Re: [openstack-dev] [all] fix latency on requirements breakage

2014-11-18 Thread Tom Fifield
On 18/11/14 18:51, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Christopher Yeoh wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Sean Dague > > wrote: >> >> waiting extra long for valid test results. People don't realize their >> code can't pass and just keep pushing patches up consuming resou

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] fix latency on requirements breakage

2014-11-18 Thread Sean Dague
On 11/18/2014 06:21 AM, Louis Taylor wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 09:32:21PM -0600, Matt Riedemann wrote: >> I think this idea has come up before, the problem is knowing how to >> distinguish the sky is falling type bugs from other race bugs we know about. >> Thinking out loud it could be sever

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] fix latency on requirements breakage

2014-11-18 Thread Louis Taylor
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 09:32:21PM -0600, Matt Riedemann wrote: > I think this idea has come up before, the problem is knowing how to > distinguish the sky is falling type bugs from other race bugs we know about. > Thinking out loud it could be severity of the bug in launchpad but we have a > lot o

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] fix latency on requirements breakage

2014-11-18 Thread Thierry Carrez
Sean Dague wrote: > As we're dealing with the fact that testtools 1.4.0 apparently broke > something with attribute additions to tests (needed by tempest for > filtering), it raises an interesting problem. > > Our current policy on requirements is to leave them open ended, this > lets us take upst

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] fix latency on requirements breakage

2014-11-18 Thread Thierry Carrez
Christopher Yeoh wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Sean Dague > wrote: > > waiting extra long for valid test results. People don't realize their > code can't pass and just keep pushing patches up consuming resources > which means that parts of the projec

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] fix latency on requirements breakage

2014-11-17 Thread Matt Riedemann
On 11/17/2014 6:57 PM, Louis Taylor wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:46:38AM +1030, Christopher Yeoh wrote: Maybe a MOTD at the top of http://review.openstack.org could help here? Have a button that the QA/infra people can hit when everything is broken that puts up a message there asking peo

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] fix latency on requirements breakage

2014-11-17 Thread Joshua Harlow
Good point, we really need a better dependency resolver/installer... Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2014-11-17 16:41:02 -0800 (-0800), Joshua Harlow wrote: Robert Collins wrote: [...] That said, making requirements be capped and auto adjust upwards would be extremely useful IMO, but its a chunk of w

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] fix latency on requirements breakage

2014-11-17 Thread Mathieu Gagné
Sean Dague, thanks for bringing up the subject. This is highly relevant to my interests. =) On 2014-11-17 7:10 PM, Robert Collins wrote: Most production systems I know don't run with open ended dependencies. One of our contributing issues IMO is that we have the requirements duplicated everywhe

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] fix latency on requirements breakage

2014-11-17 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2014-11-17 16:41:02 -0800 (-0800), Joshua Harlow wrote: > Robert Collins wrote: > [...] > >That said, making requirements be capped and auto adjust upwards would > >be extremely useful IMO, but its a chunk of work; > > - we need the transitive dependencies listed, not just direct dependencies >

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] fix latency on requirements breakage

2014-11-17 Thread Louis Taylor
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:46:38AM +1030, Christopher Yeoh wrote: > Maybe a MOTD at the top of http://review.openstack.org could help here? Have > a button that the QA/infra people can hit when everything is broken that puts > up a message there asking people to stop rechecking/submitting patches.

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] fix latency on requirements breakage

2014-11-17 Thread Joshua Harlow
Robert Collins wrote: Most production systems I know don't run with open ended dependencies. One of our contributing issues IMO is that we have the requirements duplicated everywhere - and then ignore them for many of our test runs (we deliberately override the in-tree ones with global requiremen

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] fix latency on requirements breakage

2014-11-17 Thread Christopher Yeoh
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Sean Dague wrote: > waiting extra long for valid test results. People don't realize their > code can't pass and just keep pushing patches up consuming resources > which means that parts of the project that could pass tests, is backed > up behind 100% guarunteed fa

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] fix latency on requirements breakage

2014-11-17 Thread Robert Collins
Most production systems I know don't run with open ended dependencies. One of our contributing issues IMO is that we have the requirements duplicated everywhere - and then ignore them for many of our test runs (we deliberately override the in-tree ones with global requirements). Particularly, since