Re: [Openstack] Devstack installation script changed ?

2012-05-14 Thread Dan Wendlandt
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:02 PM, wrote: > Hi Salman , > > ** ** > > Even I am getting the same problem.. I tried devstack on VM, it says > unable to locate /etc/quantum/plugins/openvswitch/ovs_quantum_plugin.ini > (file or directory not found). Could use some help.. > Hi Vinay, I'm seein

Re: [Openstack] [metering] licensing

2012-05-14 Thread Loic Dachary
On 05/12/2012 01:30 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > > On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Loic Dachary > wrote: > > On 05/11/2012 10:01 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > I was very surprised to see the change to license ceilometer as AGPL > [1]. Why are we not using the sam

[Openstack] automate nova-volume backups

2012-05-14 Thread Michaël Van de Borne
Hi all, On this very useful page , one can find a link to a script that automates the volumes ba

Re: [Openstack] automate nova-volume backups

2012-05-14 Thread Razique Mahroua
Hi, sorry, I needed to rename my repo.Here are the OpenStack scripts : https://github.com/Razique/BashStuff/tree/master/SYSTEMS/OpenStackI'll fix the doc Michaël Van de Borne 14 mai 2012 12:24 Hi all, On this very useful page, one can find a link

Re: [Openstack] [metering] licensing

2012-05-14 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 3:50 AM, Loic Dachary wrote: > On 05/12/2012 01:30 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > > > On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Loic Dachary wrote: > >> On 05/11/2012 10:01 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: >> > I was very surprised to see the change to license ceilometer as AGPL >> [1]. W

[Openstack] xcp+quantum+vlans= not working security groups

2012-05-14 Thread Roman Sokolkov
Hello,folks! We use XCP + quantum + tenant vlans . One XCP box and one Ubuntu 12.04 box(controller). Nova-compute host it is domU on XCP. Boxes connected with patch-cord and we able to use VLANs inside. There are problems with security groups. They not work at all. We use firewall_driver=nova.vi

[Openstack] Problem with attaching disks to an instance

2012-05-14 Thread Shashank Sahni
Hi everyone, I'm trying to configure a multi-node installation. Here is a brief overview. 1) controller - api+network+scheduler+novnc+glance+keystone (nova.conf - http://paste.openstack.org/show/17470/) 2) compute node (nova.conf - http://paste.openstack.org/show/17469) 3) volume node(single) Co

Re: [Openstack] [metering] public API design

2012-05-14 Thread Loic Dachary
On 05/11/2012 10:21 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > > On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Loic Dachary > wrote: > > On 05/11/2012 05:55 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > > While thinking about this use case I also had a simple idea to optimize > the storage of events and ad

Re: [Openstack] Problem with attaching disks to an instance

2012-05-14 Thread Razique Mahroua
Hi,do you have the flag iscsi_ip_prefix configured in your nova.conf ?Razique Shashank Sahni 14 mai 2012 14:22Hi everyone,I'm trying to configure a multi-node installation. Here is a brief overview.1) controller - api+network+scheduler+novnc+glance+keystone (nova.conf - http://p

Re: [Openstack] [Netstack] Want to start Keystone support for Quantum Client

2012-05-14 Thread Yong Sheng Gong
Hi, How can I help with the common openstack client?  I think quantum needs its own client to be implemented first and then common openstack client (just as a thin wrapper) can call the client module if we have quantum client designed as nova client. Thanks -netstack-bounces+gongysh=cn.ibm.

Re: [Openstack] Nova subsystem branches and feature branches

2012-05-14 Thread Thierry Carrez
James E. Blair wrote: > Vish, Thierry, and I spent some time together this week at UDS trying to > reconcile their needs and your suggestions. I believe Thierry is going > to write that up and send it to the list soon. While at UDS we took some time to discuss a subsystem branch models that would

Re: [Openstack] Problem with attaching disks to an instance

2012-05-14 Thread Shashank Sahni
Hi, I set this option in the configuration files of both compute and controller. Restarted the service, but unfortunately same result. Regards, Shashank Sahni On 05/14/2012 05:58 PM, Razique Mahroua wrote: Hi, do you have the

Re: [Openstack] Problem with attaching disks to an instance

2012-05-14 Thread Yong Sheng Gong
Hi,consider to change catalog.RegionOne.volume.publicURL = http://volumenode:8776/v1/$(tenant_id)scatalog.RegionOne.volume.adminURL = http://volumenode:8776/v1/$(tenant_id)scatalog.RegionOne.volume.internalURL = http://v:8776/v1/$(tenant_id)scatalog.RegionOne.volume.name = Volume ServiceIt seems yo

[Openstack] CORS implementation for OpenStack

2012-05-14 Thread javier cerviño
Hi, I'm interested in implementing CORS as part of the API middleware of OpenStack. I've checked here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/6909/ , and According to comments it seems that CORS middleware has to be added as an associated project to Swift (http://swift.openstack.org/associated_projects.

Re: [Openstack] [Netstack] Want to start Keystone support for Quantum Client

2012-05-14 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Yong Sheng Gong wrote: > Hi, > How can I help with the common openstack client? I think quantum needs > its own client to be implemented first and then common openstack client > (just as a thin wrapper) can call the client module if we have quantum > client desig

Re: [Openstack] Problem with attaching disks to an instance

2012-05-14 Thread raja.meena
Hi Shashank , I preassume that the steps outlined in the link below has been followed. http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/admin/content/managing-volumes.html Thanks Meena Raja From: openstack-bounces+raja.meena=wipro@lists.launchpad.net [mailto:openstack-bounces+raja.mee

Re: [Openstack] [metering] resources metadata (was: public API design)

2012-05-14 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Loic Dachary wrote: > > > - The interesting metadata for a resource may depend on the type of > > resource. Do we need separate "tables" for that or can we normalize > > somehow? > > - How do we map a resource to the correct version of its metadata at > > any give

Re: [Openstack] Problem with attaching disks to an instance

2012-05-14 Thread Shashank Sahni
Hi, Thanks for your suggestion. I had earlier configured them to be the controller node. I tried setting them to the volume node but no result. I get the following error on running "nova volume-list" ERROR: n/a (HTTP 400) As I previously mentioned, volu

Re: [Openstack] Problem with attaching disks to an instance

2012-05-14 Thread Shashank Sahni
Hi, Thanks for the reply. Yes, I've gone through the document. Volume creation and deletion are working perfectly fine. When I run "iscsiadm -m discovery -t st -p volume_node" on the compute node, I can see the volumes. But somehow the compute node is being

Re: [Openstack] Devstack installation script changed ?

2012-05-14 Thread Salman Malik
Hi Dan, I am having internet connectivity issues on the node that I was installing the new devstack script. Hope it gets resolved today and then I would send 'git log' output to you. Also, although the line number that I reported is different from the one you sent, I think these lines are the

[Openstack] [metering] need +2 reviews/approvals

2012-05-14 Thread Doug Hellmann
Julien has done a good bit of work bootstrapping the server implementation, but we need to have more +2 reviews (and approvals) of the code [1] before it will make it into the public repository. Are we holding off on doing those reviews on purpose until after the series of design meetings is comple

[Openstack] Opening up bug triaging rights

2012-05-14 Thread Thierry Carrez
Hello everyone, Currently the bug triaging rights for a given PROJECT (ability to set status and importance of bugs, but also ability to nominate a bug for a past series) is restricted to the corresponding PROJECT-bugs team, which is generally a moderated team that nobody really monitors new membe

[Openstack] [Doc] Documentation team meeting today

2012-05-14 Thread Anne Gentle
Hi all, We're holding our monthly documentation meeting today, Monday May 14, 2012 at 2000 UTC (3:00 CST). The agenda can be found here: http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting I've had a request to enable Skype for this meeting, which I'm amenable to. We can use IRC for the meeting note

[Openstack] Default swift replicas in devstack

2012-05-14 Thread Chmouel Boudjnah
Hello, devstack install swift if you are adding the service to your localrc (as specified in devstack README.rst). By default if swift is installed it will configure three different replicas and due of the nature of replication makes a lot of IO which lead to people saying /devstack with swift kil

Re: [Openstack] Opening up bug triaging rights

2012-05-14 Thread John Dickinson
On May 14, 2012, at 10:06 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Currently the bug triaging rights for a given PROJECT (ability to set > status and importance of bugs, but also ability to nominate a bug for a > past series) is restricted to the corresponding PROJECT-bugs team, which > i

[Openstack] Stackforge server migration

2012-05-14 Thread Andrew Hutchings
Hi guys, In the last couple of weeks we have hit a couple of problems on Stackforge Gerrit: 1. Notificiation mail is broken (in fact all mail is broken) 2. Users/groups aren't syncing The second issue can be solved by me modifying the sync script to be more universal (I already have a prototype

Re: [Openstack] Opening up bug triaging rights

2012-05-14 Thread Thierry Carrez
John Dickinson wrote: > Doesn't this come with the downside that now everyone will see every bug? > That could lead to a lot of noise that a contributor will need to filter > before seeing the bugs that are important to that person. An open (and common) openstack-bugs team just gives its members

Re: [Openstack] [metering] need +2 reviews/approvals

2012-05-14 Thread Loic Dachary
On 05/14/2012 05:05 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > Julien has done a good bit of work bootstrapping the server implementation, > but we need to have more +2 reviews (and approvals) of the code [1] before it > will make it into the public repository. Are we holding off on doing those > reviews on pur

Re: [Openstack] Stackforge server migration

2012-05-14 Thread Jay Pipes
On 05/14/2012 11:38 AM, Andrew Hutchings wrote: The first problem is more serious and can't be fixed where Gerrit is now, so it will require us to migrate Gerrit to a different server. I also intend to do this later this week and it will cause at least an hour of downtime. Any more detail on t

Re: [Openstack] Problem with attaching disks to an instance

2012-05-14 Thread Shashank Sahni
Hi, Oh! They are same. I just masked the values before pasting the configuration files. Although, now that I think of it, its pretty harmless. Here are the originals. controller node - http://paste.openstack.org/show/17513/ compute node - http://paste.openst

Re: [Openstack] Default swift replicas in devstack

2012-05-14 Thread Caitlin Bestler
Chmouel Boudjnah asked: > devstack install swift if you are adding the service to your localrc (as > specified in devstack README.rst). By > default if swift is installed it will configure three different replicas and > due of the nature of replication > makes a lot of IO which lead to people

Re: [Openstack] ERROR: Resize requires a change in size

2012-05-14 Thread Vishvananda Ishaya
If you have actually specified a different flavor with the command, then it sounds like this is a bug. I see the check here: 1450 if (current_memory_mb == new_memory_mb) and flavor_id: 1451 raise exception.CannotResizeToSameSize() And I don't see any reason for it. It seems

Re: [Openstack] [metering] resources metadata

2012-05-14 Thread Loic Dachary
On 05/14/2012 04:15 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > > On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Loic Dachary > wrote: > > > > - The interesting metadata for a resource may depend on the type of > > resource. Do we need separate "tables" for that or can we normalize > > so

Re: [Openstack] [Metering] API Extensibility

2012-05-14 Thread Loic Dachary
On 05/10/2012 05:54 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Loic Dachary > wrote: > > > Another item that we need to discuss is extensibility of this API. > > Hi, > > Here is a proposal, which we could discuss further during the meeting

Re: [Openstack] xcp+quantum+vlans= not working security groups

2012-05-14 Thread Dan Wendlandt
Hi Roman, On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 4:54 AM, Roman Sokolkov wrote: > Hello,folks! > > We use XCP + quantum + tenant vlans . One XCP box and one Ubuntu 12.04 > box(controller). Nova-compute host it is domU on XCP. Boxes connected with > patch-cord and we able to use VLANs inside. > > There are prob

[Openstack] Swift: tempURL

2012-05-14 Thread Suchi Sinha (susinha)
I am trying to run swift temp url feature. We have keystone as identity service. Does this feature works with keystone? I am always getting "no such file or directory". I am following all the steps generate the tempURL. I will appreciate any help. Thanks. ~Suchi

Re: [Openstack] Stackforge server migration

2012-05-14 Thread Andrew Hutchings
Hey Jay, On 14/05/12 17:12, Jay Pipes wrote: > On 05/14/2012 11:38 AM, Andrew Hutchings wrote: >> The first problem is more serious and can't be fixed where Gerrit is >> now, so it will require us to migrate Gerrit to a different server. I >> also intend to do this later this week and it will cau

Re: [Openstack] [Doc] Documentation team meeting today

2012-05-14 Thread Razique Mahroua
Hi Anne, I'm sorry, I won't be able to assist to it, I don't have access to my computer at that time. How long are the meetings ? Razique 2012/5/14 Anne Gentle > Hi all, > We're holding our monthly documentation meeting today, Monday May 14, 2012 > at 2000 UTC (3:00 CST). The agenda can be foun

Re: [Openstack] xcp+quantum+vlans= not working security groups

2012-05-14 Thread John Garbutt
Hi, > From Roman Sokolkov: > We use XCP + quantum + tenant vlans . One XCP box and one Ubuntu 12.04 > box(controller). Nova-compute host it is domU on XCP. Boxes connected with > patch-cord and we able to use VLANs inside.  > There are problems with security groups. They not work at all.  > We u

[Openstack] Dhcp lease errors in vlan mode

2012-05-14 Thread Vishvananda Ishaya
TL;DR To fix issues with failed dhcp leases in vlan mode, upgrade to dnsmasq 2.6.1[1] THE LONG VERSION There is an issue with the way nova uses dnsmasq in VLAN mode. It starts up a single copy of dnsmasq for each vlan on the network host (or on every host in multi_host mode). The problem is in

Re: [Openstack] Default swift replicas in devstack

2012-05-14 Thread Chuck Thier
Hey Chmouel, The first easy step would be to by default not start the aux services (like replication). And if someone wants to test those, they can run them manually (similarly to how we do dev with the saio). -- Chuck On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Chmouel Boudjnah wrote: > Hello, > > devs

[Openstack] [Openstack-qa-team] Agenda for QA Status Meeting for 5/17

2012-05-14 Thread Venkatesan, Ravikumar
Weekly team meeting The OpenStack QA Team holds public weekly meetings in #openstack-meeting, Thursday at 13:00 EST (17:00 UTC). Everyone interested in testing, quality assurance, performance engineering, etc, should attend! Agenda for next meeting 1. Review of last week's action items

Re: [Openstack] [Swift] swift news and plans

2012-05-14 Thread Suchi Sinha (susinha)
Does it work with keystone? I am trying to test this feature. Follow all your steps.. Always getting "No such file or directory" Here how I am accessing https://IP:8080/v1/AUTH_74a6a2e705e74158bda736f5c8c6c89d/android/droidfi le.jpg?temp_url_sig=97fbcdba9be019c6d76dcf4d8079e66436c9d557&temp_url

[Openstack] not able to start nova-compute "Instance could not be found"

2012-05-14 Thread Shashi Kanth Boddula
Essex on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS. I am not able to start nova-compute service. # start nova-compute nova-compute start/running, process 2262 # status nova-compute nova-compute stop/waiting In the log i see bellow. "Instance instance-0009 could not be found". 2012-05-15 00:02:11 INFO nova.rpc.com

Re: [Openstack] xcp+quantum+vlans= not working security groups

2012-05-14 Thread Dan Wendlandt
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:36 AM, John Garbutt wrote: > Hi, > > > From Roman Sokolkov: > > We use XCP + quantum + tenant vlans . One XCP box and one Ubuntu 12.04 > box(controller). Nova-compute host it is domU on XCP. Boxes connected with > patch-cord and we able to use VLANs inside. > > There are

Re: [Openstack] Stackforge server migration

2012-05-14 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Andrew Hutchings wrote: > Hey Jay, > > On 14/05/12 17:12, Jay Pipes wrote: > > On 05/14/2012 11:38 AM, Andrew Hutchings wrote: > >> The first problem is more serious and can't be fixed where Gerrit is > >> now, so it will require us to migrate Gerrit to a different

Re: [Openstack] Dhcp lease errors in vlan mode

2012-05-14 Thread Lorin Hochstein
On May 14, 2012, at 1:46 PM, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: > TL;DR > > To fix issues with failed dhcp leases in vlan mode, upgrade to dnsmasq > 2.6.1[1] > I attempted to document this issue in the docs: https://review.openstack.org/7403 (As an aside, we're using VLAN mode at Nimbis). Take car

Re: [Openstack] CORS implementation for OpenStack

2012-05-14 Thread Adrian Smith
Perhaps the openstack-common project [1] could house a common CORS implementation? FYI, I'm hoping to refactor the CORS middleware as a standalone project soon Javier (just a bit short on time atm). [1] https://github.com/openstack/openstack-common On 14 May 2012 14:35, javier cerviño wrote: >

Re: [Openstack] [metering] resources metadata

2012-05-14 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Loic Dachary wrote: > On 05/14/2012 04:15 PM, Doug Hellmann wrote: > > > > On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Loic Dachary wrote: > >> >> > - The interesting metadata for a resource may depend on the type of >> > resource. Do we need separate "tables" for that or

Re: [Openstack] [Nova] Removal of Deprecated Auth

2012-05-14 Thread Dan Prince
- Original Message - > From: "Brian Waldon" > To: "openstack (openstack@lists.launchpad.net)" > > Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 6:09:53 PM > Subject: [Openstack] [Nova] Removal of Deprecated Auth > > I wanted to send out a heads-up to let everyone know that I am now > removing all the old

Re: [Openstack] Problem with attaching disks to an instance

2012-05-14 Thread Vishvananda Ishaya
It should be getting the connection properties via the call to the volume node. Is it possible your volume in the database has incorrect properties stored in provider_location? It is set from the cofig iscsi_ip_address, so if you have not set that configuration option to a routable ip from com

Re: [Openstack] Dhcp lease errors in vlan mode

2012-05-14 Thread Brian Haley
On 05/14/2012 01:46 PM, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: > TL;DR > > To fix issues with failed dhcp leases in vlan mode, upgrade to dnsmasq > 2.6.1[1] +1 to upgrading (being the one that was bitten by the problem last year). -Brian ___ Mailing list: https:/

Re: [Openstack] Problem with attaching disks to an instance

2012-05-14 Thread Shashank Sahni
Hi Vish, Yeah you are right. I checked the settings in the volume database and for all volumes the entry is similar to following. controller_node:3260,3 iqn.2010-10.org.openstack:volume-0004 But it seems these entries are being generated automatically, i.e. as soon as I issue volume crea

Re: [Openstack] CORS implementation for OpenStack

2012-05-14 Thread Luis Gervaso
+1 On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Adrian Smith wrote: > Perhaps the openstack-common project [1] could house a common CORS > implementation? > > FYI, I'm hoping to refactor the CORS middleware as a standalone > project soon Javier (just a bit short on time atm). > > [1] https://github.com/ope

Re: [Openstack] Dhcp lease errors in vlan mode

2012-05-14 Thread Vishvananda Ishaya
Thanks lorin! Vish On May 14, 2012, at 12:59 PM, Lorin Hochstein wrote: > > On May 14, 2012, at 1:46 PM, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: > >> TL;DR >> >> To fix issues with failed dhcp leases in vlan mode, upgrade to dnsmasq >> 2.6.1[1] >> > > I attempted to document this issue in the docs: > h

Re: [Openstack] Problem with attaching disks to an instance

2012-05-14 Thread Vishvananda Ishaya
you have to set iscsi_ip_address on the volume node. The volume node is the one that creates this db entry. Vish On May 14, 2012, at 1:54 PM, Shashank Sahni wrote: > Hi Vish, > > Yeah you are right. I checked the settings in the volume database and for all > volumes the entry is similar to f

Re: [Openstack] [Swift] swift news and plans

2012-05-14 Thread Chmouel Boudjnah
Hi Suchi, I am not sure I understand your email, is your question says if temp_url work with the keystone middleware? the answer would be no as the middleware does not implement the allow_overrides feature to allow such thing. Please feel free to log a bug in launchpad. Cheers, Chmouel. On Mon,

Re: [Openstack] Problem with attaching disks to an instance

2012-05-14 Thread Shashank Sahni
Thank you Vish. That did the trick :) Regards, Shashank Sahni On 05/15/2012 02:43 AM, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: you have to set iscsi_ip_address on the volume node. The volume node is the one that creates this db entry. Vish On May 14, 2012, at 1:54 PM, Shashank Sahni wrote: Hi Vish, Yea

Re: [Openstack] Understanding Integration Bridge and MACs

2012-05-14 Thread Salman Malik
In addition to the mail that follows, I am having some problem with quantum networks as well. When I create a network using : sudo nova-manage network create --label=$tenant0 --fixed_range_v4=$iprange0 --project_id=$tenant0 I can see the network using both "quantum list_nets $tenant0" and "

Re: [Openstack] Swift: tempURL

2012-05-14 Thread Alex Yang
tempurl dose not work with keystone. you must follow the instruction of tempurl to use it. the instruction is locate in the comment of swift/common/middleware/tempurl.py 在 2012-5-15 上午2:06,"Suchi Sinha (susinha)" 写道: > I am trying to run swift temp url feature. We have keystone as > identity s

Re: [Openstack] Understanding Integration Bridge and MACs

2012-05-14 Thread Yong Sheng Gong
Hi,You observation is right. We keep different parts of quantum network info in  nova db and quantum db. Quantum client just removes record in quantum db, while nova-manage network way will removes record in nova db, after that it will call quantum server's api to delete record in quantum. As far

Re: [Openstack] Understanding Integration Bridge and MACs

2012-05-14 Thread Dan Wendlandt
Hi Salman, I'm not familiar with the Ryu plugin, so hopefully you can get in contact with the developers to get this question answered. Dan On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 5:42 PM, Salman Malik wrote: > Hi Dan and Others, > > I am trying to understand the actions taken by Ryu when the new instance > s

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Re: [Openstack] Understanding Integration Bridge and MACs

2012-05-14 Thread Dan Wendlandt
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Salman Malik wrote: > In addition to the mail that follows, I am having some problem with > quantum networks as well. When I create a network using : > > sudo nova-manage network create --label=$tenant0 > --fixed_range_v4=$iprange0 --project_id=$tenant0 > > I can

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[Openstack] [devstack/quantum] Configuration issue

2012-05-14 Thread Gary Kotton
Hi, This morning I encountered a problem (which did not happen a few days ago :)). When devstack is launched, with quantum configured, the gateway and bridge devices are created. This causes problems with quantum. For example when devstack is up and running prior to deploying an instance we h

[Openstack] HELP: About Nova long time response when taking snapshot

2012-05-14 Thread Sam Su
Hi, I have a multi-nodes openstack environment, including a control node running Glance, nova-api, nova-scheduler, nova-network, rabbitmq, mysql, keystone and dashboard services, and two compute nodes running nova-compute and nova-network services. When someone is taking a snapshot for his/her VM

Re: [Openstack] [devstack/quantum] Configuration issue

2012-05-14 Thread Edgar Magana (eperdomo)
Gary, Is you Quantum DB empty after you have restarted devstack?, I normally drop completely the Quantum DB and create it back again before running devstack in a system when I have previously used Quantum. Thanks, Edgar -Original Message- From: openstack-bounces+eperdomo=cisco@lists