Re: [Openstack] Openstack and Google Compute Engine

2012-07-03 Thread Tim Bell
HPC is often used as a general term but it is actually many different facets depending on the computing model. CERN is at the centre of a server grid of 100,000s of servers called WLCG (http://wlcg.web.cern.ch) for analyzing the data from the Large Hadron Collider. The servers are located at o

Re: [Openstack] Openstack and Google Compute Engine

2012-07-03 Thread John Paul Walters
Matt, I agree with almost everything that you're saying, except to add that we hope to change things. I hope that our work at ISI is moving in that direction. But you're right, hypervisors add some overhead, network performance isn't always great, etc. Things are changing, albeit slowly, but

Re: [Openstack] Openstack and Google Compute Engine

2012-07-03 Thread Matt Joyce
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 2:01 AM, Simon G. wrote: > Secondly, I don't think we shouldn't compare GCE to Openstack. I > understand that right now cloud (Openstack, Amazon, ...) is just easy in > use, managed and scalable datacenter. It allows users to create VMs, upload > their images, easily increa

Re: [Openstack] Openstack and Google Compute Engine

2012-07-03 Thread Simon G.
Firstly, I'm just curious about their technology. I'm unable to make any representative benchmark and that's why I was asking you about it. I'm just a student during master thesis, interested in cloud computing, Openstack etc. so I can't afford for such huge deployment :). Secondly, I don't think

Re: [Openstack] Openstack and Google Compute Engine

2012-07-02 Thread Paul McMillan
It's KVM on Redhat with a fairly custom guest kernel, including optimized drivers for their network encapsulation. Auth is handled using their existing OAuth2.0 infrastructure. As Matt said, their offering is fairly different from EC2 (and Openstack), competing more with compute-heavy provider

Re: [Openstack] Openstack and Google Compute Engine

2012-07-02 Thread David Busby
I for one am waiting on my invite to be processed; then I will be looking at things like aeolus to run hybird cloud setups (I'll be contributing code to that effect); That said remember google open compute (as far as I am aware) is not open source i.e. you can not download the engine and run a pri

Re: [Openstack] Openstack and Google Compute Engine

2012-07-02 Thread Joshua Harlow
I'd be interested in hearing any comparisons, but it seems like it just came out so it might take a while... Knowing how google is very secretive about there internal 'architecture' it might be really hard to make any in-depth comparisons. On 7/2/12 7:25 AM, "Simon G." wrote: Noone tested or

Re: [Openstack] Openstack and Google Compute Engine

2012-07-02 Thread Jay Pipes
On 07/02/2012 10:25 AM, Simon G. wrote: > Noone tested or noone is interested in Google Compute Engine and Openstack? No, I think it's just that nobody has looked into it yet. Also, when you say "their test app is 600,000 cores", I don't think you have any providers of OpenStack that (yet) have an

Re: [Openstack] Openstack and Google Compute Engine

2012-07-02 Thread Matt Joyce
Semy, Google app engine and google compute engine are two different things. App engine has been around for quite some time. The compute engine that they offer as an IaaS solution is based off internal google software that has also been in use internally for a lengthy amount of time. Honestl

Re: [Openstack] Openstack and Google Compute Engine

2012-07-02 Thread Simon G.
Noone tested or noone is interested in Google Compute Engine and Openstack? On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Simon G. wrote: > Hello, > > I've heard about Google's cloud recently. What do you think about it? Will > it be compatible with openstack? Or will openstack be compatible with them? > Any