZ) - hence the "availability" in the nam

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][scheduler] Availability Zones and Host aggregates..

2014-03-27 Thread Day, Phil
> > The need arises when you need a way to use both the zones to be used for > scheduling when no specific zone is specified. The only way to do that is > either have a AZ which is a superset of the two AZ or the other way could be > if the default_scheduler_zone can take a list of zones inste

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][scheduler] Availability Zones and Host aggregates..

2014-03-27 Thread Day, Phil
> -Original Message- > From: Vishvananda Ishaya [mailto:vishvana...@gmail.com] > Sent: 26 March 2014 20:33 > To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][scheduler] Availability Zones and Host > aggregates.. > > > On Mar 26, 2014,

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][scheduler] Availability Zones and Host aggregates..

2014-03-27 Thread Day, Phil
> -Original Message- > From: Chris Friesen [mailto:chris.frie...@windriver.com] > Sent: 27 March 2014 18:15 > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][scheduler] Availability Zones and Host > aggregates.. > > On 03/27/2014 1

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][scheduler] Availability Zones and Host aggregates..

2014-03-28 Thread Day, Phil
>> Personally, I feel it is a mistake to continue to use the Amazon concept >> of an availability zone in OpenStack, as it brings with it the >> connotation from AWS EC2 that each zone is an independent failure >> domain. This characteristic of EC2 availability zones is not enforced in >> OpenStack

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ?

2014-04-07 Thread Day, Phil
Hi Sylvain, There was a similar thread on this recently - which might be worth reviewing: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-March/031006.html Some interesting use cases were posted, and a I don't think a conclusion was reached, which seems to suggest this might be a good

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Trove] Managed Instances Feature

2014-04-07 Thread Day, Phil
I can see the case for Trove being to create an instance within a customer's tenant (if nothing else it would make adding it onto their Neutron network a lot easier), but I'm wondering why it really needs to be hidden from them ? If the instances have a name that makes it pretty obvious that Tro

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