Re: [openstack-dev] [all] fix latency on requirements breakage

2014-11-18 Thread Tom Fifield
On 18/11/14 18:51, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Christopher Yeoh wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Sean Dague > > wrote: >> >> waiting extra long for valid test results. People don't realize their >> code can't pass and just keep pushing patches up consuming resou

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] fix latency on requirements breakage

2014-11-18 Thread Sean Dague
On 11/18/2014 06:21 AM, Louis Taylor wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 09:32:21PM -0600, Matt Riedemann wrote: >> I think this idea has come up before, the problem is knowing how to >> distinguish the sky is falling type bugs from other race bugs we know about. >> Thinking out loud it could be sever

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] fix latency on requirements breakage

2014-11-18 Thread Louis Taylor
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 09:32:21PM -0600, Matt Riedemann wrote: > I think this idea has come up before, the problem is knowing how to > distinguish the sky is falling type bugs from other race bugs we know about. > Thinking out loud it could be severity of the bug in launchpad but we have a > lot o

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] fix latency on requirements breakage

2014-11-18 Thread Thierry Carrez
Sean Dague wrote: > As we're dealing with the fact that testtools 1.4.0 apparently broke > something with attribute additions to tests (needed by tempest for > filtering), it raises an interesting problem. > > Our current policy on requirements is to leave them open ended, this > lets us take upst

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] fix latency on requirements breakage

2014-11-18 Thread Thierry Carrez
Christopher Yeoh wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Sean Dague > wrote: > > waiting extra long for valid test results. People don't realize their > code can't pass and just keep pushing patches up consuming resources > which means that parts of the projec

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] fix latency on requirements breakage

2014-11-17 Thread Matt Riedemann
On 11/17/2014 6:57 PM, Louis Taylor wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:46:38AM +1030, Christopher Yeoh wrote: Maybe a MOTD at the top of http://review.openstack.org could help here? Have a button that the QA/infra people can hit when everything is broken that puts up a message there asking peo

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] fix latency on requirements breakage

2014-11-17 Thread Joshua Harlow
Good point, we really need a better dependency resolver/installer... Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2014-11-17 16:41:02 -0800 (-0800), Joshua Harlow wrote: Robert Collins wrote: [...] That said, making requirements be capped and auto adjust upwards would be extremely useful IMO, but its a chunk of w

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] fix latency on requirements breakage

2014-11-17 Thread Mathieu Gagné
Sean Dague, thanks for bringing up the subject. This is highly relevant to my interests. =) On 2014-11-17 7:10 PM, Robert Collins wrote: Most production systems I know don't run with open ended dependencies. One of our contributing issues IMO is that we have the requirements duplicated everywhe

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] fix latency on requirements breakage

2014-11-17 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2014-11-17 16:41:02 -0800 (-0800), Joshua Harlow wrote: > Robert Collins wrote: > [...] > >That said, making requirements be capped and auto adjust upwards would > >be extremely useful IMO, but its a chunk of work; > > - we need the transitive dependencies listed, not just direct dependencies >

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] fix latency on requirements breakage

2014-11-17 Thread Louis Taylor
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 10:46:38AM +1030, Christopher Yeoh wrote: > Maybe a MOTD at the top of http://review.openstack.org could help here? Have > a button that the QA/infra people can hit when everything is broken that puts > up a message there asking people to stop rechecking/submitting patches.

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] fix latency on requirements breakage

2014-11-17 Thread Joshua Harlow
Robert Collins wrote: Most production systems I know don't run with open ended dependencies. One of our contributing issues IMO is that we have the requirements duplicated everywhere - and then ignore them for many of our test runs (we deliberately override the in-tree ones with global requiremen

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] fix latency on requirements breakage

2014-11-17 Thread Christopher Yeoh
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Sean Dague wrote: > waiting extra long for valid test results. People don't realize their > code can't pass and just keep pushing patches up consuming resources > which means that parts of the project that could pass tests, is backed > up behind 100% guarunteed fa

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] fix latency on requirements breakage

2014-11-17 Thread Robert Collins
Most production systems I know don't run with open ended dependencies. One of our contributing issues IMO is that we have the requirements duplicated everywhere - and then ignore them for many of our test runs (we deliberately override the in-tree ones with global requirements). Particularly, since

[openstack-dev] [all] fix latency on requirements breakage

2014-11-17 Thread Sean Dague
As we're dealing with the fact that testtools 1.4.0 apparently broke something with attribute additions to tests (needed by tempest for filtering), it raises an interesting problem. Our current policy on requirements is to leave them open ended, this lets us take upstream fixes. It also breaks us