Re: Even CA's make mistakes..

2005-01-20 Thread Alok
> >> > > > >ok per block, it is still "a function (on a set) = output" > > > > > Sorry, I don't understand your analogy with rubik's cube (most possibly > because that's just not the way my brain's working... ;)) :o) > > A block cypher has a defined output for a defined input, so if you > encode

Re: Even CA's make mistakes..

2005-01-20 Thread Bernhard Froehlich
Alok wrote: I'm no expert, so please verify anything that you don't trust here. Block algorithms typically don't operate the way a cube operates. They are named a block algorithm because they operate on a single block in, single block out. ok per block, it is still "a function (on a set) = ou

Re: Even CA's make mistakes..

2005-01-20 Thread Alok
ining it in > > space, > > > > are there more than one ways to get the cube into a particular formation? > > (not that I can solve the cube manually either...) > > Are block algorithms not closer to tensors? > > sorry if this sounds stupid though.. > > > &

Re: Even CA's make mistakes..

2005-01-20 Thread Andrew Mann
the cube manually either...) Are block algorithms not closer to tensors? sorry if this sounds stupid though.. -thanks Alok - Original Message - From: "Bernhard Froehlich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 6:10 AM Subject: Re: Even CA's make mis

Re: Even CA's make mistakes..

2005-01-20 Thread Alok
sounds stupid though.. -thanks Alok - Original Message - From: "Bernhard Froehlich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 6:10 AM Subject: Re: Even CA's make mistakes.. > Alok wrote: > > > [...] > > > >lets take PKI out

Re: Even CA's make mistakes..

2005-01-19 Thread Bernhard Froehlich
Alok wrote: [...] lets take PKI out for a moment and talk simple block encryption, given that you know a. the message or the 1st few bits in it b. the set of possible block algorithms used to encrypt Can you determine session key? If it would be known to be possible this would not be a algorithm

Re: Even CA's make mistakes..

2005-01-19 Thread Alok
> * Alok wrote: > > > A bit off the thread... > > Ever wondered if one can break PKI given that the 1st request to a server is > > mostly GET / in https? > > The "GET /HTTP/1.0" is done using a symetric cipher like RC2 or RC4 etc. > The PKI is only used to transfer the symetric key between hosts

Re: Even CA's make mistakes..

2005-01-19 Thread Alok
A bit off the thread... Ever wondered if one can break PKI given that the 1st request to a server is mostly GET / in https? Any ideas? - Original Message - From: "Shaun Lipscombe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 4:57 AM Subject: Even CA's make mistakes.. > In