Re: OCSP and self signed

2013-07-31 Thread Jakob Bohm
On 31-07-2013 22:11, Salz, Rich wrote: Wouldn't it be just as good to have a cRLDistributionPoint which does not restrict the available ReasonFlags and then put "cACompromise" in the CRL if/when that disaster happens? No because with my idea you are a priori restrict the crlDP to be only CA r

RE: OCSP and self signed

2013-07-31 Thread Salz, Rich
> Wouldn't it be just as good to have a cRLDistributionPoint which does not > restrict the available ReasonFlags and then put "cACompromise" in the CRL > if/when that disaster happens? No because with my idea you are a priori restrict the crlDP to be only CA revocation. > Wouldn't it be equall

Re: OCSP and self signed

2013-07-31 Thread Jakob Bohm
On 31-07-2013 19:56, Salz, Rich wrote: This is not possible according to PKIX. RFC5280 states "The trust anchor for the certification path [of the crl] MUST be the same as the trust anchor used to validate the target certificate." The root certificate creates a crl-signing cert. The root certi

RE: OCSP and self signed

2013-07-31 Thread Salz, Rich
> This is not possible according to PKIX. RFC5280 states "The trust anchor for > the certification path [of the crl] MUST be the same as the trust anchor used > to validate the target certificate." The root certificate creates a crl-signing cert. The root certificate includes a cRLDistributionP

RE: OCSP and self signed

2013-07-31 Thread Eisenacher, Patrick
> -Original Message- > From: Walter H. >> Eisenacher, Patrick wrote: > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Jakob Bohm >> > > As I said before, there's no pki-inherent mechanism to revoke a self signed >> certificate other than to remove it from your truststore. > > not really; a CA tha

Re: OCSP and self signed

2013-07-31 Thread Walter H.
On 31.07.2013 16:47, Jakob Bohm wrote: the only cert that can't be checked by OCSP is the root cert itself; This is where I disagree, can you point me to an actual reason why not, which is not refuted by my logical ABC argument above. the Authority Information Access extension does not make an

Re: OCSP and self signed

2013-07-31 Thread Jakob Bohm
On 31-07-2013 16:01, Walter H. wrote: Eisenacher, Patrick wrote: -Original Message- From: Jakob Bohm On 31-07-2013 11:02, Eisenacher, Patrick wrote: -Original Message- From: Jakob Bohm On 30-07-2013 20:53, Walter H. wrote: On 30.07.2013 19:51, Eisenacher, Patrick wrote: Jako

Re: OCSP and self signed

2013-07-31 Thread Walter H.
Eisenacher, Patrick wrote: -Original Message- From: Jakob Bohm On 31-07-2013 11:02, Eisenacher, Patrick wrote: -Original Message- From: Jakob Bohm On 30-07-2013 20:53, Walter H. wrote: On 30.07.2013 19:51, Eisenacher, Patrick wrote: Jakob, I don't und

RE: OCSP and self signed

2013-07-31 Thread Eisenacher, Patrick
> -Original Message- > From: Jakob Bohm > > On 31-07-2013 11:02, Eisenacher, Patrick wrote: > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Jakob Bohm > >> > >> On 30-07-2013 20:53, Walter H. wrote: > >>> On 30.07.2013 19:51, Eisenacher, Patrick wrote: > > Jakob, I don't understand your reasoni

Re: OCSP and self signed

2013-07-31 Thread Jakob Bohm
On 31-07-2013 11:02, Eisenacher, Patrick wrote: -Original Message- From: Jakob Bohm On 30-07-2013 20:53, Walter H. wrote: On 30.07.2013 19:51, Eisenacher, Patrick wrote: In Boolean logic, we have the following possibilities: - Root is trusted, so the revocation is valid, so the root i

RE: OCSP and self signed

2013-07-31 Thread Eisenacher, Patrick
> -Original Message- > From: Jakob Bohm > > On 30-07-2013 20:53, Walter H. wrote: > > On 30.07.2013 19:51, Eisenacher, Patrick wrote: > > In Boolean logic, we have the following possibilities: > > - Root is trusted, so the revocation is valid, so the root is not > trusted. This is a c

Re: OCSP and self signed

2013-07-30 Thread Jakob Bohm
On 30-07-2013 20:53, Walter H. wrote: On 30.07.2013 19:51, Eisenacher, Patrick wrote: I was wondering how the root cert gets revoked. Anyway thanks for posting that request. A self-signed certificate can't be revoked via a crl, because you won't be able to successfully verify its signature. ke

Re: OCSP and self signed

2013-07-30 Thread Walter H.
On 30.07.2013 19:51, Eisenacher, Patrick wrote: I was wondering how the root cert gets revoked. Anyway thanks for posting that request. A self-signed certificate can't be revoked via a crl, because you won't be able to successfully verify its signature. keep in mind, that in case you detect a p

RE: OCSP and self signed

2013-07-30 Thread Eisenacher, Patrick
> -Original Message- > From: redpath > > I agree with this > > "Once again, I would like to advocate that the openssl verification code > should allow a self-signed certificate to revoke itself, using the same > mechanisms as for revoking anything else. " > > I was wondering how the ro

Re: OCSP and self signed

2013-07-30 Thread redpath
sting that request. -- View this message in context: http://openssl.6102.n7.nabble.com/OCSP-and-self-signed-tp45918p45996.html Sent from the OpenSSL - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ OpenS

Re: OCSP and self signed

2013-07-30 Thread Jakob Bohm
On 23-07-2013 23:56, Steven Madwin wrote: The short answers is no. An OCSP response has to be signed by the issuer (or a delegate of the issuer) and a self-signed cert is issued by itself. As a general rule certs can't revoke themselves so there is no need to get a revocation response for a self-

RE: OCSP and self signed

2013-07-24 Thread Steven Madwin
ssage- From: owner-openssl-us...@openssl.org [mailto:owner-openssl-us...@openssl.org] On Behalf Of redpath Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 10:27 AM To: openssl-users@openssl.org Subject: OCSP and self signed I was wondering about self signed certs. If I run the test OCSP it needs to know the CA cer

OCSP and self signed

2013-07-23 Thread redpath
I was wondering about self signed certs. If I run the test OCSP it needs to know the CA cert but there is no CA cert. So can a OCSP responder work for self signed certs. -- View this message in context: http://openssl.6102.n7.nabble.com/OCSP-and-self-signed-tp45918.html Sent from the OpenSSL

RE: problem with ocsp and self signed CA

2008-09-13 Thread matteo mattau
Hi, any idea about I can trust self signed certificate, avoiding use of no chain verify flag? thanks, M.M. _ Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger  http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&sourc

RE: problem with ocsp and self signed CA

2008-09-11 Thread matteo mattau
> > Can you include the certificates involved in your problem report?> Thanks for reply & attention, below the CA -BEGIN CERTIFICATE-MIIDwTCCAqmgAwIBAgIBATANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADCBgTELMAkGA1UEBhMCSVQxFzAVBgNVBAoTDkFjdGFsaXMgUy5wLkEuMSIwIAYDVQQLExlTZXJ2aXppIGRpIGNlcnRpZmljYXppb25lMTUwMwYDV

Re: problem with ocsp and self signed CA

2008-09-11 Thread Patrick Patterson
On September 11, 2008 09:24:46 am matteo mattau wrote: > Dears,I'm in trouble with self signed certificate, when I try to verify via > ocsp a certificate whose issuer is self signed.The error I receive is > always openssl ocsp -issuer /usr/local/ssl/cert/issuerPEM.crt -cert > ./certificatePEM.cer -

problem with ocsp and self signed CA

2008-09-11 Thread matteo mattau
Dears,I'm in trouble with self signed certificate, when I try to verify via ocsp a certificate whose issuer is self signed.The error I receive is always openssl ocsp -issuer /usr/local/ssl/cert/issuerPEM.crt -cert ./certificatePEM.cer -url http://ocsp.foo.com -CApath /usr/local/ssl/certRespons