Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-28 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: Joerg Schilling [mailto:joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de] > > > Joerg, I'm going to recommend xz instead of (or in addition to) > bzip2. It's > > much faster and compresses better. My experience is 2x faster and 2x > better > > compression. > > > > Oh - Specifically if you use compress

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > > today, I put SchilliX-0.7.0 out. > > > > > > ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schillix/ > > ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schillix/SchilliX-0.7.0.iso.bz2 > > Joerg, I'm going to recommend xz instead of (or in addition to) bzip2. It's > much faster and compresses better. My exp

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-26 Thread John Plocher
[I *really* doubt that Alan misunderstands SVr4 packaging in any way whatsoever...] You are right, from a purely technological authorship perspective (stuff written 20-25 years ago by AT&T -vs Sun), patching, network aware installation, package repositories, automatic dependency computation, bundl

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Stefan Parvu wrote: > > How IPS handles the process of applying patched ? AFAIK OSOL does not > > really have the concept > > of a patch, right ? Or ? > > Right - IPS simply has new versions of packages, in which the packaging system > determines which files are differ

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-25 Thread Alan Coopersmith
HeCSa wrote: > > > On 07/24/10 07:51 PM, Rob McMahon wrote: >> On 24/07/2010 23:27, Shawn Walker wrote: >>> >>> The version of pkg(5) that will be part of b144 should deliver >>> somewhere around a 20% or greater performance improvement in >>> transport performance when used with a properly conf

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-25 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Stefan Parvu wrote: > How IPS handles the process of applying patched ? AFAIK OSOL does not really > have the concept > of a patch, right ? Or ? Right - IPS simply has new versions of packages, in which the packaging system determines which files are different from what you've already installed

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-25 Thread HeCSa
On 07/25/10 06:27 PM, Shawn Walker wrote: On 07/24/10 11:55 PM, HeCSa wrote: ... On 07/24/10 08:23 PM, Shawn Walker wrote: ... The source is there, and you can build it you know ;) Alternatively, you could use the bits someone made available on genunix.org for b142: http://genunix.org/dist

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-25 Thread Shawn Walker
On 07/24/10 03:51 PM, Rob McMahon wrote: On 24/07/2010 23:27, Shawn Walker wrote: The version of pkg(5) that will be part of b144 should deliver somewhere around a 20% or greater performance improvement in transport performance when used with a properly configured web and/or depot server. Do

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-25 Thread Shawn Walker
On 07/24/10 11:55 PM, HeCSa wrote: ... On 07/24/10 08:23 PM, Shawn Walker wrote: ... The source is there, and you can build it you know ;) Alternatively, you could use the bits someone made available on genunix.org for b142: http://genunix.org/dist/richlowe/README.txt http://genunix.org/dist/

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-25 Thread HeCSa
On 07/24/10 07:51 PM, Rob McMahon wrote: On 24/07/2010 23:27, Shawn Walker wrote: The version of pkg(5) that will be part of b144 should deliver somewhere around a 20% or greater performance improvement in transport performance when used with a properly configured web and/or depot server.

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-25 Thread Rob McMahon
On 24/07/2010 23:27, Shawn Walker wrote: The version of pkg(5) that will be part of b144 should deliver somewhere around a 20% or greater performance improvement in transport performance when used with a properly configured web and/or depot server. Do you know how frustrating it is when peo

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-25 Thread Stefan Parvu
> Star-1.5.1 is also available from Blastwave. > The star on SchilliX has one new feature: > > 1) create a meta data only archive with star -c -dump -meta . > arch > 2) extraxt the archive uwing star -xp -xmeta -force-hole < arch >in order to create all plain files as 100% empty holes > New is

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-25 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> today, I put SchilliX-0.7.0 out. > > > ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schillix/ > ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schillix/SchilliX-0.7.0.iso.bz2 Joerg, I'm going to recommend xz instead of (or in addition to) bzip2. It's much faster and compresses better. My experience is 2x faster and 2x better compres

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
Stefan Parvu wrote: > True. Im not reffering here as a drop of IPS but rather as a understanding > point > for future and how this compares against SVR4. Anyway for future community > distro > , if any, would be good if we can keep one pkg management system and be > compatible > between distr

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-25 Thread Stefan Parvu
True. Im not reffering here as a drop of IPS but rather as a understanding point for future and how this compares against SVR4. Anyway for future community distro , if any, would be good if we can keep one pkg management system and be compatible between distros. IPS should have fixed all these

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-25 Thread John Plocher
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Stefan Parvu wrote: > IPS tries to be a network pkg management system. It needs to be simple > ... list of good ideas ... These are all things that could easily be addressed, and aren't per-se reasons to abandon IPS. If it was important, these things could be do

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-24 Thread HeCSa
On 07/24/10 08:23 PM, Shawn Walker wrote: On 07/24/10 04:17 PM, Ian Collins wrote: On 07/25/10 10:27 AM, Shawn Walker wrote: On 07/24/10 06:37 AM, Moinak Ghosh wrote: ... To stir the pot here, since we are discussing a "Community Distro" as opposed to a SUN/Oracle distro, IPS when used remot

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-24 Thread Stefan Parvu
>This is not an IPS issue; this is a distribution issue. Remember that >all of the bits on pkg.opensolaris.org have been redistributable for a >long time. That means that if someone wanted a mirror in say, Finland, >they could have set one up. For that matter, one could have been setup >on genunix.

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-24 Thread Ian Collins
On 07/25/10 11:23 AM, Shawn Walker wrote: On 07/24/10 04:17 PM, Ian Collins wrote: On 07/25/10 10:27 AM, Shawn Walker wrote: The version of pkg(5) that will be part of b144 should deliver somewhere around a 20% or greater performance improvement in transport performance when used with a properl

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-24 Thread Shawn Walker
On 07/24/10 04:25 PM, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: Shawn Walker wrote: It isn't mean to be in SXCE, so wasn't put there. I think you misunderstand its purpose. Maybe IPS was not developed for integration, then I could understand why it did not appear on SXCE. IPS will not be

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-24 Thread Joerg Schilling
Shawn Walker wrote: > It isn't mean to be in SXCE, so wasn't put there. I think you > misunderstand its purpose. Maybe IPS was not developed for integration, then I could understand why it did not appear on SXCE. IPS will not be used by e.g. swiss banks the way it currently works. They do no

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-24 Thread Shawn Walker
On 07/24/10 04:17 PM, Ian Collins wrote: On 07/25/10 10:27 AM, Shawn Walker wrote: On 07/24/10 06:37 AM, Moinak Ghosh wrote: ... To stir the pot here, since we are discussing a "Community Distro" as opposed to a SUN/Oracle distro, IPS when used remotely from halfway across the world has large p

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-24 Thread Ian Collins
On 07/25/10 10:27 AM, Shawn Walker wrote: On 07/24/10 06:37 AM, Moinak Ghosh wrote: ... To stir the pot here, since we are discussing a "Community Distro" as opposed to a SUN/Oracle distro, IPS when used remotely from halfway across the world has large performance issues. For example

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-24 Thread Shawn Walker
On 07/24/10 07:06 AM, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: Shawn Walker wrote: On 07/23/10 04:41 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote: Why? IPS was shoved down the community's throat in a heavy handed and decidedly not FOSS manner. Sorry, but that's simply not true. The pkg(5) project has been

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-24 Thread Shawn Walker
On 07/24/10 10:08 AM, Stefan Parvu wrote: "> The only problem I can see in regards to how IPS was introduced that perhaps more explanation to the community at the project inception about why IPS and not something else would do good... a little bit more open dialog with the community before you

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-24 Thread Shawn Walker
On 07/24/10 06:37 AM, Moinak Ghosh wrote: ... To stir the pot here, since we are discussing a "Community Distro" as opposed to a SUN/Oracle distro, IPS when used remotely from halfway across the world has large performance issues. For example in Bangalore I personally know no one

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-24 Thread Joerg Schilling
Stefan Parvu wrote: > > Star-1.5.1 is also available from Blastwave. > > The star on SchilliX has one new feature: > > > > 1) create a meta data only archive with star -c -dump -meta . > arch > > 2) extraxt the archive uwing star -xp -xmeta -force-hole < arch > >in order to create all plain

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-24 Thread Ian Collins
On 07/25/10 02:57 AM, Ken Gunderson wrote: To all those who seemed to have been confused by my reply to Ian's post please note the following: 1) My comments were intended as a response to Ian's assertion of the 'inevitability of IPS'. The inevitability of IPS I was alluding to is Oracle's

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-24 Thread Stefan Parvu
"> The only problem I can see in regards to how IPS was introduced that perhaps > more explanation to the community at the project inception about why IPS and > not something else would do good... a little bit more open dialog with the > community before you start coding on why IPS, what are its de

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-24 Thread Ken Mays
>Ian asked: >The kernel distribution for Blastwave maybe? That would depend on people like Dennis Clarke. But I did have a little fun in a conceptual build. I'll see if Blastwave (BW) or Genunix will let me post the ON binaries there. Src: -rw-r--r-- 1 kmays csw 83309980 Jul 24 15:33 o

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-24 Thread Ken Gunderson
To all those who seemed to have been confused by my reply to Ian's post please note the following: 1) My comments were intended as a response to Ian's assertion of the 'inevitability of IPS'. 2) The example I provided, Nexenta, is pretty strong evidence that incorporation of IPS is not requisi

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-24 Thread Joerg Schilling
Shawn Walker wrote: > On 07/23/10 04:41 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote: > > Why? IPS was shoved down the community's throat in a heavy handed and > > decidedly not FOSS manner. > > Sorry, but that's simply not true. > > The pkg(5) project has been one of the few projects that is actually > very open.

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-24 Thread Moinak Ghosh
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Robert Milkowski wrote: > On 24/07/2010 02:39, Shawn Walker wrote: >> >> On 07/23/10 04:41 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote: >>> >>> Why? IPS was shoved down the community's throat in a heavy handed and >>> decidedly not FOSS manner. >> >> Sorry, but that's simply not true

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-24 Thread Robert Milkowski
On 24/07/2010 02:39, Shawn Walker wrote: On 07/23/10 04:41 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote: Why? IPS was shoved down the community's throat in a heavy handed and decidedly not FOSS manner. Sorry, but that's simply not true. The pkg(5) project has been one of the few projects that is actually very o

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-24 Thread Robert Milkowski
On 24/07/2010 00:17, Ian Collins wrote: I really do think you should accept the inevitable and accept IPS, otherwise SchilliX runs the risk of becoming an evolutionary dead end. If any OpenSolaris distributions are to survive post-Oracle, they must be able to share packages with each other a

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-23 Thread John Plocher
Ken, et al, >  IPS was shoved down the community's throat in a heavy handed and decidedly > not FOSS manner. What shoving? It seems to me that those of you who are wailing and moaning that you want a version of OpenSolaris with SVr4 packages are conspicuous by the absence of an OpenSolaris deri

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-23 Thread Ian Collins
On 07/24/10 01:23 PM, Ken Mays wrote: This is an idea, but SchilliX (or a fork of it) could remain a pure server-oriented core distro (without X or desktop cruft). The desktop stuff could come by way of IPS integration and/or CSW/SFW/other packages... The kernel distribution for Blastwave

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-23 Thread Shawn Walker
On 07/23/10 04:41 PM, Ken Gunderson wrote: Why? IPS was shoved down the community's throat in a heavy handed and decidedly not FOSS manner. Sorry, but that's simply not true. The pkg(5) project has been one of the few projects that is actually very open. It was the first to use defect.open

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-23 Thread Ken Mays
This is an idea, but SchilliX (or a fork of it) could remain a pure server-oriented core distro (without X or desktop cruft). The desktop stuff could come by way of IPS integration and/or CSW/SFW/other packages... -- This message posted from opensolaris.org __

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-23 Thread Ken Gunderson
Why? IPS was shoved down the community's throat in a heavy handed and decidedly not FOSS manner. Moreover, interestingly enough, the most popular, by far, thing to come out of Open Solaris is Nexenta, which is most definitely not IPS based. And ironically enough, using something more familiar

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-23 Thread Ian Collins
On 07/24/10 10:40 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: Ken Gunderson wrote: Cool;) My test box was just about to get fresh install of FreeBSD-8.1-RELEASE, but I'll take Schillix for a quick test spin first. It still has no GDM and an old version of Xorg I compiled in late 2005. I hope that

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-23 Thread Joerg Schilling
Ken Gunderson wrote: > P.S.; Joerg, did I miss it or are there no md5 hashes for this? See the file README. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-23 Thread Joerg Schilling
Stefan Parvu wrote: > thanks. I never tried previously the distro, but I will install this into one > of my test > machines. Is star part of the distro ? Hope so :) Star-1.5.1 is also available from Blastwave. The star on SchilliX has one new feature: 1) create a meta data only archive with st

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-23 Thread Joerg Schilling
Ken Gunderson wrote: > Cool;) > > My test box was just about to get fresh install of FreeBSD-8.1-RELEASE, but > I'll take Schillix for a quick test spin first. It still has no GDM and an old version of Xorg I compiled in late 2005. I hope that someone will compile a recent Xorg and GNOME. It ma

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-23 Thread ken mays
--- On Fri, 7/23/10, Joerg Schilling wrote: > From: Joerg Schilling > Subject: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing > To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org, distribution-disc...@opensolaris.org > Date: Friday, July 23, 2010, 3:52 PM > Hi, > > today, I p

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-23 Thread Chavdar Ivanov
Hi, Did a few quick tests under VirtualBox (for now). The 64 bit version did not play well, showing unresolved symbols and dropping to recovery console. The 32-bit version was OK, though: # uname -a SunOS unknown 5.11 schily130 i86pc i386 i86pc # ifconfig -a lo0: flags=2001000849 mtu 8232

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-23 Thread Ken Gunderson
P.S.; Joerg, did I miss it or are there no md5 hashes for this? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-23 Thread Stefan Parvu
thanks. I never tried previously the distro, but I will install this into one of my test machines. Is star part of the distro ? Hope so :) Would be nice to have a list somewhere what we get as plus on top of build130, all tools. Cheers, Stefan -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___

Re: [osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-23 Thread Ken Gunderson
Cool;) My test box was just about to get fresh install of FreeBSD-8.1-RELEASE, but I'll take Schillix for a quick test spin first. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] SchilliX-0.7.0 ready for testing

2010-07-23 Thread Joerg Schilling
Hi, today, I put SchilliX-0.7.0 out. ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schillix/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schillix/SchilliX-0.7.0.iso.bz2 ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schillix/README.install Changes since SchilliX-0.6.7: - Updated to use OpenSolaris Nevada Build 130 - Updated to use new Schily