Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][Tempest] Tempest API test for Neutron LBaaS

Sean, David, Thanks for your reply and useful links. Neutron LBaaS API had experimental status, so i think the guidelines might be relaxed for this case, but now I just tend to workaround this and preserve API compatibility. Thanks, Eugene. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 9:57 PM, David Kranz wrote:

[openstack-dev] [keystone][py3] Usage of httpretty

Hi, I was wondering for the reason behind the usage httpretty in python-keystoneclient. It seems to me like a total overkill for a test. It also has some problems with python3 support that is currently blocking python3 porting as well. Regards chuck ___

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT software configuration refined after design summit discussions

Steve Baker wrote on 11/19/2013 03:40:54 PM: ... > How to define and deliver this agent is the challenge. Some options are: > 1) install it as part of the image customization/bootstrapping (golden > images or cloud-init) > 2) define a (mustache?) template in the SoftwareConfig which > os-collect-

Re: [openstack-dev] [horizon] Javascript development improvement

On 20/11/13 17:01 +0100, Maxime Vidori wrote: Hi all, I know it is pretty annoying but I have to resurrect this subject. With the integration of Angularjs into Horizon we will encounter a lot of issues with javascript. I ask you to reconsider to bring back Nodejs as a development platform. I am

Re: [openstack-dev] The recent gate performance and how it affects you

On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 2:44:52 PM, Clark Boylan wrote: Joe Gordon has been doing great working tracking test failures and how often they affect us. Post Havana release the failure rate has increased dramatically, negatively affecting the gate and forcing it to run in a near worst case

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT software configuration refined after design summit discussions

Clint Byrum wrote on 11/19/2013 04:28:31 PM: > From: Clint Byrum > To: openstack-dev , > Date: 11/19/2013 04:30 PM > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT software configuration > refined after design summit discussions > > Excerpts from Steve Baker's message of 2013-11-19 13:06:21 -0800: >

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack][qa][Tempest][Network] Test for external connectivity

On 11/18/2013 02:41 AM, Yair Fried wrote: I'm editing tempest/scenario/test_network_basic_ops.py for external connectivity as the TODO listed in its docstring. the test cases are for pinging against external ip and url to test connectivity and dns respectivly. since default deployement (devstack

Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone][py3] Usage of httpretty

I don't have a great answer -- do any projects depend on it other than python-keystoneclient? I'm happy to see it removed -- I see the immediate benefit but it's obviously not significant relative to python 3 support. BTW, this exact issue is being tracked here- https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-k

Re: [openstack-dev] The recent gate performance and how it affects you

On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Clark Boylan wrote: > How do we avoid this in the future? Step one is reviewers that are > approving changes (or reverifying them) should keep an eye on the gate > queue. Talking on the -infra IRC channel just now, it has become clear to me that we need to stop a

Re: [openstack-dev] Search Project - summit follow up

On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Dmitri Zimin(e) | StackStorm < d...@stackstorm.com> wrote: > Thanks Terry for highlighting this: > > Yes, tenant isolation is the must. It's not reflected in the prototype - > it queries Solr directly; but the proper implementation will go through the > query API s

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT software configuration refined after design summit discussions

On 11/21/2013 10:46 AM, Mike Spreitzer wrote: > Clint Byrum wrote on 11/19/2013 04:28:31 PM: > > From: Clint Byrum > > To: openstack-dev , > > Date: 11/19/2013 04:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT software configuration > > refined after design summit discussions > > > > Excerpts

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack][qa][Tempest][Network] Test for external connectivity

On 2013-11-20 14:07:49 -0800 (-0800), Sean Dague wrote: > On 11/18/2013 02:41 AM, Yair Fried wrote: > [...] > > 2. add fields in tempest.conf for > > * external connectivity = False/True > > * external ip to test against (ie 8.8.8.8) > > +1 for #2. In the gate we'll need to think about w

Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone][py3] Usage of httpretty

Chuck, The reason to use httpretty is that it handles everything at the socket layer, this means if we change out urllib for requests or some other transport to make HTTP requests to we don't need to refactor every one of the mock/mox subouts to match the exact set of parameters to be passed. Htt

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT software configuration refined after design summit discussions

Excerpts from Mike Spreitzer's message of 2013-11-20 13:46:25 -0800: > Clint Byrum wrote on 11/19/2013 04:28:31 PM: > > From: Clint Byrum > > To: openstack-dev , > > Date: 11/19/2013 04:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT software configuration > > refined after design summit disc

Re: [openstack-dev] Propose "project story wiki" idea

Hmm, I was sort of thinking along the same lines after writing my post-summit summary for keystone: https://gist.github.com/dolph/7366031 Granted this is the first time I've written such a document, I could see this evolving into a regularly updated document on the long term direction that keys

[openstack-dev] [Ceilometer] meaning of resource_id in a meter

hi, for reference, this is a continuation of discussion from meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2013/ceilometer.2013-11-20-21.00.log.html (see #topic what's a resource?) came across a question when reviewing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56019... basically, in Samp

Re: [openstack-dev] The recent gate performance and how it affects you

On 11/20/2013 05:10 PM, Michael Still wrote: > On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Clark Boylan wrote: > >> How do we avoid this in the future? Step one is reviewers that are >> approving changes (or reverifying them) should keep an eye on the gate >> queue. > > Talking on the -infra IRC channel ju

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] rough draft of Heat autoscaling API

On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Zane Bitter wrote: > On 20/11/13 16:07, Christopher Armstrong wrote: > >> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Zane Bitter > > wrote: >> >> On 19/11/13 19:14, Christopher Armstrong wrote: >> >> >> >> [snip] >> >> >> >> >> There are a

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Continue discussing multi-region orchestration

On 20/11/13 20:09, Mike Spreitzer wrote: Zane Bitter wrote on 11/15/2013 05:59:06 PM: > On 15/11/13 22:17, Keith Bray wrote: > > The way I view 2 vs. 4 is that 2 is more complicated and you don't gain > > any benefit of availability. If, in 2, your global heat endpoint is down, > > you can'

Re: [openstack-dev] [Swift] Goals for Icehouse

Thanks John for the summary - and all contributors for their work! Others are looking in to how to grow clusters (changing the partition power) I'm interested who else is also working on this - I successfully increased partition power of several (smaller) clusters and would like to discuss m

Re: [openstack-dev] [Swift] Goals for Icehouse

Please keep those discussing in the open. #openstack-swift would be a great place to discuss what you did and figure out a general solution for others. --john On Nov 20, 2013, at 2:52 PM, Christian Schwede wrote: > Thanks John for the summary - and all contributors for their work! > >> Other

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT software configuration refined after design summit discussions

On 11/21/2013 11:41 AM, Clint Byrum wrote: > Excerpts from Mike Spreitzer's message of 2013-11-20 13:46:25 -0800: >> Clint Byrum wrote on 11/19/2013 04:28:31 PM: >>> From: Clint Byrum >>> To: openstack-dev , >>> Date: 11/19/2013 04:30 PM >>> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT software confi

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] Continue discussing multi-region orchestration

Excerpts from Mike Spreitzer's message of 2013-11-20 11:09:34 -0800: > OTOH, the more we restrict what can be done, the less useful this really > is. I would be more specific and say it as "...the less divergent behavior is actually possible." It will be quite a bit more useful if it is boring a

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-docs] What's Up Doc? Nov 20 2013

Thanks Nermina, I'll definitely be in contact! Lana On 21/11/13 08:47, Nermina Miller wrote: Dear Lana, please let me know if you need any information or help with the Cloud Admin Guide. I participated in the original restructure. Thank you for all of your efforts. - Nermina On Wed, Nov 20, 2

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT software configuration refined after design summit discussions

Regarding my previous email: > Steve Baker wrote on 11/19/2013 03:40:54 PM: > ... > > How to define and deliver this agent is the challenge. Some options are: > > 1) install it as part of the image customization/bootstrapping (golden > > images or cloud-init) > > > 2) define a (mustache?) temp

Re: [openstack-dev] How to stage client major releases in Gerrit?

Excerpts from Mark Washenberger's message of 2013-11-20 10:14:42 -0800: > Hi folks, > > The project python-glanceclient is getting close to needing a major release > in order to finally remove some long-deprecated features, and to make some > minor adjustments that are technically backwards-incomp

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT software configuration refined after design summit discussions

Steve Baker wrote on 11/20/2013 06:00:47 PM: ... > > What I meant to convey is "let's give this piece of the interface a lot of > > thought". Not "this is wrong to even have." Given a couple of days now, > > I think we do need "apply" and "remove". We should also provide really > > solid example

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT software configuration refined after design summit discussions

Clint Byrum wrote on 11/20/2013 05:41:16 PM: > Autoscaling doesn't really fly with stateful services IMO. I presume you're concerned about the "auto" part, not the "scaling". Even a stateful group is something you may want to scale; it just takes a more complex set of operations to accomplish

[openstack-dev] get mac address of instance

Dear All, Do you know how to get the mac address of any instance. I have the isntacne object, I know I can use instance.status, instance. flavorid, etc, but I dont know how to get the mac address of that instance at the coding level. I am using python btw. Thanks, ___

Re: [openstack-dev] Propose "project story wiki" idea

On 11/19/2013 09:33 PM, Boris Pavlovic wrote: > The idea of this proposal is that every OpenStack project should have > "story" wiki page. It means to publish every week one short message that > contains most interesting updates for the last week, and high level road > map for future week. So readi

Re: [openstack-dev] The recent gate performance and how it affects you

Anita, Joe, I need help with adding debug message in: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56316/ to track down: Bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1251784 => message:"Connection to neutron failed: Maximum attempts reached" AND filename:"logs/screen-n-cpu.txt" Title: nova+neutron scheduling error:

Re: [openstack-dev] The recent gate performance and how it affects you

On 11/20/2013 06:58 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote: > Anita, Joe, > > I need help with adding debug message in: > https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56316/ > > to track down: > Bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1251784 => message:"Connection to > neutron failed: Maximum attempts reached" AND > filen

Re: [openstack-dev] How to stage client major releases in Gerrit?

On Wed, 2013-11-20 at 15:17 -0800, Clint Byrum wrote: > Excerpts from Mark Washenberger's message of 2013-11-20 10:14:42 -0800: > > Hi folks, > > > > The project python-glanceclient is getting close to needing a major release > > in order to finally remove some long-deprecated features, and to mak

Re: [openstack-dev] The recent gate performance and how it affects you

Dims, we think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57509/ will fix 125178 . On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote: > Anita, Joe, > > I need help with adding debug message in: > https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56316/ > > to track down: > Bug: h

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][nova][social-apects] Social aspects shouldn't impact on dev process

Hi Boris, I'm sorry that you've had a frustrating experience :) Even I've written purge scripts before - so I know that this is a very useful feature :) I think that some of it was probably just due to timing issues - I've observed that things behave a bit differently than normal around rele

Re: [openstack-dev] [Swift] Server Side Encryption

On Wed, 2013-11-20 at 13:26 +0200, David Hadas wrote: > Hi all, > > We created a wiki page discussing the addition of software side encryption > to Swift: > "The general scheme is to create a swift proxy middleware that will encrypt > and sign the object data during PUT and check the signature + d

Re: [openstack-dev] How to best make User Experience a priority in every project

Anne Gentle wrote: On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Thierry Carrez mailto:thie...@openstack.org>> wrote: Hi everyone, How should we proceed to make sure UX (user experience) is properly taken into account into OpenStack development ? Historically it was hard for UX sessions (especially the one

[openstack-dev] [trove] Datastore Type/Version Migration

With "Multiple Datastore Types/Versions" merged to master, the conversation around how to support migrating from one datastore version to another has begun. Please see https://gist.github.com/amcrn/dfd493200fcdfdb61a23 for a consolidation of thoughts thus far. ___

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][nova][social-apects] Social aspects shouldn't impact on dev process

On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Tom Fifield wrote: > Hi Boris, > > I'm sorry that you've had a frustrating experience :) > > Even I've written purge scripts before - so I know that this is a very > useful feature :) > > I think that some of it was probably just due to timing issues - I've > obser

Re: [openstack-dev] How to stage client major releases in Gerrit?

On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Clint Byrum wrote: > Excerpts from Mark Washenberger's message of 2013-11-20 10:14:42 -0800: > > Hi folks, > > > > The project python-glanceclient is getting close to needing a major > release > > in order to finally remove some long-deprecated features, and to ma

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

Time for an update. Neutron Tempest code sprint Montreal, QC, Canada January 15, 16, 17 2014 Salle du Parc, New Residence McGill University, 3625 Parc Avenue 9pm - 5pm each day Breakfast, Lunch and coffee/tea included Agenda: details to be determined, focusing on addressing Neutron Tempest testing

Re: [openstack-dev] How to best make User Experience a priority in every project

On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Rochelle.Grober wrote: > > > > > Anne Gentle wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Thierry Carrez > wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > How should we proceed to make sure UX (user experience) is properly > taken into account into OpenStack development ? Historically

[openstack-dev] [State-Management] Agenda for tomorrow meeting at 2000 UTC

Hi all, The [state-management] project team holds a weekly meeting in #openstack-meeting on thursdays, 2000 UTC. The next meeting is tomorrow, 2013-11-21!!! *Note for those in USA, the time has changed* As usual, everyone is welcome :-) Link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StateMana

Re: [openstack-dev] [openstack][nova][social-apects] Social aspects shouldn't impact on dev process

On Nov 20, 2013 5:22 PM, "John Griffith" wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Tom Fifield wrote: > > Hi Boris, > > > > I'm sorry that you've had a frustrating experience :) > > > > Even I've written purge scripts before - so I know that this is a very > > useful feature :) > > > > I think

Re: [openstack-dev] The recent gate performance and how it affects you

Nice! Joe. thanks, -- dims On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Joe Gordon wrote: > Dims, we think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57509/ will fix 125178. > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote: >> >> Anita, Joe, >> >> I need help with adding debug message in: >> https://rev

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Neutron Tempest code sprint - 2nd week of January, Montreal, QC, Canada

Everything seems to be covered, thank for taking care of this. Thanks, Edgar On 11/20/13 5:29 PM, "Anita Kuno" wrote: >Time for an update. > >Neutron Tempest code sprint >Montreal, QC, Canada >January 15, 16, 17 2014 >Salle du Parc, New Residence >McGill University, 3625 Parc Avenue >9pm - 5pm

Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone][py3] Usage of httpretty

Chuck, So it is being used to handle stubbing returns from requests and httplib rather than having to having fake handlers in place in our testing code, or stubbing out the request library and continually having to update the arguments being passed to keep the mocks working. From my looking aroun

Re: [openstack-dev] How to stage client major releases in Gerrit?

On 21 November 2013 07:14, Mark Washenberger wrote: > Hi folks, > > The project python-glanceclient is getting close to needing a major release > in order to finally remove some long-deprecated features, and to make some > minor adjustments that are technically backwards-incompatible. > > Normally

Re: [openstack-dev] How to stage client major releases in Gerrit?

On 21 November 2013 12:17, Clint Byrum wrote: > Excerpts from Mark Washenberger's message of 2013-11-20 10:14:42 -0800: > > I understand what you're trying to do with this disclaimer. The message > above just _screams_ for this discussion, so why not cut it off at the > pass? However, glanceclien

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] The three API server multi-worker process patches.

Carl, By 2006 I mean the "MySQL server has gong away" error code. The error message was still appearing when idle_timeout is set to 1 and the quantum API server did not work in my case. Could you perhaps share your conf file when applying this patch? Thanks. On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 3:34 AM,

Re: [openstack-dev] [Cinder] TaskFlow 0.1 integration

Thank you. All right. I found reminder mail from you just now. I will probably join 'State management' IRC meeting. ( If I could get up early:) or join 'Cinder' IRC meeting) Haruka Tanizawa 2013/11/21 Joshua Harlow > Howdy! > > My guess is there is very much enough work to go around and it

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][heat][[keystone] RFC: introducing "request identification"

Related BP: Create a unified request identifier https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/cross-service-request-id In order to realize that she wanted to do it, in addition to the "included in the request a unique ID". It seems that the ID is persisted as essential. Including a unique ID in

Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone][py3] Usage of httpretty

Hi, So maybe if it gets to the point where it gets too be much of a porblem we should just put it on stackforge. Regards chuck On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Jamie Lennox wrote: > Chuck, > > So it is being used to handle stubbing returns from requests and httplib > rather than having to havi

Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone][py3] Usage of httpretty

I'd be more willing to toss in and help to maintain/fix appropriately on StackForge if that is needed. Though I am very much hoping upstream can be used. Cheers, Morgan Fainberg On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:21 PM, Chuck Short wrote: > Hi, > > So maybe if it gets to the point where it gets too be m

[openstack-dev] [Cinder] Does cinder support HDS AMS 2300 storage now?

I just found the HUS is supported. But I have a old AMS storage machine and want to use it. So I want to make sure is it possible? -- Lei Zhang Blog: http://xcodest.me twitter/weibo: @jeffrey4l ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstac

Re: [openstack-dev] [Diagnostic] Diagnostic API: summit follow-up

hi Matt: noticed there is no consensus there[1], any progress outside the ML? [1] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013- October/016385.html 2013/11/21 Oleg Gelbukh > Matt, > > Thank you for bringing this up. I've been following this thread and the > idea is somewhat aligne

Re: [openstack-dev] [Cinder] TaskFlow 0.1 integration

Sounds good, or jump in the IRC channels if u miss the meetings, people are usually around and most are even friendly ;-) From: haruka tanizawa mailto:harube...@gmail.com>> Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>> Date: W

Re: [openstack-dev] [Climate] How we agree to determine that an user has admin rights ?

On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Dolph Mathews wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Yuriy Taraday wrote: >> >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Dolph Mathews >> wrote: >> >>> is_admin is a short sighted and not at all granular -- it needs to die, >>> so avoid imitating it. >>> >> >> I su

[openstack-dev] [Mistral] Etherpad for discussing Mistral engine for TaskFlow

Hi, To discuss how we’re going to approach development of Mistral engine for TaskFlow and various problems that we currently see I’ve created an etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MistralEngineForTaskFlow You can also find all Mistral related etherpads on the project’s wiki: https://wi

Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone][py3] Usage of httpretty

Excerpts from Chuck Short's message of 2013-11-20 19:21:14 -0800: > Hi, > > So maybe if it gets to the point where it gets too be much of a porblem we > should just put it on stackforge. > That should be the last resort, when upstream is deemed dead. I'm guessing upstream would not like to fade

Re: [openstack-dev] Top Gate Bugs

Hi Joe, 2013/11/20 Joe Gordon : > Hi All, > > As many of you have noticed the gate has been in very bad shape over the > past few days. Here is a list of some of the top open bugs (without pending > patches, and many recent hits) that we are hitting. Gate won't be stable, > and it will be hard t

Re: [openstack-dev] Top Gate Bugs

On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Ken'ichi Ohmichi wrote: > Hi Joe, > > 2013/11/20 Joe Gordon : >> Hi All, >> >> As many of you have noticed the gate has been in very bad shape over the >> past few days. Here is a list of some of the top open bugs (without pending >> patches, and many recent hits)

Re: [openstack-dev] Propose "project story wiki" idea

On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Stefano Maffulli wrote: > I like the idea. > I love this idea. ... Not sure the wiki is the best place for this sort of stuff (wiki pages > are awful for anything but quick notes): since we want this content to > be delivered and produced easily I would suggest

Re: [openstack-dev] [Neutron] Race condition between DB layer and plugin back-end implementation

Hi, Isaku and Edgar, As part of the effort to implement L3 router service type framework, I have reworked L3 plugin to introduce a 2-step process, precommit and postcommit, similar to ML2. If you plan to work on L3 code, we can collaborate. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/l3-router

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT software configuration refined after design summit discussions

Excerpts from Mike Spreitzer's message of 2013-11-20 15:16:45 -0800: > Clint Byrum wrote on 11/20/2013 05:41:16 PM: > > > Autoscaling doesn't really fly with stateful services IMO. > > I presume you're concerned about the "auto" part, not the "scaling". Even > a stateful group is something you

[openstack-dev] [Keystone][Oslo] Future of Key Distribution Server, Trusted Messaging

Greetings, I'd like to check in on the status of this API addition: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40692/ The last comment is: "propose against stackforge as discussed at summit?" I don't see a session about this and from a quick look, don't see notes related to it in other session et

[openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Scalable HAProxy Resources

Eugene, At the Hong Kong Summit, a new LBaaS feature allowing multiple HAProxy instances to be utilized in a horizontal scaling manner was discussed allowing deployment of many HAProxy resources. Does there exist any documentation on how to deploy multiple HAProxy's? Does it matter how these a

[openstack-dev] [Glance] Sync image across regions

Hi All, Greetings!!! I have filed one blueprint in Glance for sync image across regions. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/glance-sync-image-across-regions I would like to know your opinions about this blueprint and I am willing to complete this for icehouse release. Also the implem

Re: [openstack-dev] Propose "project story wiki" idea

Excerpts from Boris Pavlovic's message of 2013-11-19 21:33:08 -0800: > Hi stackers, > > > Currently what I see is growing amount of interesting projects, that at > least I would like to track. But reading all mailing lists, and reviewing > all patches in all interesting projects to get high level

Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT software configuration refined after design summit discussions

Excerpts from Steve Baker's message on 21.11.2013 00:00:47: > From: Steve Baker > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org, > Date: 21.11.2013 00:04 > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Heat] HOT software configuration > refined after design summit discussions > > On 11/21/2013 11:41 AM, Clint Byrum wrote

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