Re: (Another) Transport Layer Question

2000-11-03 Thread Geoff Thorpe
Hi there, On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, Andreas Jungmaier wrote: > After looking through the openssl-source code I figured (since there > are BIO-class implementations for memory i/o, socket i/o as well as > remote procedure call-based i/o and a BIO-null class template) that > it should be possibl

Re: (Another) Transport Layer Question

2000-11-03 Thread Bodo Moeller
On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 02:17:24PM +0200, Andreas Jungmaier wrote: [...] > After looking through the openssl-source code I figured (since there > are BIO-class implementations for memory i/o, socket i/o as well as > remote procedure call-based i/o and a BIO-null class template) that > it s

Re: transport layer question

2000-08-11 Thread Richard Levitte - VMS Whacker
From: Albert Serra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Serra> - Is it possible to use OpenSSL on top of RTSP, or UDP? as Serra> there has been contradictory answers. It's possible if you add the reliability yourself. UDP is in itself unreliable, and would therefore in itself not be suitable. Serra> - If it

RE: transport layer question

2000-08-11 Thread Jon Sjoberg
Albert,   SSL can run over ANY reliable transport layer (IP or not).   Making UDP reliable, with out all the overhead and performance implications of TCP, is possible and in a few instances desirable.   Hope this helps, Jon   -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[E

Re: transport layer question

2000-08-11 Thread Rich Salz
SSL/TLS requires a transport protocol that is like TCP: each byte sent by "A" is received by "B" exactly once, and in order. If you want to use OpenSSL on top of anything other than a TCP socket, you will have to write some code that interfaces your transport into the OpenSSL "BIO" framework.

Re: transport layer question

2000-08-11 Thread Eric Rescorla
Richard Levitte - VMS Whacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > From: Doris Diedrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > dido> Nope, it doesn't. > dido> As far as I know, SSL works on top of UDP too. > > Hmm, have you actually tested this? With the cipher DES-CBC3-SHA for > example? Have you any idea what wo

Re: transport layer question

2000-08-11 Thread Albert Serra
So, - Is it possible to use OpenSSL on top of RTSP, or UDP? as there has been contradictory answers. - If it is possible, what you have to modify from the Openssl C code? - The specifications what they pretend to mean, that it is possible if the transport protocol is reliable. If you'd read the S

RE: transport layer question

2000-08-11 Thread Dale Peakall
> SSL/TLS can only work on top of TCP. Rubbish, a collegue of mine integrated SSLeay into our OSI stack, and was able to run SSL on top of TP0/X.25, TP4/(CLNP), as well as TP0/RFC 1006 -> TCP. __ OpenSSL Project

Re: transport layer question

2000-08-11 Thread Rich Salz
> run SSL over UDP, with a layer that provides reliable delivery. > Of course that's duplicating the functionality of TCP, but > people reinvent the wheel all the time... But there are times when it is quite appropriate to build a guaranteed delivery protocol on top of UDP. RPC systems are a goo

Re: transport layer question

2000-08-11 Thread Eric Murray
On Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 01:45:37PM +0200, Doris Diedrich wrote: > Nope, it doesn't. > As far as I know, SSL works on top of UDP too. "As far as I know" means "I didn't try it" :-) Try it on a loaded network. Let us know if it works. > Have a look in the spec for this. If you'd read the SSL

Re: transport layer question

2000-08-11 Thread Richard Levitte - VMS Whacker
From: Doris Diedrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dido> Nope, it doesn't. dido> As far as I know, SSL works on top of UDP too. Hmm, have you actually tested this? With the cipher DES-CBC3-SHA for example? Have you any idea what would happen if a packet was missing? Undetected? -- Richard Levitte \

Re: transport layer question

2000-08-11 Thread Jeffrey Altman
SSL/TLS can only work on top of TCP. SSL/TLS is a connection oriented protocol. It does not provide support for connectionless sockets. That is the reason that WTLS was developed for wireless devices. > Nope, it doesn't. > As far as I know, SSL works on top of UDP too. > Have a look in the spec

Re: transport layer question

2000-08-11 Thread Doris Diedrich
Nope, it doesn't. As far as I know, SSL works on top of UDP too. Have a look in the spec for this. alas, I don't know if OpenSSL works on top of other protocols, but it shoukd: you might want to use BIO's to fake 'normal' sockets. On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Eric Murray wrote: > On Thu, Aug 10, 2000 a

Re: transport layer question

2000-08-11 Thread Bodo Moeller
On Thu, Aug 10, 2000 at 09:32:36PM +0200, Richard Levitte - VMS Whacker wrote: >> Yep, it's all you need. It should be stated in the TLS RFC; I > Oh, and writing the BIO method for RTSP, not to be forgotten... Or use memory BIOs or a BIO pair. __