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Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Tigro Spottystripes wrote: > Without proofs that might have just as well have come from the butt of > Neil or some other person pissed at Skills for catching their customers > using malicious clients. Since the methods are secret, we have only the vendor's word t

Re: [opensource-dev] "Second-Party" viewer policy (was: Third party viewer policy)

This is what LL say: 8e We may enforce this Policy in our sole discretion, including but not limited to by removing a Third-Party Viewer from the Viewer Directory and suspending or terminating the Second Life accounts of Developers or users of a Third-Party Viewer. We further reserve the right to t

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Without proofs that might have just as well have come from the butt of Neil or some other person pissed at Skills for catching their customers using malicious clients. On 1/3/2010 01:34, Miro wrote: > I urge you to read the thread. There are details t

Re: [opensource-dev] Fwd: FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

Back in the old days of Philip's SL, Lindens often proclaimed the futility of entering an arms race, and the channel concept stems from that --- self-identification as a choice, in the knowledge that stronger measures will always be countered anyway. It seems that those days are long gone though.

Re: [opensource-dev] Fwd: FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 but scripts are oblivious to that data, no? On 1/3/2010 01:05, Maggie Leber (sl: Maggie Darwin) wrote: > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Maggie Leber (sl: Maggie Darwin) > Date: Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:04 PM > Subject: Re: [opensource

[opensource-dev] Fwd: FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

-- Forwarded message -- From: Maggie Leber (sl: Maggie Darwin) Date: Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy To: Tigro Spottystripes On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Tigro Spottystripes wrote: > An user agent string

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 So, all that the scriptkiddies out there need to do to evade the all mighty Gemini CDS malicious client user detection system is to not have Quicktime installed? And LL is letting all their users run around with their machines open to attack by anyone?

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 An user agent string for the client would indeed be useful, but would be useless to catch all but the lamest malicious clients. On 1/3/2010 00:55, Bryon Ruxton wrote: > Of course, I know that Tigro. But just like any web site can detect a > user-agent

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Tigro Spottystripes wrote: > hm, i didn't thought he did collect IP addresses, but even if the system > does catch IP addresses (which isn't such a big deal if you keep your > machine safe) an IP address wouldn't be of any help identifying > malicious clients, unl

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

Of course, I know that Tigro. But just like any web site can detect a user-agent and block it, I'd like to be able to detect the viewer agent, (perhaps via llGetAgentInfo) of the avatar getting on my land anyway. Such would be useful for various other reasons such a compatibility checks, analysis o

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hm, i didn't thought he did collect IP addresses, but even if the system does catch IP addresses (which isn't such a big deal if you keep your machine safe) an IP address wouldn't be of any help identifying malicious clients, unless the malicious clien

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Miro wrote: > Some research has been done into how the device works. Apparently it > exploits a vulnerability in QuickTime to access users' computers and > "mine" information about what software is, or was, installed on them. With the advent of Viewer2 and promi

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

Reposting part of last response to Soft, which the list's Mailman/pipermail sliced off. >> As is written in the answer A15, "Residents retain intellectual property >> rights in the content they create in Second Life and it is important for you >> to respect those rights." Respec

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

You might wish to make time to read this (very long) thread, if you have not already: https://blogs.secondlife.com/thread/10467 Some research has been done into how the device works. Apparently it exploits a vulnerability in QuickTime to access users' computers and "mine" information about wha

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Tateru Nino wrote: > Ah, I'm starting to see now. Developers are only subject to the TPV policy > if they want to be listed in the directory. Users are subject to the policy > should they choose to use a TPV to connect to a Linden-operated grid, rather > than an a

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 AFAIK it doesn't claim to be able to detect them all the time, nor to be able to detect all clients that might be out there; it shouldn't be possible to do it, if he does make claims opposite to that he would be lying. On 1/3/2010 00:15, Maggie Leber

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Last i've heard, if you know what you're doing, it's quite easy to mask your viewer as being another viewer; any detection system would only be able to catch viewers made by unskilled people (and viewers that intentionally tell the truth). On 28/2/201

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Bryon Ruxton wrote: > An LSL function somewhere to identify viewers would help. > Leave then to us the ability to make inworld tools to control who gets in or > not. Your attention is directed to SVC-4636. I'm sure your support would be welcomed by some. Others

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

Sorry Morgaine, I stand corrected by having read the FAQs afterwards. I thought registration was required to connect to the grid... Joe, I agree with others that it¹s not enough to guard against intellectual property infringement and protect residents. Is there a plan to allow inworld residents t

[opensource-dev] Fwd: Is there free images in second life

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 (just bouncing back tot he list) - Original Message Subject:Re: [opensource-dev] Is there free images in second life Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:10:02 +0900 From: Rustam Rakhimov To: Tigro Spottystripes Yes you are

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

Byron, your personal interpretation is at odds with Joe's words. Plus, Joe has just confirmed what he said earlier regarding "promotion" anyway, and it's exactly as he wrote the 1st time around, so it's your understanding that is flawed. Having your viewer listed in the TPV Directory is a develop

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

Ann, I'll let the text from the policy speak for itself on this question: "You must not use or provide any functionality that Linden Lab’s viewers do not have for exporting content from Second Life unless the functionality verifies that the content to be exported was created by the Second Life use

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

Ah, I'm starting to see now. Developers are only subject to the TPV policy if they want to be listed in the directory. Users are subject to the policy should they choose to use a TPV to connect to a Linden-operated grid, rather than an alternative (like OpenSim) Makes sense, but that would really

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Bryon Ruxton wrote: > And I don’t think opting out of the "viewer registry" should or ever will be > an option. I haven't heard anybody official say that the registry was mandatory. Yet. ___ Policies and (un)subscribe i

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

The 5.6 is obviously LL shifting liability for "bad viewer" users to the person that wrote it. Can't blame them for that. Only problem is the "bad viewer" writers never cared and will keep right on doing what they do and the counterfeiters and shoplifters will keep right on doing what they do u

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

TPV developers may choose to list their viewers in the Directory for the value of receiving a wider awareness than they may be able to create themselves, or not. That's entirely up to the developer. All viewers that connect to the SL grids will need to abide by the TPV Policy regardless of their

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

Morgaine, I think your statement is a misunderstanding on your part. It¹s not ³just promotion². You don¹t have a choice but to be be listed AND comply if you want to legitimately connect to the grid with your viewer. As originally intended by LL. They are not exclusive as currently implemented and

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

This is untested by the way, seriously - probably won't run in its current state, and i'd advise people not to get it running On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Gareth Nelson wrote: > The policy still refers to "distribution" in general, not just those > viewers in the directory. > > So, everyone on

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

The policy still refers to "distribution" in general, not just those viewers in the directory. So, everyone on this list is about to violate it, sorry. This might seem incredibly silly but shows how much you can break this policy without having the viewer do anything other than merely connect. #

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Joe Linden wrote: > Yes, Mike, we created the Third Party Viewer Directory to promote a range > of viewers that allow Residents to experience Second Life and everything in > it in a wide variety of ways. Joe, thanks for clarifying that what you are doing with t

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

Yes, Mike, we created the Third Party Viewer Directory to promote a range of viewers that allow Residents to experience Second Life and everything in it in a wide variety of ways. Since we'll be pointing to it often, it's a great way for the largest possible audience of Residents to learn about vi

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

So you've created this Third Party Viewer Directory in order to *promote* third part viewers? *That's* your "why"? Well, you needn't have bothered. You did much more to promote third party viewers by releasing Viewer 2.0. Mike Soft Linden wrote: > I feel I should add too - this isn't all st

Re: [opensource-dev] latest SG1.3.2

On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 00:37:51 +0200 Thickbrick Sleaford wrote: > On Sunday 28 February 2010 01:23:21 Tayra Dagostino wrote: > > receiveMessage:943: GStreamer010 media instance failed to set up > ... > > (:24128): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_element_set_state: > > assertion `GST_IS_ELEMENT (element)

Re: [opensource-dev] latest SG1.3.2

On Sunday 28 February 2010 01:23:21 Tayra Dagostino wrote: > receiveMessage:943: GStreamer010 media instance failed to set up ... > (:24128): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_element_set_state: > assertion `GST_IS_ELEMENT (element)' failed > > somebody else notice this on a lenny+backports? Does your

Re: [opensource-dev] Is there free images in second life

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 or simply ask a friend to hand over a full perm snapshot they make :) On 28/2/2010 13:19, Boroondas Gupte wrote: > Rustam Rakhimov schrieb: >> Is there free images in second life ? >> >> where I can take it. > >1. Open the inventory (Ctrl-i) >

Re: [opensource-dev] Mailman for opensource-dev on pipermail is slicing posts

I'm creating a ticket for ops On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Erik Anderson wrote: > I just was looking at the opensim-dev list last night and it looks like it's > been shredding gears for a week or so now.  Finally stopped logging any > messages at all until a single message came through yester

Re: [opensource-dev] Mailman for opensource-dev on pipermail is slicing posts

I just was looking at the opensim-dev list last night and it looks like it's been shredding gears for a week or so now. Finally stopped logging any messages at all until a single message came through yesterday. On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Morgaine wrote: > For the month of February, there

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 how much of the TPV is already covered by the TOS? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkuK1CQACgkQ8ZFfSrFHsmX1iwCeKRfnZIQVQZ0VXFqPuOhXRQJO +18AniKN

Re: [opensource-dev] TPV & opensim & physics prediction

This is perfect then... If you are scheduled to meet in a sim later in the week, then why worry if all the static objects take a day to download from that sim through archaic usenet means. You would already have all the object information needed for physics and to render in a local storage. By

[opensource-dev] Fwd: Google Street View in Second Life

-- Forwarded message -- From: Giulio Prisco Date: Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 8:37 PM Subject: Google Street View in Second Life To: "SL Educators (The SLED List)" , sl...@lists.secondlife.com Any idea on how to convert this very simple example into a working implementation of Street Vi

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

You're talking commonsense, Thomas. Unfortunately, what's written down is not the commonsense interpretation that you are making of the words that are on paper. In a court of law, it is no defense to say "I was adhering to the commonsense interpretation provided by Thomas Shikami in the mailing l

[opensource-dev] Mailman for opensource-dev on pipermail is slicing posts

For the month of February, there are now 4 posts (from different people) that have been sliced into pieces and their headers-less tail fragments placed into the mailing list archive with a Subject line of "No subject". See the top of the threaded view

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

Morgaine schrieb: > GPLv2 clause 6 allows no "further restrictions" to be placed on the > freedom of developers to /"modify and distribute/" whatsoever, > regardless of whether the USAGE of that GPL software is constrained or > not. The GPL has no interest is how software is used to connect to

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

Soft Linden wrote: > It's important to understand that one can discontinue use of Second > Life at any point. On doing so, there are no further obligations > imposed by the TPV policy. The legal consults cleared this as a > resolution to all free license issues. Is that the case though? The polic

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

It seems to me that this incessant desire to use software licencing and a "viewer whitelist" as a lever on downstream viewer developers is an attempt to reduce the costs of managing the behavior of Linden Research's customers. Obviously Linden Research management believes that doing this wholesale

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

On 2010-02-27, at 20:24, Soft Linden wrote: > On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Fleep Tuque > wrote: >> >> The free content I create for education is intended to be fully >> free, fully >> permissioned, and fully exportable to other grids. Beyond the >> Second Life >> permissions, I keep ho

Re: [opensource-dev] Is there free images in second life

Rustam Rakhimov schrieb: > Is there free images in second life ? > > where I can take it. 1. Open the inventory (Ctrl-i) 2. Go to * *Library* > *Photo Album* or * *Library* > *Textures* Or get Torley's free textures here

Re: [opensource-dev] "Second-Party" viewer policy (was: Third party viewer policy)

On 2010-02-26, at 05:27, David Simmons wrote: > The common sense rules apply. If you are not connecting to the LL > grid, Linden Lab can't make any policy regarding what you do. They > don't need a policy saying that they can't make a policy telling you > what to do on another grid. Is that a lega

[opensource-dev] Is there free images in second life

Is there free images in second life ? where I can take it. Please someone who has some image please send me, I need it for experiment. PLEASE name: rusyasoft rubanis Thanks in advance ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://w

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 1:31 AM, Soft Linden wrote: > > It's important to understand that one can discontinue use of Second > Life at any point. On doing so, there are no further obligations > imposed by the TPV policy. The legal consults cleared this as a > resolution to all free license issues.

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

OK I have read this and in plain English it is pretty clear. So I expect Linden Lab will be terminating the ability to save full permissions textures to disk unless the person saving them uploaded them right? And since Linden Lab's viewer cannot determine license state of builds in view then

Re: [opensource-dev] TPV & opensim & physics prediction

On 2010-02-25, at 15:12, Dzonatas Sol wrote: > [Usenet] worked. It is still free and open. It used to be. It's getting harder and harder to get feeds these days. Everyone just reads through Google Groups rather than trying to find someone with a feed. SL and OpenSim started with the equivalent

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

Soft Linden schrieb: > As someone else pointed out in this thread, you're able to host your > content outside of Second Life if you want to ensure people are able > to import it again. So, if the content is licensed under any "copyleft" license (popular ones are GPL and the share-alike variants of

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

28.2.2010 10:34, Marine Kelley kirjoitti: > I'd like to remind people of my proposed solution, back when LL asked > everyone about how to set their third party viewer policy, a few > months ago. I had proposed to make it so that only viewers built on a > LL-owned dedicated machine would be accep

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

Some people have no problem with showing their private fetishes to the world, other people like me do. I have a family, a job, and friends. I have plenty things to hide, my private life is nobody's business, and anybody who attempts to pry it open will only meet hostility. On 28 February 2010 11:

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

For myself, I'd happily give my real name and an email address - but not a postal address for public access. Anyone who would consider doing that is lucky to never have had a stalker (trust me, it's not pleasant). If the reason for requiring this information is "in case we need to sue you" then it

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 2:09 AM, Soft Linden wrote: > On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 7:10 AM, Gareth Nelson > wrote: >> A few queries I have: >> >> Sometimes I code random small scripts to do quick inworld tasks - do I >> have to have 100% compliance for these scripts? >> I have a bot which comes in 2

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 09:34:55 +0100, Marine Kelley wrote: > I'd like to remind people of my proposed solution, back when LL asked > everyone about how to set their third party viewer policy, a few months ago. > I had proposed to make it so that only viewers built on a LL-owned dedicated > machine w

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

Am Sonntag 28 Februar 2010 schrieb Henri Beauchamp: > > I know the identity requirement will remain, and I expect there > > will be a form that's more explicit about what information is > > required, if there isn't already. > > For now, email and full snail mail address are required in addition >

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

I had understood the same, but still am not reassured. To put it simply : - Publishing my RL name and address is out of question. Ever. - Listing the RLV in the Viewer Directory requires me to give my RL info to LL, with the hopes it will stay private. Dare I say, the people maintaining this list

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 19:53:42 -0600, Soft Linden wrote: > On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 3:32 AM, Henri Beauchamp wrote: > > On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:14:52 -0600, Soft Linden wrote: > > > >> There's now a FAQ for the Linden Lab Policy on Third Party Viewers: > >> http://bit.ly/caedse > > > > Very good job,