Re: [opensource-dev] Stuff from my Lunch Bag

2010-04-10 Thread Tateru Nino
On 11/04/2010 1:06 AM, Gareth Nelson wrote: >> Not that the Lab actually needs anything resembling the TPVP to successfully >> take legal action against someone making pernicious viewers available or >> creating them for their own use. >> > I can use telnet to break into various TCP-based se

Re: [opensource-dev] Stuff from my Lunch Bag

2010-04-10 Thread Joel Foner
Sometimes it's useful to take a large parallel jump as a way of exploring an issue. This one just hit me as a direct parallel (riffing on Gareth's idea below): Is it possible to hold a web browser manufacturer responsible as a tool to breach security and steal credit card numbers, perform denial of

Re: [opensource-dev] Stuff from my Lunch Bag

2010-04-10 Thread Gareth Nelson
> Not that the Lab actually needs anything resembling the TPVP to successfully > take legal action against someone making pernicious viewers available or > creating them for their own use. I can use telnet to break into various TCP-based servers, does that make the authors of my telnet client liab

Re: [opensource-dev] Stuff from my Lunch Bag

2010-04-10 Thread Tateru Nino
If you're a developer who is also a user, it'd really be a second-party viewer wouldn't it? Technically, isn't the distinction actually between a viewer /distributor/ (one who makes source code and/or binaries available to others, whether or not they're /modifying it/) and a user (someone who uses

Re: [opensource-dev] Stuff from my Lunch Bag

2010-04-10 Thread Aleric Inglewood
+100 Aleric Inglewood This seems to coincide with my remarks added to https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Robin_Cornelius/tvp_mods where I point out that the mixture of developer and user just doesn't work (if only because it requires a *different* definition of "Third-Pary Viewer"). However, m

Re: [opensource-dev] Stuff from my Lunch Bag

2010-04-09 Thread Maya Remblai
I agree with this outline, it makes far more sense. However I did want to point out this one minor detail: Nicholaz Beresford wrote: > - instruct that there is no end user support for problems arising when > using a TPV > I assume you meant problems arising *because* of using a TPV. A user ha

Re: [opensource-dev] Stuff from my Lunch Bag

2010-04-09 Thread Argent Stonecutter
On 2010-04-09, at 14:17, Nicholaz Beresford wrote: > I won't attend the meeting, but here are a few pennies worth of > suggestions (they would be too detailed and complex to convey in a > meeting anyway). [...] I can't attend, because scheduling, firewalls, and voice are too great a hurdle, but

[opensource-dev] Stuff from my Lunch Bag

2010-04-09 Thread Nicholaz Beresford
I won't attend the meeting, but here are a few pennies worth of suggestions (they would be too detailed and complex to convey in a meeting anyway). First of all, I believe the current TPV is broken beyond repair. The main reason is that responsibilities for users, developers and viewer dictio