> From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris-
> discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Erik Trimble
>
> (Can I call you Ed?)
I prefer Ned, but it don't matter much. Ed, Ned, Edward, Harvey. They're
all used. Thanks for asking.
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On Jul 13, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Hugh McIntyre wrote:
> For all lists, 22% of the messages were posted with Jive, but this rises to
> 44% of all unique sender addresses, so apparently the email users send more
> messages on average. 7% of senders used both Jive and email.
I don't find this surpri
Ken Gunderson wrote:
Yes, Erik. But few users are old grey beards like us that are comfortable with
listserver and push discussion. The newer generation interfaces w/everything
via the browser, e.g. witness web 2.0, so the reality of the matter is that the
majority of posts come via Jive int
> On Jul 12, 2010, at 16:50, Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>
> > As a result of the language used in some of these
> latest threads, I am removing some people from this
> list.
>
> Thanks, Jim, that's helpful, appropriate and
> proportionate.
Agreed. Thanks Jim.
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Posted via the Jive forum since Gmail still seems to be in the blacklist. Sorry
about any duplicates.
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:10 AM, John Plocher wrote:
>
> +-- On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Fredrich Maney
> wrote:
> | +-- I wrote:
> | | In other words, it isn't Jive's fault, nor is it th
+-- On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Fredrich Maney wrote:
| +-- I wrote:
| | In other words, it isn't Jive's fault, nor is it the Jive user's
| | fault - from their perspective, they don't see the problem. It is only
you,
| | who chose to use a deficient user interface (mail) to follow their
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:55 AM, John Plocher wrote:
> Edward Ned Harvey,
>
> Please, before you condemn everyone who uses the Jive forums as being l0sers
> and id10t's, go and use it yourself to post a day's worth of mail replies.
> Find out *for yourself* how hard or easy it is to actually live
+1 for the original groupware !!!
A couple of issues, however, 1) it would need to be coded in Jave to even be
considered, and 2) probably need to s/30/45/g. Ergo, an no go.
Sigh!! Those were the days, eh? We now return you to your regularly scheduled
nostalgic waxing... ;-P
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On Jul 12, 2010, at 16:50, Jim Grisanzio wrote:
> As a result of the language used in some of these latest threads, I am
> removing some people from this list.
Thanks, Jim, that's helpful, appropriate and proportionate.
S.
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> Yes, Erik. But few users are old grey beards like us
> that are comfortable with listserver and push
> discussion. The newer generation interfaces
> w/everything via the browser, e.g. witness web 2.0,
> so the reality of the matter is that the majority of
> posts come via Jive interface. And a
This is not a mailing list, this is a Jive forum, of which email is but one
interface possible for reading that list.
No, that's not correct, it is both. If you post via mailman it is
gatewayed to Jive, and if you post via Jive it is gatewayed to Mailman -
neither really 'leads'.
The versi
Yes, Erik. But few users are old grey beards like us that are comfortable with
listserver and push discussion. The newer generation interfaces w/everything
via the browser, e.g. witness web 2.0, so the reality of the matter is that the
majority of posts come via Jive interface. And as in my o
> I'm going to have to come down on Ed's (Can I call
> you Ed?) side here.
>
> these are *mailing lists*, NOT Jive-forums.
> yes, the problem is
> between the Jive interface (and other similar
> web-based list readers)
> and email.
>
> HOWEVER, this is firstly a mailing list, so the
> standards
Thanks for weighing in here, John. You're suggestion of "walking a mile in the
other man's moccasins" would indeed be a very constructive exercise for Edward,
as while his complaints are legitimate, the manner and tone in which he's been
endeavoring to 'solve' the issues has evidently grated on
On 7/12/2010 6:07 AM, Alan Burlison wrote:
On 11/07/2010 16:16, Svein Skogen wrote:
Now, since I'm so certain you will handle criticism about your
one-sidedness in moderation, let me use this chance to say "good bye" to
the mailinglists. Just remember to remove me from those, not just block
ji
I'm going to have to come down on Ed's (Can I call you Ed?) side here.
these are *mailing lists*, NOT Jive-forums. yes, the problem is between
the Jive interface (and other similar web-based list readers) and email.
HOWEVER, this is firstly a mailing list, so the standards of the mailing
lis
Edward Ned Harvey,
Please, before you condemn everyone who uses the Jive forums as being l0sers
and id10t's, go and use it yourself to post a day's worth of mail replies.
Find out *for yourself* how hard or easy it is to actually live life the way
you are preaching, because, in the end, unless you
> From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris-
> discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Svein Skogen
>
> As you have been told before, the users using the jive-forum doesn't
> have this luxury without a lot of manual work. Those who are using it
> as
> a mailinglis
Sorry, again ??
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On 12.07.2010 15:12, Edward Ned Harvey wrote:
>> From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris-
>> discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of john kroll
>>
>> Sorry, that was idle speculation saying nothing. From strictly a client
>> side of the public/private company mer
> From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris-
> discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of john kroll
>
> Sorry, that was idle speculation saying nothing. From strictly a client
> side of the public/private company merger, the Sun download manager is
> dead.
If you'r
svein: you need to chill. There is a life outside of forums. Outside of
Solaris/BSD/Linux/Windows.
Devsk: you should have posted this privately - it is not for this
forum's consumption. But "... a life outside forums..." does indeed
exist; but unfortunately it usually involves interacti
Sorry, that was idle speculation saying nothing. From strictly a client side of
the public/private company merger, the Sun download manager is dead.
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> svein: you need to chill. There is a life outside of forums. Outside of
> Solaris/BSD/Linux/Windows.
huh ?
I have not seen the outside of the datacenter for over a week. I think it
may be daytime out there .. not sure really. :-)
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On 7/11/2010 4:36 PM, john kroll wrote:
So its the Terms Of Use Sun.com keeps as royalty proprietor owned by Oracle
until Oracle/Sun.org shows a profit or produces its .com ?? Hopefully this is
the wrong view.
What exactly are you saying? I can't parse the above for meaning...
The TOU
> On 11.07.2010 16:09, Alan Burlison wrote:
> > On 29/06/2010 17:43, Jim Grisanzio wrote:
> >
> >> Recently there has been mail on this list that
> violates the website
> >> Terms of Use. Individuals are being warned.
> However, if this trend
> >> continues the Website Team is prepared to take
> a
So its the Terms Of Use Sun.com keeps as royalty proprietor owned by Oracle
until Oracle/Sun.org shows a profit or produces its .com ?? Hopefully this is
the wrong view.
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On 11/07/2010 16:16, Svein Skogen wrote:
Now, since I'm so certain you will handle criticism about your
one-sidedness in moderation, let me use this chance to say "good bye" to
the mailinglists. Just remember to remove me from those, not just block
jive-access. Be sure to cleanse me from storage
On 11.07.2010 16:09, Alan Burlison wrote:
> On 29/06/2010 17:43, Jim Grisanzio wrote:
>
>> Recently there has been mail on this list that violates the website
>> Terms of Use. Individuals are being warned. However, if this trend
>> continues the Website Team is prepared to take action up to and
>>
On 29/06/2010 17:43, Jim Grisanzio wrote:
Recently there has been mail on this list that violates the website
Terms of Use. Individuals are being warned. However, if this trend
continues the Website Team is prepared to take action up to and
including moderation and/or deactivation of the list. P
> From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris-
> discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Chad Welsh
>
> I recommend you police your employee's and their demeaning behavior!!!
If you're talking about me (I am the recent offender for language on the
list, and I apolo
Does this vote of support includes:
" Have a "Stand Down Day" and use it to re-educate your employees on Code
of Conduct, Ethics, Values, Company Policy,."
Just curious
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On 29.06.2010 22:20, Erik Trimble wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 12:35 -0700, me wrote:
>> Maybe i could suggest that you do something like I used to do when I was in
>> the Army.
>> Have a "Stand Down Day" and use it to re-educate your employees on Code of
>> Conduct, Ethics, Values, Company Pol
On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 12:35 -0700, me wrote:
> Maybe i could suggest that you do something like I used to do when I was in
> the Army.
> Have a "Stand Down Day" and use it to re-educate your employees on Code of
> Conduct, Ethics, Values, Company Policy, Etc.
>
> Maybe this will cool some head
>We do occasionally remove things when they very clearly violate the TOU
Thank you. This answers my question.
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Maybe i could suggest that you do something like I used to do when I was in the
Army.
Have a "Stand Down Day" and use it to re-educate your employees on Code of
Conduct, Ethics, Values, Company Policy, Etc.
Maybe this will cool some heads in this forum and help to alleviate some
temperaments.
No, I was trying to point out that your paranoid hysteria is merely people
getting pretty fed up with the list, emailing us asking us to do something
about it and our agreement that, yes, it has become a fairly tedious, abusive
and stunningly unproductive venue for all sorts of bad behaviour.
Sorry, I have found *one* of the "disappeared" posts. It was strangely placed
in the post tree. Not sure about the other one.
And it is still unclear whether there is moderation here.
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>Unless you have very specific examples of said post removals, you should not
>make such asssertions
Here you say that there is *NO* moderation.
I have two examples, though can cite them only using my memory, as they are
disappeared. Maybe not worth citing them actually.
>As for moderation, it
Unless you have very specific examples of said post removals, you should not
make such asssertions as, though I can't speak for the entire team, I am very
sure posts have not have been removed from the mailing list archives as that is
my domain and I am unaware of any such removals from this par
Jim,
I recommend you police your employee's and their demeaning behavior!!! when you
treat people in that fashion they always tend to backlash. I think you should
know best since I am always reading your post about making a better community.
When you have company representatives (whether they r
>Team is prepared to take action up to and
including moderation
careful its not emotional thinking and its the last resort.
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I have noticed that moderation is already in place. Some (maybe off-topic,
maybe not) posts are deleted almost immediately.
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