Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread John Plocher
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 9:59 PM, me wrote: > The OGB should really think about this > > We did, almost 3 years ago Since Oracle owns the trademarks (OpenSolaris *and* Solaris...), they can do whatever they wish with them. See http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Main/trademark -John _

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread me
The obvious solution to this problem is to remove the "Open" from the name Solaris and we would not have an issue at all. This is the reason there are issues, keep the source code with the "OpenSolaris" name and the binary distro should be renamed Solaris Next pre-beta or something of the sort.

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Ian Collins
On 06/30/10 12:40 PM, Glynn Foster wrote: On 29/06/2010, at 9:22 PM, Matthias Pfützner wrote: You (Giovanni) wrote: I really do hope it it like you say. Nevertheless, I have t say it is very difficult to work this way. I am talking OpenSolaris (but many things apply to Solaris as well). 1)

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Ken Gunderson
+1 So we no longer do. The obvious solution to the new order. I know for certain that this has cost Oracle projects in the millions. Larry could care less, however, as long as Oracle can continue pulling in projects worth tens/hundreds of millions. Oracle's the new law in town. Cowboy up a

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Glynn Foster
On 29/06/2010, at 9:22 PM, Matthias Pfützner wrote: You (Giovanni) wrote: I really do hope it it like you say. Nevertheless, I have t say it is very difficult to work this way. I am talking OpenSolaris (but many things apply to Solaris as well). 1) No roadmap (do you have seen one recently)

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Ian Collins
On 06/29/10 09:22 PM, Matthias Pfützner wrote: You (Giovanni) wrote: I really do hope it it like you say. Nevertheless, I have t say it is very difficult to work this way. I am talking OpenSolaris (but many things apply to Solaris as well). 1) No roadmap (do you have seen one recently)

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Justin Fletcher
Den 29-06-2010 16:09, Mike DeMarco skrev: 3)svn_134 has still lots of bugs/issues (at least in the GUI): NIC configuration is a pain; better go via command line That's one of the reasons, why OSOL 2010.X isn't out yet... ;-) We have heard that bugs are getting fixed and thats why

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Matthias Pfützner
Jörg, You (Joerg Schilling) wrote: > Matthias Pfützner wrote: > > > Why should a PAID ORACLE employee develop drivers for hardware that will > > never > > show up in an Oracle product? They do it on their spare time, just like you > > and me! > > Why should a member of the community write soft

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
Matthias Pfützner wrote: > Why should a PAID ORACLE employee develop drivers for hardware that will never > show up in an Oracle product? They do it on their spare time, just like you > and me! Why should a member of the community write software that will never show up in Solaris because there i

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> Did you see today's announcement of the new systems? > > > alan Impressive enough, but probably not of interest to those worrying about when 2010.xx will be released. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> > > > Again, you're asking the wrong audience here... > Even > > if I (or any Sun/Oracle > > Employee) would know more, I wouldn't be allowed > to > > tell anything... > > Understood. Seems no-one is able to answer the > questions, This is what is leading to the downfall of > this development.

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Matthias Pfützner
Mike, You (Mike DeMarco) wrote: > > > > Again, you're asking the wrong audience here... Even > > if I (or any Sun/Oracle > > Employee) would know more, I wouldn't be allowed to > > tell anything... > > Understood. Seems no-one is able to answer the questions, This is what is > leading to the do

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Dmitry G. Kozhinov
>revolt against ORACLE and get OpenSolaris out of their hands I afraid that they *own* this project/product. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Mike DeMarco
> > Again, you're asking the wrong audience here... Even > if I (or any Sun/Oracle > Employee) would know more, I wouldn't be allowed to > tell anything... Understood. Seems no-one is able to answer the questions, This is what is leading to the downfall of this development. Without feedback `eve

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Dmitry G. Kozhinov
Sorry, meant to reply to mdemarco... -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Dmitry G. Kozhinov
It's summer. Programmers gone mountain-climbing ;) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Matthias Pfützner
Mike, You (Mike DeMarco) wrote: > > > 3)svn_134 has still lots of bugs/issues (at least > > in the GUI): NIC configuration is a pain; better go > > via command line > > > > That's one of the reasons, why OSOL 2010.X isn't out > > yet... ;-) > We have heard that bugs are getting fixed and thats wh

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Mike DeMarco
> > 3)svn_134 has still lots of bugs/issues (at least > in the GUI): NIC configuration is a pain; better go > via command line > > That's one of the reasons, why OSOL 2010.X isn't out > yet... ;-) We have heard that bugs are getting fixed and thats why 2010.X is not out yet. What is getting fixe

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Peter Jones
I am talking OpenSolaris (but many things apply to Solaris as well). 1) No roadmap (do you have seen one recently) 2) Support for "new" hardware is still in development branches (new SAS 2 controllers from LSI in svn_134) 3)svn_134 has still lots of bugs/issues (at least in the GUI): NIC configu

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Mike DeMarco
> Ahem: >http://genunix.org/dist/richlowe/README.txt > http://genunix.org/dist/richlowe/ > > Cheers, > -Shawn Thanks ;} -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Matthias Pfützner
You (Giovanni) wrote: > I really do hope it it like you say. > > Nevertheless, I have t say it is very difficult to work this way. > I am talking OpenSolaris (but many things apply to Solaris as well). > > 1) No roadmap (do you have seen one recently) Has been mentioned many times here: Oracle h

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-29 Thread Milan Jurik
Hi Giovanni, On 06/29/10 06:57, Giovanni wrote 4) some key components (i.e. ramdisk implementation) have severe performance issues (a ram disk running at 500MB/s on DDR3 1333 is slower than working on a striped physical disk set; same ramdisk on Linux on same hw runs at several GB/s) B

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-28 Thread Shawn Walker
On 06/28/10 09:57 PM, Giovanni wrote: I really do hope it it like you say. Nevertheless, I have t say it is very difficult to work this way. I am talking OpenSolaris (but many things apply to Solaris as well). 1) No roadmap (do you have seen one recently) 2) Support for "new" hardware is still

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-28 Thread Giovanni
I really do hope it it like you say. Nevertheless, I have t say it is very difficult to work this way. I am talking OpenSolaris (but many things apply to Solaris as well). 1) No roadmap (do you have seen one recently) 2) Support for "new" hardware is still in development branches (new SAS 2 cont

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-28 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- > discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Giovanni > > We were developing a solution based on OpenSolaris/ZFS > GIven the current silence, we are seriously evaluating the move to > Linux. There is no current silence.

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-28 Thread alan pae
Did you see today's announcement of the new systems? alan -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-28 Thread Chavdar Ivanov
To answer my own post, I just followed the above; it was disappointing from the point of view of this thread - OpenSolaris was never mentioned (Oracle Solaris was). Still waiting for any signs... Chavdar -- This message posted from opensolaris.org _

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-28 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> I agree with you. > > We were developing a solution based on > OpenSolaris/ZFS > GIven the current silence, we are seriously > evaluating the move to Linux. > > It is impossibile to develop anything relying on > something that is in the cloud: how to trust (and be > trusted by customers)? > >

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-28 Thread Giovanni
I agree with you. We were developing a solution based on OpenSolaris/ZFS GIven the current silence, we are seriously evaluating the move to Linux. It is impossibile to develop anything relying on something that is in the cloud: how to trust (and be trusted by customers)? I am afraid of this, bu

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-28 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
[...] > This is what you get when you register for the event > with a host running OpenSolaris: > Test Your System > > Operating System Failed We have detected that > your operating system does not meet the optimal > webcast specifications for listening to and/or > view

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-28 Thread Mike DeMarco
> Do you participate in a commodore or amiga discussion > group? If opensolaris > is dead or dying, why don't you be productive and go > discuss the new OS that > you're going to use instead moving forward. > > ___ > opensolaris-discuss mailing list > o

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-28 Thread Mike DeMarco
> > https://event.on24.com/eventRegistration/EventLobbySer > vlet?target=registration.jsp&eventid=214702&sessionid= > 1&key=292835FC0FC2AFAD25A9273BA0F489FF&sourcepage=regi > ster > > The blurb does not mention Opensolaris specifically, > but it is difficult to imagine not being discussed at > al

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-28 Thread Chavdar Ivanov
> > I remember the death of commodore and the Amiga. I > > was a avid user of the Amiga and hung on month > after > > month as promises were made but nothing ever came > of > > them. Open Solaris reminds me of that very painful > > time and it is a shame. > > A simple explanation of why the delay

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-28 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- > discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Mike DeMarco > > I remember the death of commodore and the Amiga. Do you participate in a commodore or amiga discussion group? If opensolaris is dead or dying, why don't you

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-28 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> I remember the death of commodore and the Amiga. I > was a avid user of the Amiga and hung on month after > month as promises were made but nothing ever came of > them. Open Solaris reminds me of that very painful > time and it is a shame. > A simple explanation of why the delay is not too > muc

Re: [osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-28 Thread Calum Benson
On 28 Jun 2010, at 13:40, Mike DeMarco wrote: > I remember the death of commodore and the Amiga. I was a avid user of the > Amiga and hung on month after month as promises were made but nothing ever > came of them. Open Solaris reminds me of that very painful time and it is a > shame. And yet

[osol-discuss] Open Solaris going the way of the Amiga

2010-06-28 Thread Mike DeMarco
I remember the death of commodore and the Amiga. I was a avid user of the Amiga and hung on month after month as promises were made but nothing ever came of them. Open Solaris reminds me of that very painful time and it is a shame. A simple explanation of why the delay is not too much to ask!