[opensource-dev] Snowglobe 1.3 RC2

2010-02-27 Thread Philippe (Merov) Bossut
Hi, We finally nailed those last 2 show stoppers and got the build machines running again so, here we go with Snowglobe 1.3 RC 2 (1.3.2) which is likely the last of 1.3 serie. The last few weeks of testing have been pretty good and folks have been reporting better stability with the 1.3 branch so

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

2010-02-27 Thread Soft Linden
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Fleep Tuque wrote: > > The free content I create for education is intended to be fully free, fully > permissioned, and fully exportable to other grids.  Beyond the Second Life > permissions, I keep hoping for checkboxes on the Edit menu with common > licenses or a

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

2010-02-27 Thread Soft Linden
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 7:10 AM, Gareth Nelson wrote: > A few queries I have: > > Sometimes I code random small scripts to do quick inworld tasks - do I > have to have 100% compliance for these scripts? > I have a bot which comes in 2 parts - SL interface and AI engine, the > SL interface being a

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

2010-02-27 Thread Soft Linden
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Marine Kelley wrote: > I don't know much about it, but what about the data that most of us already > entered when signing up to SL ? LL should have these data stored somewhere, > why do we have to enter them all again ? If the data to be entered to sign > in to the

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

2010-02-27 Thread Soft Linden
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 3:32 AM, Henri Beauchamp wrote: > On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:14:52 -0600, Soft Linden wrote: > >> There's now a FAQ for the Linden Lab Policy on Third Party Viewers: >> http://bit.ly/caedse > > Very good job, Soft, thank you ! :-) Ah, I didn't write it! I only pointed out that

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

2010-02-27 Thread Soft Linden
Yes. Removing 1.h will be the biggest change made to the TPV policy. The rest will be much smaller tweaks. There wasn't a good, unambiguous way to state the intent of that provision. There were really two parts to it: 1) SL shouldn't just be used as a blind data conduit. We shouldn't be footing t

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

2010-02-27 Thread Soft Linden
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 12:47 AM, Morgaine wrote: > > Q2: Does the policy limit use of the viewer source code that Linden Lab > makes available under the GPL? > A2: No, the policy is not intended to and does not place any restriction on > modification or use of our viewer source code that we make

[opensource-dev] latest SG1.3.2

2010-02-27 Thread Tayra Dagostino
2010-02-27T23:19:47Z INFO: LLViewerMedia::getCurrentUserAgent: SecondLife/1.3.2.3219 (Snowglobe Release; default skin) pid:24128: (media plugin) grab_gst_syms:91: Found DSO: libgstreamer-0.10.so.0 pid:24128: (media plugin) grab_gst_syms:105: Found DSO: libgstvideo-0.10.so.0 2010-02-27T23:19:47Z INF

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

2010-02-27 Thread Morgaine
You only covered textures there, Zha. Items made in Second Life are composite objects that encapsulate geometry, textures, notecards, and often scripting, and it is the whole composite unit that is being licensed as open content in the scenario being discussed here. What's more, it may include it

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

2010-02-27 Thread Ann Otoole
So basically I cannot grant export for use in other grids licenses and must instead use some sort of a tool to export the assemblies myself and market them outside of SL as import packages. That seems to be problematic but more so it appears LL is attempting to deny the right to export any of yo

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

2010-02-27 Thread Fleep Tuque
I'm not a lawyer either of course, and while that's certainly true Zha, that you can make textures and such available via another site or source, the fact is that Second Life and XStreet are the most common distribution points for content developed for SL and OpenSim platforms. If someone finds my

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

2010-02-27 Thread Zha Ewry
Usual I am not a lawyer comments apply. One thing to keep in mind is that if you own the content, nothing requires you to distribute it exclusively via Linden Lab's service. If you have a set of textures which you hold rights to, putting them on Second Life doesn't remove your rights to use and di

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

2010-02-27 Thread Morgaine
Fleep, you give an excellent example highlighting the needs of Education in this area. Given the huge interest in educational content both in SL and in Opensim-based grids such as Science Sim, this is certain to be of major and growing interest. Perhaps the FAQ could add a *new* clause FAQ.16 (re

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

2010-02-27 Thread Fleep Tuque
(Sending for like the 4th time I hope this one gets through and sorry if I've spammed) Regarding Morgaine's comments about FAQ 15 - I fully agree that this must be the case: On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Morgaine wrote: > And finally, FAQ.15 (in the context of licenses permitting free > di

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

2010-02-27 Thread Carlo Wood
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 01:10:10PM +, Gareth Nelson wrote: > In general, I have to agree with those who say that this will only > burden legit developers - griefers will just ignore the policy and > spoof the official viewer +1 Especially the clear intend of Linden Lab to make being listed in

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

2010-02-27 Thread Henri Beauchamp
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 12:27:22 +0100, Marine Kelley wrote: > I don't know much about it, but what about the data that most of us already > entered when signing up to SL ? LL should have these data stored somewhere, > why do we have to enter them all again ? There should be no connection other than

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

2010-02-27 Thread Carlo Wood
Imho, one major source of confusion is still there. There is a huge difference between Legal Ramifications (ie, being sued and brought before court etc), and just having ones Second Life account banned. The difference between these two is completely lacking in the TPVP as well as in the FAQ. Whil

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

2010-02-27 Thread Dzonatas Sol
Soft Linden wrote: >> Remember that we're creating the Viewer Directory to promote other viewer projects, so complying with the TPV terms offers up a pretty good carrot. However, I think legal also knows we'd be making trouble for ourselves if we gave even the whiff of an endorsement to a tool

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

2010-02-27 Thread Gareth Nelson
A few queries I have: Sometimes I code random small scripts to do quick inworld tasks - do I have to have 100% compliance for these scripts? I have a bot which comes in 2 parts - SL interface and AI engine, the SL interface being a simple protocol handler - how does the policy affect my AI engine

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

2010-02-27 Thread Marine Kelley
I don't know much about it, but what about the data that most of us already entered when signing up to SL ? LL should have these data stored somewhere, why do we have to enter them all again ? If the data to be entered to sign in to the viewer directory is not linked to it, what gives LL the certai

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

2010-02-27 Thread Tigro Spottystripes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 why it doesn't feel like LL is this connected to us with lots of stuff most of the time? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkuJADIACgkQ8ZFfSrFHsmX

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

2010-02-27 Thread Henri Beauchamp
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:14:52 -0600, Soft Linden wrote: > There's now a FAQ for the Linden Lab Policy on Third Party Viewers: > http://bit.ly/caedse Very good job, Soft, thank you ! :-) However, there are a couple of points that I think should be addressed or precised in this FAQ: 1. The tradema

Re: [opensource-dev] FAQ posted for Third Party Viewer Policy

2010-02-27 Thread Latif Khalifa
Hi Soft, I'm very pleased too see that some of our biggest concerns were taken into account. For me especially the FAQ states that provision 1.h about "shared experience" is going to be removed, as it would be impossible to bring Radegast into compliance with the policy if that clause were to stay