I was speaking generally not specifically about this issue. Sounds like you're
taking this personally.
See prior comment on developers and languages. This is not about which
language is better: that's just crazy talk. :)
Adding node.js is clearly not onerous. And if most shops don't have JS
Jan Drake wrote:
> For what it's worth, I've noticed a generally myopic trend towards python
> only. Node.js can play many very good roles as an
> implementation strategy for various openstack capabilities, especially at the
> edge. I was excited to see it being included.
> There's a balanc
Gabriel
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> Adam Young
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For what it's worth, I've noticed a generally myopic trend towards python only.
Node.js can play many very good roles as an implementation strategy for
various openstack capabilities, especially at the edge. I was excited to see
it being included. There's a balance to be struck in optimizing
On 05/30/2012 04:37 PM, Devin Carlen wrote:
Long story short - we will work to make node.js an optional build time
component and leave it as an distro packaging issue. node.js was being
evaluated as a potential solution to
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/realtime-communication,
Long story short - we will work to make node.js an optional build time
component and leave it as an distro packaging issue. node.js was being
evaluated as a potential solution to
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/realtime-communication, but that
blueprint isn't targeted for Folsom
On 05/25/2012 04:51 PM, Gabriel Hurley wrote:
>> That sounds good to me, but it only addresses the short term issue. If the
>> plan is to use Node.js for more in the future, we're going to have the same
>> conversation when that next patch comes up.
>
> Heh. That was my point to Thierry about 8 m
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>
> On 05/25/2012 03:35 PM, Gabriel Hurley wrote:
> > I have no
On 05/25/2012 03:35 PM, Gabriel Hurley wrote:
> I have no problem with distros generating CSS files however they like;
> overriding what stylesheet is included is trivial and already quite
> possible. If that’s a viable solution for distros who don’t currently
> support node.js I’m all for it. Docu
eed to do would be a
compromise I'm more than happy with... ;-)
- Gabriel
From: Kiall Mac Innes [mailto:ki...@managedit.ie]
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 11:41 AM
To: Gabriel Hurley
Cc: openstack@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Openstack] Nodejs in horizon
On Fri, May 25, 2012
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Gabriel Hurley
wrote:
>
> 4. LESS for dev, commit compiled files: I veto'd this one in Horizon's
> discussions. I've played this game being a committer for Django when we
> tried to maintain both "development" and "production" versions of the
> admin's javascript
Gabriel Hurley wrote:
> 2. Bundling LESS vs. other means: If you think downstream packagers don't
> like node... pretty much nobody packages LESS. The recommended way to install
> LESS is actually with NPM (the Node Package Manager). We could install it
> that way, but that makes dependency mana
Gabriel Hurley wrote:
> 1. I'll repeat my call for a list (somewhere) of who OpenStack's "downstream
> stakeholders" are. I'm in favor of our commitment of support and cooperation,
> but providing openness and insight into who we're offering it to would be
> awesome.
The trick is, you don't kno
On 05/24/2012 08:45 PM, Gabriel Hurley wrote:
> Calling it "broken" is a bit of an overstatement. As noted previously,
> node.js can be installed and configured (http://nodejs.tchol.org/) on Fedora.
> It's just not in the Fedora default package repositories. My reading of the
> ticket on the red
his discussion again in the future...
Finding the right balance is important here.
All the best,
- Gabriel
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> [mailto:openstack-
> bounces+gabriel.hurley=nebula....@lists.launchpad.
Hi,
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Devin Carlen wrote:
> ...
>
> Relying on Node.js actually opens up a lot of possibilities in the future
> for us to do realtime websocket communications via node.js and still rely
> on django to do the heavy lifting:
>
> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horiz
Gabriel Hurley wrote:
> As for packages, I can’t speak to Fedora offhand, but Ubuntu has the
> “nodejs” package which is what we’ve used internally for development and
> for the devstack gate going forward. The LESS binary itself is being
> bundled with Horizon to alleviate versioning incompatibili
Devin Carlen wrote:
> -1 to introducing formal processes around this. This will happen from
> time to time. Development may be briefly impacted on other platforms
> but hindering innovation and telling developers that they are
> responsible for package availability across every distro is not heal
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> bounces+gabriel.hurley=nebula@lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of
> Russell Bryant
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> Su
On 05/24/2012 07:28 PM, Joshua Harlow wrote:
> Sure I agree with what u said, its a balance...
>
> But it worries me when a commit pops up that I had to basically find,
> and then I get a reply from russell who works at RH that says nope
> fedora doesn’t have it.
>
> It seems like that reach u me
this is why we made this change in the *first* milestone, and not a
week before release. ;)
Devin
On May 24, 2012, at 4:09 PM, Joshua Harlow wrote:
Re: [Openstack] Nodejs in horizon
That's what I was worried about, and why I (just my opinion) think that we need
to be a lot stricter
-1 to introducing formal processes around this. This will happen from time to
time. Development may be briefly impacted on other platforms but hindering
innovation and telling developers that they are responsible for package
availability across every distro is not healthy.
You are concerned a
That's what I was worried about, and why I (just my opinion) think that we need
to be a lot stricter about vetting new dependencies.
There needs to be time given to say, ensuring that its really needed, if it
really is, documenting why it has to be there in depth, getting various PTL's
to agree
On 05/24/2012 03:40 PM, Devin Carlen wrote:
> Hi Joshua,
>
> Node.js is in the standard repos for most modern distros. It's not an
> issue for Ubuntu/Fedora.
It actually is a problem for Fedora. node.js is not in Fedora. Once
Horizon requires node.js, it will be broken for Fedora (and EPEL for
- Gabriel
From: Joshua Harlow [mailto:harlo...@yahoo-inc.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 1:46 PM
To: openstack-...@yahoo-inc.com; Gabriel Hurley; openstack
Subject: Re: [Openstack] Nodejs in horizon
Good to know,
I thought that fedora was being ran as well in the CI env.
If not, I wil
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Behalf Of Joshua Harlow
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 12:32 PM
To: Chuck Short
Cc: Yahoo Openstack Developers; openstack
Subject: Re: [Openstack] Nodejs in horizon
So was there tho
Re: [Openstack] Nodejs in horizon
So was there thought about the fedora and other distributions when adding this
as a dependency.
I thought we were going to try to support both, but if a package is currently
only in a single distribution, that makes it hard to develop on both.
Not sure if this i
+gabriel.hurley=nebula@lists.launchpad.net] On
Behalf Of Joshua Harlow
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 10:34 AM
To: openstack
Cc: Yahoo Openstack Developers
Subject: [Openstack] Nodejs in horizon
Hi all,
I was seeing that node.js is now being used in horizon. Is there any details on
why that wa
, May 24, 2012 10:34 AM
To: openstack
Cc: Yahoo Openstack Developers
Subject: [Openstack] Nodejs in horizon
Hi all,
I was seeing that node.js is now being used in horizon. Is there any details on
why that was needed, the reasoning, the technical docs on where it is used.
Are there packages available i
Hi Joshua,
Node.js is in the standard repos for most modern distros. It's not an issue
for Ubuntu/Fedora.
We are using Node.js for a package called Less with does asset compression for
us. Less is Apache 2 licensed so we have included it directly within Horizon:
https://blueprints.launchpad.
So was there thought about the fedora and other distributions when adding this
as a dependency.
I thought we were going to try to support both, but if a package is currently
only in a single distribution, that makes it hard to develop on both.
Not sure if this is valid, and it might be helpful:
Hi
On Thu, 24 May 2012 10:33:32 -0700
Joshua Harlow wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I was seeing that node.js is now being used in horizon. Is there any
> details on why that was needed, the reasoning, the technical docs on
> where it is used.
>
> Are there packages available in fedora/ubuntu for this?
Hi all,
I was seeing that node.js is now being used in horizon. Is there any details on
why that was needed, the reasoning, the technical docs on where it is used.
Are there packages available in fedora/ubuntu for this?
Such a change seems like it should have a little more reasoning/explanation
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