Re: [osol-discuss] thanks to all who helped choochoo with OSOL & message to Oracle/ Sun

2010-06-23 Thread bsd
Certifications are a waste of time and money. I see people who string together 10 or 12 of those stupid things which expire like clockwork. How many people even know what they stand for, even if they are in IT? Few. Money would be better spent on receiving a degree from an accredited college

Re: [osol-discuss] thanks to all who helped choochoo with OSOL & message to Oracle/ Sun

2010-06-23 Thread bsd
You're as stupid as he. What was his "argument" as you said: His persuasive discourse was to tell me how smart he is compared to all other IT staff? Or did you mean it was an oral disagreement? (But hard to have an verbal contention on a forum) Perhaps you meant a process of reasoning? Or w

Re: [osol-discuss] thanks to all who helped choochoo with OSOL & message to Oracle/ Sun

2010-06-23 Thread bsd
Feel better now after telling everyone how smart you are, and how dumb everyone else. Apparently you weren't smart enough to figure out what curriculum DeVry had before you started. Guess the other dumb IT staff didn't fall for it like you. But more to the point... what is your point? That yo

Re: [osol-discuss] New to OSOL: Move from Linux/Xen: BrandZ, xVM, virtualBox?

2010-06-21 Thread bsd
It depends on the type of virtualization one needs. If you only need the same kernel, then lightweight Solaris Zones, AIX WPARs, or FreeBSD Jails will suit the task at hand. However, if one needs to run different versions of the kernel or different versions of the OS (Solaris 8/9/10 or AIX 5.2

Re: [osol-discuss] New to OSOL: Move from Linux/Xen: BrandZ, xVM, virtualBox?

2010-06-19 Thread bsd
I don't know that I'd go with Xen since RHEL is moving away from it in favor of KVM. And KVM is getting support from IBM. Xen seems to be yesterday's Linux virtualization project, and with every new version of Linux, they throw the baby out with the bath water in favor of something new. At

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle torpedos HP's Solaris OEM contract

2010-06-19 Thread bsd
So. They had a developer working on "Polaris" too, and axed the project. Ever hear of the processor code-named the "Rock?" After years and millions, Sun also dropped that project. You don't think Oracle would drop an x86 project when they clearly want Solaris/SPARC; and couldn't care less

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle torpedos HP's Solaris OEM contract

2010-06-19 Thread bsd
Dropping OpenSolaris on the IBM mainframe was logical, because there would never be any market. However, to me, this clearly illustrates Oracle's intent to push Solaris on SPARC only, in the same way that IBM has AIX on POWER only. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___

Re: [osol-discuss] oracle's fourth quarter and fiscal year 2010 results Thursday, June 24th

2010-06-18 Thread bsd
I tried adding a PCI ID to no avail. I have problems with build 134 but not with 129. Don't get me wrong, I really like OpenSolaris and Solaris, but 1 year? Last I heard was it would not be 03, but rather 2010.?H designating first half. Well, I rather doubt it will be released in the next 10

Re: [osol-discuss] oracle's fourth quarter and fiscal year 2010 results Thursday, June 24th

2010-06-18 Thread bsd
I presume you think Oracle will present some grand OpenSolaris strategy and/or roadmap? Right now I've reinstalled build 129 on my server because I need virtual networking in the form of Crossbow along with VirtualBox. I can run VirtualBox on FreeBSD without any problems (and it performs bette

Re: [osol-discuss] thanks to all who helped choochoo with OSOL & message to Oracle/ Sun

2010-06-17 Thread bsd
And the Communist model is so much better. Capitalism leads to innovation. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] good news- opensolaris updated roadmap

2010-06-14 Thread bsd
There have been occasions where a FreeBSD RELEASE is not on time, but they typically have RC1, RC2, etc., until the final RELEASE. Such as the case with FreeBSD 8.0. I believe there was only to be RC1 and RC2, but there were actually four release candidates. As with the case of a release taki

Re: [osol-discuss] good news- opensolaris updated roadmap

2010-06-14 Thread bsd
You're right. Someone will still be waiting after 120 days for customer service to come back and help them. Why they continue to wait, who knows? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@open

Re: [osol-discuss] good news- opensolaris updated roadmap

2010-06-13 Thread bsd
As indicated, this has been published before. Myself, I will keep checking for the new release IF it happens and give it a try. Otherwise, I've moved on. I can only think those who keep waiting and waiting for the next release are those who were put on hold by customer service 90 days ago. Th

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-06 Thread bsd
This is taken from IBM to describe the differences: "The system WPAR is much closer to a complete version of AIX. The system WPAR has its own dedicated, completely writable filesystems along with its own inetd and cron. Application WPARs are real, lightweight versions of virtualized OS environ

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-05 Thread bsd
Yes, the application zone still needs the same files as a system zone, however, the application zone will be created to run a process, and when the process is finished it is destroyed. If you did a list of wpar's after the application zone was run, it wouldn't be listed. A very simplistic exam

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-05 Thread bsd
My first preference for a UNIX operating system is AIX (as I'm sure anyone can figure that out by now), followed by Solaris/OpenSolaris. I'm just disgruntled by Oracle. Next on my list would be FreeBSD/OpenBSD (I've never used NetBSD). I'd prefer to never touch Linux if I didn't have to, but

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-04 Thread bsd
Today I had to listen to Red Hat drone on about what is forthcoming in RHEL6. Throughout I kept yawning and thinking, "I've done that in AIX since 2001" or "They're only now getting that?" Really, what is the draw to Linux? It reminds me of a Fisher-Price or Playskool operating system. How c

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-03 Thread bsd
Part of AIX's strength is that is runs on dedicated hardware, so what you ask means nothing. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-03 Thread bsd
IBM has released AIX 6.1 with three different price levels: express edition, standard edition, and enterprise edition. The express edition costs $300 per core. Three hundred per core with the features available, GLVM, KSPK, Kernel Recovery, etc.; it is more bang-for-the-buck than you would ge

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-03 Thread bsd
"Matrurity of Linux" That is a funny mix of words, and certainly not how I would conjoin them. Consider SLES9 was released only a few years ago, yet with an ext3 filessytem you cannot grow it online! In AIX 3.2, circa 1995, you could grow a filesystem online. A supposedly modern operating sy

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-06-01 Thread bsd
The market for supercomputers is vastly different than the commercial market. Even though Linux is used on supercomputers, it isn't an off-the-shelf version that companies purchase from Red Hat or Novell to run commercial applications. There is also truth in what Octave mentioned in the supply

Re: [osol-discuss] SUN not doing well under Oracle.

2010-05-31 Thread bsd
AIX and the Performance Diagnostic Tool. Workload Manager. LoadBalancer. IBM is making a profit from POWER/AIX, I don't know why you think they'd abandon it for Intel/Linux. Linux isn't the be all of operating systems some think it is. I'd take AIX over Linux any day, an

Re: [osol-discuss] Dev repository last catalog update is March 6, 2010?

2010-05-29 Thread bsd
I don't know, otherwise I wouldn't have asked. I know that build 134 was to be frozen and the next release cut from that. Even though the release hasn't been distributed, I didn't know that all development has stopped and there aren't any updates to dev. So all you can get right now is build 1

[osol-discuss] Dev repository last catalog update is March 6, 2010?

2010-05-29 Thread bsd
If there is active development of OpenSolaris, why does the dev repository catalog have a last update of March 6, 2010? I'm having trouble with building VirtualBox on FreeBSD, so I wanted to install build 129, then update to the lastest dev build. However, if the latest dev build is from March

Re: [osol-discuss] Larry Ellison takes on challenge in Sun

2010-05-26 Thread bsd
"Who cares about HP-UX or IBM AIX?" Another Linux dolt spouting nonsense. Linux doesn't even compare to AIX in any aspect. The cost-saving realization of Linux is a pipe dream. Open source Xen that Linux uses is not even close to DLPARs. Red Hat Cluster Suite or Linux heartbeat is a joke com

Re: [osol-discuss] OSOL2010.03

2010-05-18 Thread bsd
To disable your touchpad: # modinfo | grep mouse # vi /etc/system (and include the following line): exclude: mouse8042 Where mouse8042 is returned from modinfo. Also: # pfexec modunload -i 113 (where 113 is the 1st column from modinfo) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Thanks for the memories

2010-05-17 Thread bsd
As for OpenSolaris, you may as well stick a fork in it. I strongly believe in my analogy of a customer waiting to be helped at a store and is told to wait, time goes by with no help and the customer again asks. Again the help ignores the customer who continues to wait, continually asking for h

Re: [osol-discuss] Garrett D'Amore joins Nexenta. if needed, can nexenta become the fork?

2010-05-16 Thread bsd
Don't apologize if you feel or think a certain way. Just because most on here believe you can only have an opinion that matches theirs, doesn't mean you can't offer up your own. I've said it before, that I personally don't know why Oracle would spend millions developing Solaris 10 and spend mi

Re: [osol-discuss] OK, please stop now. Was Recent FUD from various camps ...

2010-05-13 Thread bsd
Uh. By starting another thread on the subject, aren't you contributing to keeping it alive? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Recent FUD from various camps on this mailinglist.

2010-05-13 Thread bsd
Oh I see, so you too overlook the standup comic's bashing of Apple while he tries to make himself seem he is above negative talk?!? He must be a walking contradiction. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list ope

Re: [osol-discuss] Recent FUD from various camps on this mailinglist.

2010-05-12 Thread bsd
Hilarious. This poster denigrates OS X (and Apple) while at the same time wants everyone to think he's above that. You're a riot dude. Are you a comic? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discu

Re: [osol-discuss] Someone please tell me I'm wrong

2010-05-09 Thread bsd
Oracle has already stated explicitly there are some technologies in Solaris 10 that will not be in OpenSolaris. This indicates they are developing Solaris 10 independently of OpenSolairs, and given that OpenSolaris isn't a revenue generator, well, you make your own conclusions -- This mes

Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris

2010-05-05 Thread bsd
I didn't mention the Linux vendor, but the fact is vendors are saying this to customers who otherwise might have been thinking of OpenSolaris. Of course it isn't fact and it is their opinion, but customers are hearing it. And Oracle stays silent. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___

Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris

2010-05-05 Thread bsd
This is too funny. I had Red Hat people in a meeting say that OpenSolaris is dead. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris

2010-05-04 Thread bsd
Well that really isn't in the source tree is it? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris

2010-05-04 Thread bsd
OpenBSD is blob free. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris

2010-05-03 Thread bsd
I'll wait for the hate messages after I post this. I personally don't get the Solaris/OpenSolaris distributions. Sure, I understand when Sun said that OpenSolaris was open source (although most of it is released under binary license agreements), and that OpenSolaris is "supposed" to be the RHE

Re: [osol-discuss] Review of OpenSolaris at Desktop Linux Reviews

2010-04-22 Thread bsd
I didn't say there weren't significant changes since 2.0 and the release of SVR4, but the article implies that "significant changes" occurred to Solaris after 1994 when he says Sun bought the SVR4 codebase. That is not an accurate statement, given the timeline of Solaris development and release

Re: [osol-discuss] Review of OpenSolaris at Desktop Linux Reviews

2010-04-22 Thread bsd
The way he states it in his article is that Sun made significant changes after buying SVR4, which is incorrect, because changes to SVR4 were made after Solaris was open sourced. Significant changes were made when SVR4 was developed, not after. Solaris 2.0 was developed from SVR4. -- This mess

Re: [osol-discuss] Review of OpenSolaris at Desktop Linux Reviews

2010-04-22 Thread bsd
Quoted from your article: "OpenSolaris is derived from the Unix System V Release 4 codebase, with significant modifications made by Sun since it bought the rights to that code in 1994." I wasn't aware that Sun bought the rights to SVR4, released in 1990, because it was a joint project between U

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin

2010-04-21 Thread bsd
I merely posted a link to an article and refrained from saying anything about Oracle. If I dared to say anyting about what I think about what Oracle has done so far regarding Solaris 10, patches, the plugin, and what I think they'll do with OpenSolaris, then I'd have pitchforks thrown at me. T

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin

2010-04-21 Thread bsd
Relevance? The plugin used to be free, just like Solais 10 and patches. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] Oracle charging for ODF plugin

2010-04-21 Thread bsd
http://www.osnews.com/story/23181/Oracle_Starts_Charging_90_USD_Per_User_for_ODF_Plugin Solaris 10 90-day evaluation No security patch downloads for free ODF plugin $90 (100 min) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailin

Re: [osol-discuss] Firefox 3.5.5 with SXCE can't load page

2010-04-14 Thread bsd
Greatly appreciated! Thanks! -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Firefox 3.5.5 with SXCE can't load page

2010-04-14 Thread bsd
I'm not sure where the problem lies, but: I am able to load www.namecheap.com with OpenSolaris 2009.06/b134, FreeBSD 7.2/8.0, OpenBSD 4.5/4.6/-current. I am unable to load the page using OpenSolaris b129 or SXCE b130. Downloaded Firefox 3.6 from sunfreeware.com/mozilla.html and installed it o

Re: [osol-discuss] Dual monitors --- where is xorg.conf?

2010-04-13 Thread bsd
This is the Xorg log file from b134. After it hung I rebooted into b129 and haven't gone back yet. $ pfexec beadm mount opensolaris-1 /mnt $ cat /mnt/var/log/Xorg.0.log X.Org X Server 1.7.4 Release Date: 2010-01-08 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: SunOS 5.11 i86pc Curr

Re: [osol-discuss] Dual monitors --- where is xorg.conf?

2010-04-13 Thread bsd
When I disabled gdm is blanked my screen and that was it :) After I rebooted I removed /tmp/X0-lock and ran Xorg -configure which created my file. When I added the line 'Virtual 3286 1080' in the Subsection of display for 24. The system hung when I rebooted. I then booted into the old BE and

Re: [osol-discuss] Firefox 3.5.5 with SXCE can't load page

2010-04-13 Thread bsd
Great Thank you -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Dual monitors --- where is xorg.conf?

2010-04-13 Thread bsd
Thanks for your replies. I've searched for ".xorg.conf" and "xorg.conf" but they don't exist. When I ran "X -configure" it errors because the display is already started. I prefer X configure the hardware sections instead of manually doing it, so how do I drop to a command line when the system

[osol-discuss] Firefox 3.5.5 with SXCE can't load page

2010-04-12 Thread bsd
SXCE build 130 which is the last build produced has all that I want as far as software like Bluefish. I've tried to compile Bluefish on OpenSolaris b134 but received errors, so I thought of SXCE and installed. There is one problem though and that is I cannot load www.namecheap.com and it event

Re: [osol-discuss] Dual monitors --- where is xorg.conf?

2010-04-12 Thread bsd
I searched for xorg.conf system-wide but it wasn't found. I have a Toshiba Satellite L505D-S5983 laptop but it isn't nvidia. Using the preferences>display to set it. I prefer the external to be to the left of the LVDS (laptop) display, but get that message. I want two screens so I have more

[osol-discuss] Dual monitors --- where is xorg.conf?

2010-04-12 Thread bsd
. Using xrandr in BSD I can set Virtual in xorg.conf which fixes the problem. I saw there was bug for this same problem in something like build 121 but I'd think it's resolved by now. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensol

Re: [osol-discuss] Any news about 2010.3?

2010-04-07 Thread bsd
The problems you identified were spot on and your solutions worked perfectly! Thank you! -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Any news about 2010.3?

2010-04-07 Thread bsd
When using debug I noticed the problem that John Martin described above which is: /kernel/misc/amd64/pci_autoconfig: undefined symbol 'pcie_get_rc_dip' WARNING: mod_load: cannot load module 'pci_autoconfig' I used the exact steps he published and am working now in b134! Thank you! -- This messa

Re: [osol-discuss] Any news about 2010.3?

2010-04-07 Thread bsd
Peace pipe accepted. :-) I set 'console=text' but it still loops. I have also set 'acpi-user-options=2' because otherwise I get a kernel panic. Anything after b129 is problematic for some reason. It's a Toshiba L505D-S5983. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org _

Re: [osol-discuss] Any news about 2010.3?

2010-04-07 Thread bsd
Nice there was no reprimand for the idiot who keeps saying BULLSHIT. So, your comments are BULLSHIT. Now, I bet I get some comments telling me my language is inappropriate, although that never happened to the other BULLSHITTER. BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT -- This message posted from opensolaris

Re: [osol-discuss] Any news about 2010.3?

2010-04-07 Thread bsd
Thank you. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Any news about 2010.3?

2010-04-07 Thread bsd
You people are really uptight and defensive about OpenSolaris and any talk about negative intentions Oracle may have towards it. I stand by my position about x86/Sparc, it was developed for x86 laptops (OpenSolaris is like PC-BSD), because who would develop a data center operating system

Re: [osol-discuss] Any news about 2010.3?

2010-04-07 Thread bsd
Hmmm. I guess it is who you are and if your opinions are in line with Oracle/OpenSolaris because the previous post seems to be against the agreement in joining and nothing has been said to them? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensola

Re: [osol-discuss] Any news about 2010.3? (Please don't feed the troll)

2010-04-06 Thread bsd
I'm entitled to share my thoughts, especially since I've used OpenSolaris from its inception through build 129; but it seems you're only accepting of opinions that align with your own? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss

Re: [osol-discuss] Any news about 2010.3?

2010-04-06 Thread bsd
You can read many things into words and statements, but if you read carefully how Oracle responds to questions about Solaris and OpenSolaris, you can only wonder what will happen once the dust settles. "Oracle is investing more in Solaris than Sun did prior to the acquisition, and will continue

Re: [osol-discuss] Any news about 2010.3?

2010-04-05 Thread bsd
If it's the definition you're looking for, it is "independent software vendor." -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] A statement for defending OpenSolaris

2010-03-31 Thread bsd
If the quote you printed is accurate "...some features of its Oracle Solaris will not appear in OpenSolaris..." is right, then don't you have it wrong when you say that was Sun's position? I thought OpenSolaris was the development branch of Solaris, and new technologies, such as Crossbow, may n

Re: [osol-discuss] An idea for spreading the word

2010-03-30 Thread bsd
AIX has had the System Resource Controller (srcmstr) probably since it came into being (at least since I've used AIX from 4.x forward) and SMF is similar to srcmstr. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opens

Re: [osol-discuss] An idea for spreading the word

2010-03-30 Thread bsd
Apparently you can't read that I used OpenSolaris since its inception, until recently. It doesn't mean since I don't currently use it that I can't and don't follow the project. Also, you're wrong on the zealots. That's Linux folk. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org __

Re: [osol-discuss] An idea for spreading the word

2010-03-30 Thread bsd
I used OpenSolaris from the beginning until build 129. After that I had problems so I decided not to pursue OpenSolaris any longer. I was an advocate until I dropped it. I do with you luck though. There are nice things in it that would serve people well. -- This message posted from opensolar

Re: [osol-discuss] A statement for defending OpenSolaris

2010-03-30 Thread bsd
Out of curiosity, since OpenSolaris is mostly open binary licenses and not source code, what would happen if Oracle rescinded those licenses? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolari

Re: [osol-discuss] An idea for spreading the word

2010-03-30 Thread bsd
Are you going to tell them to use 2009.06 since everything after that is broken? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-28 Thread bsd
ke to have, although I can do without. It is also interesting that VirtualBox is just as fast on FreeBSD as OpenSolaris, although it doesn't consume as much resources like memory and cpu. I used to use OpenSolaris but too many problems sent me back to BSD. It might work for some, but I&#x

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-28 Thread bsd
I almost built my infrastructure on OpenSolaris and Solaris but am glad I decided to opt for FreeBSD and OpenBSD instead. There are way too many problems with OpenSolaris anymore that it wasn't reliable. Now throw in the 90 day evaluation and then buy costly support is icing on the cake. It

Re: [osol-discuss] Any news about 2010.3?

2010-03-28 Thread bsd
I'm glad I dropped OpenSolaris quite some time ago. I almost built my infrastructure on OpenSolaris but ultimately decided to use OpenBSD and FreeBSD and am glad I didn't waste any more time on OpenSolaris. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org