Re: [Openstack] Keystone Grizzly RC2 available

2013-03-28 Thread Andy Smith
The change I made to build tokens from existing data (rather than re-querying it all from the db) didn't go in? Without it extensions are not able to build custom tokens (meaning just about any extension that wants to do something with auth is not possible). On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 2:34 AM, Thie

Re: [Openstack] There is no object-store endpoint on this auth server.

2012-05-16 Thread Andy Smith
Just ran into this, the issue is that swift expects the user to be of the form TENANTNAME:USERNAME swift will accept the ST_USER env variable, so you can add something like this to your env: export ST_USER=openstackDemo:adminUser On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Shashi Kanth Boddula wrote: > Ub

Re: [Openstack] [Keystone] What exactly are we modeling with endpoints?

2012-04-25 Thread Andy Smith
How about let's rephrase this question: Who is actually explicitly using the service catalog (besides just having keystoneclient find the next auth endpoint)? What complaints do you have? AKA, trying to pull some data out of it and use it to in some way "discover" a service. >From my experiences

Re: [Openstack] Who wrote Essex?

2012-04-06 Thread Andy Smith
commit early, commit often ;) On Friday, April 6, 2012, Stefano Maffulli wrote: > Thank you Mark. > > I use a different tool to get the weekly stats, cvsanaly and then build > the charts with Pentaho Reporting. I'm glad to have more people looking > at the data and provide alternatives though :)

Re: [Openstack] "Admin"-ness in Keystone, Nova, et. al.

2012-03-30 Thread Andy Smith
Commented on the first bug. On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Julien Danjou wrote: > On Fri, Mar 30 2012, Gabriel Hurley wrote: > > > In practice today, Keystone no longer has global roles, and RBAC > > implementation isn't fully there yet across the ecosystem. So projects > have > > adopted incon

Re: [Openstack] is this a bug in milestone-proposed keystone ? (cannotget endpoint-list, nor create endpoint)

2012-03-26 Thread Andy Smith
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 11:12 AM, David Kranz wrote: > Thanks for the explanation. But I am still a little confused about the > point of the templates. Having two implementations, one simple and one less > simple, is not simpler than having only one. You still need to user the CLI > for user, rol

Re: [Openstack] Being pedantic about pedanticism: HACKING styleguide

2012-03-23 Thread Andy Smith
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Mark McLoughlin wrote: > On Thu, 2012-03-22 at 22:00 -0700, Andy Smith wrote: > > > It is something pulled from the google style guide. > > You know what else is in the Google style guide? "Avoid global > variable

Re: [Openstack] Being pedantic about pedanticism: HACKING styleguide

2012-03-23 Thread Andy Smith
> > > I am happy to take on and implement any of these approaches, up to and > including scheduling an in-person Code Summit Battledome in order to > resolve differences of opinion about docstring whitespace. But, my > preference for a unified style-guide is a mild one, and I'll probably just > op

Re: [Openstack] Being pedantic about pedanticism: HACKING styleguide

2012-03-22 Thread Andy Smith
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Maru Newby wrote: > Hi Jay, > > On 2012-03-22, at 2:13 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: > > > Object Imports > == > > In addition, the following DOES NOT appear in Glance's section on imports: > > - Do not import objects, only modules > > Nowhere in PEP8 does it m

Re: [Openstack] Being pedantic about pedanticism: HACKING styleguide

2012-03-22 Thread Andy Smith
Oh, and we should include the file in each project with a link to whatever the base one is. That said, I don't intend to change the style of my project just because the common one changes, and it shouldn't be a wiki because that makes it too easy to change. On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 3:0

Re: [Openstack] Being pedantic about pedanticism: HACKING styleguide

2012-03-22 Thread Andy Smith
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Andrew Bogott wrote: >Just now I set out to merge a recent style guide change from > python-novaclient into the hacking docs of other OpenStack projects. My > patch didn't apply, though, because each project has subtly diverging > HACKING files. > >Rather

Re: [Openstack] Keystone database (using latest devstack)

2012-03-08 Thread Andy Smith
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Jason Hedden wrote: >It seems a little odd that the mapping of users to roles is stored > in a python dictionary within a SQL table. With this data structure it > would be more efficient and flexible if the data was stored in a table > similarly to the pre

Re: [Openstack] cfg usage - option registration, global objects

2012-03-06 Thread Andy Smith
This is going to be a somewhat verbose reply. TL;DR: Summary, I'd like cfg.py to be config.py (pipe dream, I'm sure, but I don't really agree with the abbreviation), to provide a global configuration object, and to have shortcuts for registration of options, that projects should standardize on. A

Re: [Openstack] eventlet weirdness

2012-03-02 Thread Andy Smith
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Joshua Harlow wrote: > Does anyone else feel that the following seems really “dirty”, or is it > just me. > Any feeling of dirtiness is just due to it being called "sleep," all you are doing is yielding control to allow another co-routine to schedule itself. Bloc

Re: [Openstack] Keystone should to Apache HTTPD.

2012-03-01 Thread Andy Smith
e already preparations going on for what gets discussed there, but if there are you are welcome to draw our attention to this subject. --andy P.S. Stuffy nose apparently makes my responses extra vague, I hope you got the idea though. > Thanks, > > Rob Esker > NetApp, Inc. >

Re: [Openstack] Keystone should to Apache HTTPD.

2012-03-01 Thread Andy Smith
compatible with a mod_wsgi-like model. On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Andy Smith wrote: > I mentioned this to Adam prior to his posting, but since he posted here as > well I suppose I have to respond here too: > > -- SNIP -- > > Nice write-up Adam :) > > As a veteran

Re: [Openstack] Keystone should to Apache HTTPD.

2012-03-01 Thread Andy Smith
I mentioned this to Adam prior to his posting, but since he posted here as well I suppose I have to respond here too: -- SNIP -- Nice write-up Adam :) As a veteran of standing up and scaling popular websites myself, I never intended for a single eventlet wsgi server to handle all the load and av

Re: [Openstack] Redux deps?

2012-02-16 Thread Andy Smith
The package dependencies for redux are in devstack (the devstack redux branch was merged to master), however quick look says bcrypt is no longer needed. We are likely to remove pyCLI in the next day or so, however, because Chuck Short asked nicely. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Joshua Harlow wr

Re: [Openstack] Keystone: Redux (Dubstep Remix)

2012-02-14 Thread Andy Smith
re some kind of “learnings/oops moment” that happened that we can > all benefit from (and not repeat?). > > *Sorry if this is a repeat*... > > > On 2/14/12 4:38 PM, "Andy Smith" wrote: > > tl;dr proposal to merge keystone redux: same API, same client, new > se

[Openstack] Keystone: Redux (Dubstep Remix)

2012-02-14 Thread Andy Smith
ckagers on changes needed for their distros * Work with tempest on test coverage * Another pass through the bugs & blueprints to update the state Thanks to all the contributors to the rewrite: Andy Smith Anthony Young Brian Waldon Chmouel Boudjnah Chuck Short Dean Troyer Devin Carlen Dolph Mat

Re: [Openstack] Proposal for new devstack (v2?)

2012-01-17 Thread Andy Smith
Looks cool :) I've been trying to plant the seed of switching devstack to python (heavily utilizing fabric and cuisine) in my team's head for a while now. We are heavily dependent on devstack for our development and testing workflows so it would be a pretty big decision for us to switch tools, an

Re: [Openstack] [RFC] Common config options module

2011-12-05 Thread Andy Smith
Took a look over the wiki for this. The approach is very similar to one I've used recently so I wanted to bring up something that looks like it may have been overlooked. In testing it is frequent practice that you want to ensure global config state and somehow overwrite global config state on the

[Openstack] Some updates to REST API specs

2011-10-20 Thread Andy Smith
We need to add these codes to maintain compliance. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nottingham-http-new-status-02 --andy ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/

[Openstack] GitHub migration timeline?

2011-07-18 Thread Andy Smith
Jay and Monty, could you give the list an update on the status and timeline of the GitHub migration? The last informal estimate I had heard was that July 15th was the planned date. What are the current issues? --andy ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.

Re: [Openstack] Overview of CI/Testing

2011-06-07 Thread Andy Smith
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Soren Hansen wrote: > 2011/6/7 Andy Smith : > > At the moment the two closest things to being "official" installations > for > > us (me? are the chef recipes and the nova.sh script (the nova.sh script > > obviously being only

Re: [Openstack] Overview of CI/Testing

2011-06-07 Thread Andy Smith
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: > I'd like to propose that you two agree that you've agreed to agree on > agreeing. > > All in agreement? > NO. P.S. Maybe? > > -jay > > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Monty Taylor wrote: > > >

Re: [Openstack] Overview of CI/Testing

2011-06-07 Thread Andy Smith
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Monty Taylor wrote: > On 06/07/2011 02:38 PM, Andy Smith wrote: > > Thanks for the update Monty :) > > My pleasure as always. :) > > > That's just testing API in a VM though, and doesn't get us to > testing > >

Re: [Openstack] Coalescing and Coordinating Continuous Integration, Developer Tools, Function and Smoke Testings Efforts

2011-06-07 Thread Andy Smith
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Monty Taylor wrote: > Hey all! > > It's time to both expand and contract some things around automation and > testing. Thusfar all of the work on Jenkins and Tarmac and other > 'official' build and testing automation has been done exclusively by > Soren and me, In t

Re: [Openstack] Overview of CI/Testing

2011-06-07 Thread Andy Smith
Thanks for the update Monty :) > That's just testing API in a VM though, and doesn't get us to testing > actual bare-metal deployment or integration testing. At Rackspace, we > have some machines set aside at the moment, and have had others offer > chunks of machines to test various combinations

Re: [Openstack] Lieutenants (Again)

2011-05-06 Thread Andy Smith
Added myself to a variety of things, not necessarily expecting to manage them all but trying to fill holes. On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Christian Berendt wrote: > > > I'm still looking for points of contact for the remaining sections. > > Added myself and my co-worker Andre Naehring to "packa

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Design Summit - Fall 2011 Location Request

2011-03-29 Thread Andy Smith
I used to live in Amsterdam so I'd +1 that. I'd also recommend Berlin over Frankfurt if that is an option, Berlin is pretty wildly cheap. I think either will be getting a bit cold and rainy in october, however. Perhaps somewhere in Spain? Barcelona? Weather there is much nicer that time of year, I

Re: [Openstack] OpenStack Design Summit Registration Open

2011-03-23 Thread Andy Smith
Sorry if I am just way out of the loop here, but where do we submit talk proposals / sign up for a talk? On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Mandelson, Jacob wrote: > On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 12:25 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > >> Stephen Spector wrote: >> > The OpenStack community is proud to announc

Re: [Openstack] A single cross-zone database?

2011-03-23 Thread Andy Smith
Coming back from a long break and getting back up to speed. I believe Sandy and I spoke about this at decent length before, the proposal that I understood we both walked away happy with was this: 1. As a first step, implement it with a single db, because that is what we already have and what is t

Re: [Openstack] Authn Authz Proposal

2011-03-03 Thread Andy Smith
Oh, the merge proposal is at https://code.launchpad.net/~anso/nova/authn_and_authz/+merge/52119 On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Andy Smith wrote: > On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Zed A. Shaw wrote: > >> On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 12:03:28PM -0800, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: >>

Re: [Openstack] Authn Authz Proposal

2011-03-03 Thread Andy Smith
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Zed A. Shaw wrote: > On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 12:03:28PM -0800, Vishvananda Ishaya wrote: > > There have been numerous mailing list discussions about common auth > methods. I feel like we end up devolving into theoretical discussions at > some point, and I find it

Re: [Openstack] UPDATE on Active reviews - filtered by target branch

2011-02-25 Thread Andy Smith
Possibly a feature request and possibly just a launchpad help request, is there a way to sort my open merge proposals by most recent activity? "Last modified" seems to only apply to changes pushed to the branch, not comments made on the merge prop. --andy On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Jay Pi

Re: [Openstack] Novatools ...

2011-02-24 Thread Andy Smith
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Andy Smith wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Andy Smith wrote: > >> > Well, my previous reply somehow isn'

Re: [Openstack] Novatools ... where to place in /nova/?

2011-02-24 Thread Andy Smith
ack/threads.html I see a > few posts from you, but they all complain about the list missing > messages from you. Not sure what the issue is. Seems replies from > everyone but you are working just fine. > > -jay > > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Andy Smith wrote: > > Unle

Re: [Openstack] Novatools ...

2011-02-24 Thread Andy Smith
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Andy Smith wrote: > > Well, my previous reply somehow isn't going through to the list... so... > > here it is again: > > I've got some objections so far: > > 1. relying on

Re: [Openstack] Review days for nova-core members

2011-02-24 Thread Andy Smith
ee how it goes, we can update a wiki as things proceed. I don't > understand the need for a more formal documentation of process. I'd just > hate for it to be a point of contention. > > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Andy Smith wrote: > >> >> >> O

Re: [Openstack] Steps that can help stabilize Nova's trunk

2011-02-24 Thread Andy Smith
That url is http://wiki.openstack.org/TestingBrainstorm btw On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Andy Smith wrote: > Please summarize these on the wiki and add your information the wiki, that > is what the wiki page was made to do and what I asked you to do. > > --andy > > > On

Re: [Openstack] Steps that can help stabilize Nova's trunk

2011-02-24 Thread Andy Smith
Please summarize these on the wiki and add your information the wiki, that is what the wiki page was made to do and what I asked you to do. --andy On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: > Andy has listed a few things on the wiki. I'll summarize the known efforts > here: > > * Anso ha

Re: [Openstack] Novatools ... where to place in /nova/?

2011-02-24 Thread Andy Smith
Unless the mailing lists are being even crazier than I think, I don't believe anybody has addressed any of the concerns I brought up in the novatools thread. Am I missing a set of emails or have you? --andy On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Sa

Re: [Openstack] Novatools ...

2011-02-24 Thread Andy Smith
(by radically messed up i mean i am getting up to 4 copies of each message and the ordering has been non-chronological) On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Andy Smith wrote: > This thread seems to be radically messed up, but from where I am sitting it > certainly doesn't seem like e

Re: [Openstack] Novatools ...

2011-02-24 Thread Andy Smith
This thread seems to be radically messed up, but from where I am sitting it certainly doesn't seem like everybody is agreeing, so far it appears that most people disagree about most things. On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Trey Morris wrote: > sounds like we agree then. Each service has it's own

Re: [Openstack] Novatools ...

2011-02-24 Thread Andy Smith
Well, my previous reply somehow isn't going through to the list... so... here it is again: I've got some objections so far: 1. relying on python-cloudservers is a good metric by which to judge your compatibility with the rackspace cloud, once jacob has accepted the changes to support changing the

Re: [Openstack] documentation of flags, introducing of a naming convention for flags

2011-02-22 Thread Andy Smith
A few points: (1) I agree with Todd and others that having flags localized to where they are used is good idea. (2) We should do some work to re-localize many of the flags, there has been a lot of kludge over time that just needs a little re-organization. This will solve the "which flags are comm

Re: [Openstack] Review days for nova-core members

2011-02-21 Thread Andy Smith
odd[1] > > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Ken Pepple > wrote: > > On Feb 21, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Andy Smith wrote: > >> Sure, we just need to remove it automatically selecting "Nova Core" and > likewise as a reviewer for you so that people are forced to expl

Re: [Openstack] Review days for nova-core members

2011-02-21 Thread Andy Smith
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 12:52 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Andy Smith wrote: > > I have some anecdotal evidence to add to this from my time at Google: > > > > (1) At Google in all reality you spent at least 2 days a week pretty > > much only participating in code review

Re: [Openstack] Steps that can help stabilize Nova's trunk

2011-02-21 Thread Andy Smith
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 6:37 AM, Jay Pipes wrote: > On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Andy Smith wrote: > > A few emails back (I have been in meetings and travel for the past two > weeks > > so I am just catching up on email now), Jay pretty much described our > plan > &g

Re: [Openstack] Should we remove nova-combined ?

2011-02-21 Thread Andy Smith
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Hi everyone, > > The bin/nova-combined script duplicates code and functionality found > elsewhere, which is very error-prone. The quantity of duplicated code > grew with nova-api switch to paste. It seems to cover one very specific > use cas

Re: [Openstack] Review days for nova-core members

2011-02-18 Thread Andy Smith
I have some anecdotal evidence to add to this from my time at Google: (1) At Google in all reality you spent at least 2 days a week pretty much only participating in code review and mailing list responses. This is due to a couple things, but mostly because code review is taken extremely seriously,

Re: [Openstack] Google Summer of Code 2011

2011-02-18 Thread Andy Smith
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Stephen Spector < stephen.spec...@openstack.org> wrote: > Devs: > > The time to decide on GSOC is fast approaching. As I indicated earlier this > month, we will decide to proceed based on the projects developers would like > to submit. As of today, there are no pr

Re: [Openstack] Instance waiting on scheduling

2011-02-18 Thread Andy Smith
Hi :) This is probably something you want to move to the questions and answers section on Launchpad: https://answers.launchpad.net/nova And the first thing you will want to do is start to look at your logs in /var/log/nova --andy On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Harshavardhana wrote: > Hi Ev

Re: [Openstack] Steps that can help stabilize Nova's trunk

2011-02-18 Thread Andy Smith
A few emails back (I have been in meetings and travel for the past two weeks so I am just catching up on email now), Jay pretty much described our plan of setting up a bunch of machines in multiple configurations for use as a test cluster. Towards that goal I'd love to start compiling the various

Re: [Openstack] Network Service for L2/L3 Network Infrastructure blueprint

2011-01-28 Thread Andy Smith
eworks, API engines, extension mechanisms, > and porting the existing functionality. All of this can be done in parallel > to the stability work being done in the Nova code base. As far as I know > there are not major updates coming in either the volume or network > management code for this miles

Re: [Openstack] Network Service for L2/L3 Network Infrastructure blueprint

2011-01-28 Thread Andy Smith
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 10:18 AM, John Purrier wrote: > Some clarification and a suggestion regarding Nova and the two new proposed > services (Network/Volume). > > To be clear, Nova today contains both volume and network services. We can > specify, attach, and manage block devices and also speci

Re: [Openstack] Network Service for L2/L3 Network Infrastructure blueprint

2011-01-28 Thread Andy Smith
I'd second a bit of what Jay says and toss in that I don't think the code is ready to be splitting services off: - There have already been significant problems dealing with glance, the nasa people and the rackspace people have effectively completely different code paths (nasa: ec2, objectstore, li

Re: [Openstack] new config file for nova-api

2011-01-19 Thread Andy Smith
ings. --andy > > -jay > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Andy Smith wrote: > > My understanding is that the paste.deploy config is unrelated to the > flags > > system and is rather separate in scope. > > > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Jay Pipes wrote

Re: [Openstack] new config file for nova-api

2011-01-19 Thread Andy Smith
My understanding is that the paste.deploy config is unrelated to the flags system and is rather separate in scope. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Jay Pipes wrote: > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 6:41 AM, Armando Migliaccio > wrote: > > I have noticed that recently a new way of configuring nova-api

Re: [Openstack] Lazy import of modules

2011-01-14 Thread Andy Smith
Thanks phone, that was a yup to separate repository generally. Small libraries could sneak in but usually best to separate repo in my opinion. On Jan 14, 2011 10:05 AM, "Jay Pipes" wrote: > On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:28 AM, John Purrier wrote: >> Another thought, as we envision moving OpenStack f

Re: [Openstack] Lazy import of modules

2011-01-14 Thread Andy Smith
Yup. On Jan 14, 2011 10:05 AM, "Jay Pipes" wrote: > On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:28 AM, John Purrier wrote: >> Another thought, as we envision moving OpenStack forward we will likely be including code and projects that are not written in Python. Being forward looking should we structure openstack-c

Re: [Openstack] Lazy import of modules

2011-01-13 Thread Andy Smith
While I agree largely with the statements so far, I think the main issue with nova-common is that the swift project and the nova project have pretty much no communication going on between them. I think that is okay for now, the projects are two rather distinct codebases dropped wholesale next to ea

Re: [Openstack] [RFC] OpenStack API

2011-01-08 Thread Andy Smith
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Sandy Walsh wrote: > Hi! > > I just read the EasyAPI BP and, from a technical perspective, seems > rational and sound. The challenge, of course, are the implications for the > business side of the house. I realize it doesn't make sense to strive for > backward compa

Re: [Openstack] [RFC] OpenStack Scope and projects

2010-12-30 Thread Andy Smith
> > John > > > > *From:* Andy Smith [mailto:andys...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, December 30, 2010 3:20 PM > *To:* John Purrier > *Cc:* openstack@lists.launchpad.net > *Subject:* Re: [Openstack] [RFC] OpenStack Scope and projects > > > > I would quickly say this

Re: [Openstack] [RFC] OpenStack Scope and projects

2010-12-30 Thread Andy Smith
I would quickly say this should be on the wiki so that it can be kept up to date as it is discussed, it is a document not an email. On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:59 PM, John Purrier wrote: > I would like to present for discussion a statement on the scope and > projects that are considered core to O

Re: [Openstack] Easy API

2010-12-30 Thread Andy Smith
net/nova/+spec/nova-authn > spec: http://wiki.openstack.org/openstack-authn > > Have you taken a look at the blueprint? Are we on the same page in terms > of auth or are you proposing something different? > > -jOrGe W. > > On Dec 29, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Andy Smith wrote: > > +opensta

Re: [Openstack] Easy API

2010-12-29 Thread Andy Smith
+openstack On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Andy Smith wrote: > Heya Matt, > > I was intending on writing an email to the mailing list about it (so I'll > just CC it), was just going over tone with the Anso team first since I tend > to come off a bit antagonistic. > >