em.
- Original Message -
From: Brandon Husbands
To: Boy Lane
Cc: Discrete Dreamscape ; opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Viewer blacklist to replace the TPV
Sighs.
Last post I am going to wor
riginal Message -
From: Brandon Husbands
To: Boy Lane
Cc: Discrete Dreamscape ; opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Viewer blacklist to replace the TPV
My credentials are not up for discussion. Most in Second Life
ll to your credibility Mr. Brandon Husbands :).
- Original Message -
From: Boy Lane
To: Brandon Husbands ; Discrete Dreamscape
Cc: opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Viewer blacklist to replace the TPV
I
ly conclude you are the troll here.
Boy
- Original Message -
From: Brandon Husbands
To: Discrete Dreamscape
Cc: Boy Lane ; opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Viewer blacklist to replace the TPV
I do not add
We certainly should follow the bright example of Emerald / Modularsystems,
where you Discrete are a member of. A pseudo company set up and owned
by known banned griefer JCool aka who revived his banned account(s) under
the names of Fractured Crystal/Fractured Modularsystems.
Back to their registra
Hi,
We know that for objects/prims information about the last owner is stored and
can be pulled from the database. Several viewers implement that as a useful
feature to e.g. trace the origin of dubious in the copybot age.
I've tried to access the Last Owner information for inventory items that
Thanks Joe, I was not aware that there is an ongoing discussion. Which would be
3am in the middle of the night for me anyway.
But thumbs up for the initiative.
Boy
- Original Message -
From: Joe Linden
To: Boy Lane
Cc: opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com
Sent: Tuesday
As this did not make it into the mailing list yet but is rather important,
LL changed the TPV policy again, quiet, in the background.
I don't know how this affects the legal validity of that document
people agreed by clickwrapping since the new ToS popup, I just
want to make you aware of that.
R
Looking at this mailing list the meeting with Joe did not do anything but put
new oil in the fire. People start the same interpretation of intentions all
over again that were already discussed to death. Intentions were never
questioned. I don't really know what the point is of going through all
Tateru wrote in this regards. The short form:
https://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/opensource-dev/2010-April/001633.html
Boy
- Original Message -
From: "Carlo Wood"
To: "Boy Lane"
Cc: "Joe Miller" ;
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: [ope
voice plan. Many people are not fluent in
English but can read and write.
Thanks!
- Original Message -
From: Joe Miller
To: Boy Lane
Cc: opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV
r and it's legal standing to TPV?
Nothing.
- Original Message -
From: Simon Disk
To: Boy Lane
Cc: opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV
I understand i
, isn't it :)
- Original Message -
From: Simon Disk
To: Boy Lane
Cc: opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV
Why does creating an alt mean your jumping on LL's side?
Why would I create an alt to jump stupidity on the side of LL? Not only can
they track someone, but why would I let my principles of integrity and
reputation go just to attend some set up meeting with a questionable agenda?
- Original Message -
From: Simon Disk
To: Boy Lane
Cc
3rd party viewer
policy without forcing these developers beforehand to accept
that exact policy in question.
- Original Message -
From: "Nicholaz Beresford"
To: ; "Boy Lane"
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 8:38 PM
Subject: Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV
>
hat allows for this. The beta grid would be such an option.
Boy
- Original Message -
From: Joe Linden
To: Boy Lane
Cc: opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV
Of course you can
Thanks Joe.
Unfortunately one can not attend without going inworld and accepting
ToS/TPV in the first place.
> - Original Message -
> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 13:24:57 -0700
> From: Joe Linden
> Subject: [opensource-dev] Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV
> next Tuesday (4/13)
>
As the commencement date of TPV comes closer I've compiled a list of the known
3rd party viewers and their current status. Please add if I missed anything or
there are any news.
Viewers stopped development for Secondlife:
Imprudence (full)
RealXtend (full)
Luna (full)
Viewers stopped develo
Case closed.
-1
http://my.opera.com/boylane/blog/rainbow-viewer-endgame-release-5-the-final
- Original Message -
From: "Boy Lane"
To: "Morgaine"
Cc:
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Can you legally agree to incompre
Clearly NO.
Honestly, I don't know why this matters anymore. Everything was said. Linden
made it clear they'll stick to their
TPV "guns".
Four viewer projects announced they discontinue support for SL, that is
Imprudence, RealXtend, Luna and Rainbow.
Some other people still hang on but probabl
Small correction here, according to the FAQ the commencement date of TPV is 30
April, so one more month from now on.
- Original Message -
From: Morgaine
To: opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com
Cc: Boy Lane ; Ryan McDougall
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:36 AM
Subject: A
While this may protect a viewer developer from direct responsibility towards
a user, it does not provide any protection against LL. Assuming I have to
clickwrap-accept TPV by 30 April before I'm allowed to connect to the
SecondLife grid, I still accept universal guilt towards LL.
Example: A con
@Darmath
You wrote you are a law student and this is certainly a very interesting
subject to explore, without getting really involved. Unless you make your own
viewer.
I think we agree here about the underlying common sense and the good intentions
of everyone in this discussion. I believe we c
Thanks Joe for just confirming our concerns.
> If a developer of a TPV never uses it to connect to SL, there is nothing in
> that
> document that applies to them. Period. By the same token, if that viewer is
> designed and intended to be used to access the Second Life grid(s) there are
> respon
dy said they do not plan to update their policy again.
Therefore only option 3 remains.
Luv,
Boy
----- Original Message -
From: Joe Linden
To: Ryan McDougall
Cc: Argent Stonecutter ; Boy Lane ; opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 3:53 AM
Subject: Re: [openso
really paid lawyers
for this (which they supposedly hired)?
- Original Message -
From: Harleen Gretzky
To: Boy Lane
Cc: Tayra Dagostino ; opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Third party viewer policy
e LL's TPV does violate GPL terms and conditions by
putting further restrictions - independent of usage of a resulting program -
on software and developers. That's a fact with the current "legalese".
Beating a dead horse :)
- Original Message -
From: "Tayra Da
quot;Tayra Dagostino"
To: "Boy Lane"
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Third party viewer policy: commencement date
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:05:29 +0800
> "Boy Lane" wrote:
>
>> Again, I completely agree with you. I
makes
the first attempt pointless.
And because of that all and every current 3rd party viewers based on GPLed
LL sources can not be allowed
to connect to the SL grid.
- Original Message -
From: "Tayra Dagostino"
To: "Boy Lane"
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010
LL* current 3rd party SL viewers
other than Naali or from scratched progammed text clients.
Boy
- Original Message -
From: "Tayra Dagostino"
To: "Boy Lane"
Cc: "Joe Linden" ;
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Third part
cious ones which do not care about any policy anyway;
laughing all their way to their next rip.
If that policy stays as it is, it would mean the end of all legal 3rd party
viewer developments for SecondLife. But perhaps that's exactly what LL tries to
achieve after all. Sadly.
Boy
-
rrent version is binding and/or when will an updated version be
available?
Thanks for your kind attention. Hopefully...
- Original Message -
From: "Boy Lane"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 10:11 PM
Subject: Third party viewer policy: commencement date
> It has been
It has been 14 days since the initial draft of the 3PVP was published and we
were told it will be reworked to include comments, concerns and suggestions.
Two weeks have passed since and besides a FAQ that also says the policy is
being worked on there have been no news.
As this is a mission crit
I would like to reiterate on one point that was mentioned shortly already, the
liability of a developer.
LL's new policy says under 7.
"If you are a user or Developer of Third-Party Viewers:
a. You are responsible for all uses you make of Third-Party Viewers, and if you
are a Developer, you a
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