Re: [osol-discuss] [illumos-Discuss] gdamore wishes he knew what would motivate more developers to work on illumos bugs....

2010-12-02 Thread Simon Phipps
On Dec 2, 2010, at 16:06, Gleb Kursou wrote: > On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Gert M. wrote: > > My tone is that of a wakeup call for Garrett. He needs one. Although I have no idea who you are or what makes you think you are entitled to express your opinion in this place (Google lacks detail

Re: [osol-discuss] now seems official- OpenSolaris name retired

2010-09-22 Thread Simon Phipps
On Sep 22, 2010, at 10:24, Dmitry G. Kozhinov wrote: >> So perhaps Illumos/OpenIndiana will become the OurDelta or MariaDB >> equivalent of Oracle Solaris and outshine its predecessor. :) > > I am very doubtful about this. Oracle states > (http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/173478) that

Re: [osol-discuss] glibc,etc now free - thanks oracle

2010-08-27 Thread Simon Phipps
ve been put under the BSD license in spring >> 2009. >> > > You should read the post, which mentions: "in February 2009, Simon > told the crowd at FOSDEM that Sun was going to "change the license to > Sun's copyrights in the RPC code to a standard

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle sues Google over Java!

2010-08-17 Thread Simon Phipps
On Aug 17, 2010, at 13:55, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > it is not readily available today, ... apart from in every Linux distribution where it appears as "IcedTea". S. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle sues Google over Java!

2010-08-16 Thread Simon Phipps
On Aug 16, 2010, at 23:05, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > Java is not GPL. It's not even open source. Sun's implementation of Java is available in an open source form known as "OpenJDK", licensed under GPLv2. Had Googled used that instead of Apache harmony and Dalvik they would have received bo

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express

2010-08-16 Thread Simon Phipps
On Aug 16, 2010, at 15:00, Paul Gress wrote: > On 08/16/10 09:55 AM, Ignacio Marambio Catán wrote: >> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA256 >> >> On 8/16/2010 10:34 AM, Paul Gress wrote: >> >>> On 08/16/10 03:36 AM, Nikola M. wrote: >>> I would like it to be that w

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris cancelled, to be replaced with Solaris 11 Express

2010-08-15 Thread Simon Phipps
On Aug 16, 2010, at 00:13, Jonathan Edwards wrote: >> All companies who were working with >> OpenSolaris/Solaris are invited to >> join this movement and liberate OpenSolaris. > > but how do we liberate the source from the CDDL? > that still seems like it could be a bit of a problem > if the

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-13 Thread Simon Phipps
On Aug 13, 2010, at 16:39, Paul Gress wrote: > On 08/13/10 06:35 AM, andrew wrote: >> >>> >> I don't expect to ever see binaries for the OpenSolaris distribution again. >> The most I think we can expect is a preview of Solaris 11 along the lines of >> the old "Solaris Express" programme. I

Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle shuts down open source test servers

2010-07-30 Thread Simon Phipps
On Jul 30, 2010, at 16:09, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > If you "jump ship" to a community > OS, aren't you leaving behind all the contributions that are made by the > paid employees? No, that's not a given. It is entirely possible to run a downstream community that maintains a derivative that in

Re: [osol-discuss] warning about mail on this list

2010-07-12 Thread Simon Phipps
On Jul 12, 2010, at 16:50, Jim Grisanzio wrote: > As a result of the language used in some of these latest threads, I am > removing some people from this list. Thanks, Jim, that's helpful, appropriate and proportionate. S. ___ opensolaris-discuss

Re: [osol-discuss] The nearest thing to (forthcoming) news

2010-07-09 Thread Simon Phipps
On Jul 9, 2010, at 10:49, Chris Ridd wrote: > > On 9 Jul 2010, at 03:39, John Plocher wrote: > >> It might be worth going just to find out who the current "head of >> Oracle Solaris development" really is; it'll certainly be more than >> the OGB has been able to find out all year... >> >> Migh

Re: [osol-discuss] Move the network related configuration file on Solaris10 but not go into effect

2010-06-29 Thread Simon
Really ? if so, I think there would be a big bug,anyone else can help confirm this ? Thanks. Simon On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:10 AM, John Plocher wrote: > Hot damn - a thread that is actually related to OpenSolaris code !!! :-) > > Given the difficulties in enumerating all the

[osol-discuss] Move the network related configuration file on Solaris10 but not go into effect

2010-06-29 Thread Simon Yuan
ed on ce0 interface),why ? The similar issue wouldn't appear on Solaris 9. Thanks. Regards, Simon ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Any news about 2010.3?

2010-04-05 Thread Simon Phipps
On Apr 5, 2010, at 14:19, Matthias Pfützner wrote: > Therefore the idea > to opensource the software has never been intended to create additional > revenue from it, but to generate mind-share with the developer community, so > that in FUTURE more ISVs, or big software-companies or even smaller mi

Re: [osol-discuss] Any news about 2010.3?

2010-04-04 Thread Simon Phipps
On Apr 4, 2010, at 21:46, James Mansion wrote: > Simon Phipps wrote: >> It's been an interesting "does he take sugar" experience watching the >> conversation about me; I thought I'd interject with a link to a story that >> has correct information: &g

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Proposal: OGB and Oracle communications for communities

2010-04-04 Thread Simon Phipps
[I've included opensolaris-discuss@ for this message, but please direct follow-up only to ogb-disc...@] On Apr 4, 2010, at 20:17, HeCSa wrote: > Hi! > Reading several threads about the lack of information regarding what's going > on with Oracle and their relation and initiatives with the commun

Re: [osol-discuss] Any news about 2010.3?

2010-04-04 Thread Simon Phipps
It's been an interesting "does he take sugar" experience watching the conversation about me; I thought I'd interject with a link to a story that has correct information: http://www.infoworld.com/d/adventures-in-it/former-sun-open-source-officer-joins-osi-board-109 As for Oracle: Oracle are fa

Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 10 - no longer free

2010-03-31 Thread Simon Phipps
On Mar 31, 2010, at 13:34, Mike DeMarco wrote: > Two more items of interest have just surfaced: > > Oracle has pulled all engineers from wonderland project. That's hardly news. Wonderland was clearly headed for the door even pre-ORCA and the people working on it went off immediately CIC happen

Re: [osol-discuss] An idea for helping OpenSolaris survive

2010-02-23 Thread Simon Phipps
On Feb 23, 2010, at 14:03, Joerg Schilling wrote: Alan Coopersmith wrote: Matthew Nawrocki wrote: Should we petition Oracle to open source any remaining proprietary bits and then just give it away? Sun already open sourced pretty much everything it could (with a few exceptions, mostly

Re: [osol-discuss] SXCE b129: can't boot from SATA

2009-12-30 Thread jf simon
Hi, Martin Bochnig wrote: > On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 12:44 AM, Martin Bochnig wrote: >> hi, >> >> is SUNWefc (or equivalent) installed? > > > Or SUNWckr? > > One or both of those packages seem to be missing on your config. > > i have installed opensolaris from the SXCE DVD single image ISO a

[osol-discuss] SXCE b129: can't boot from SATA

2009-12-29 Thread jf simon
hi i have installed opensolaris sxce b129 on my system (ultraSparc T2). the install from DVD to sata disk went well. but upon reboot from the SATA disk, i get the following panic (plse see below). note that i have no problem with solaris 10. thx for any help on this issue, rgds -jfs Boot devi

Re: [osol-discuss] What is the file (osol-0906-111a-x86.usb) for?

2009-05-09 Thread Simon Phipps
On May 9, 2009, at 06:58, Cooky Hex wrote: Hello everyone! I just joined the OpenSolaris family. How are you guys doing? :) I found a file named "osol-0906-111a-x86.usb " at http://www.genunix.org but have no idea what to do wit it. Actually I do want to a create OpenSolaris Live USB to boot f

[osol-discuss] opensolaris 2008.11 cdrom0 problem on VMware

2009-03-17 Thread Simon Hardy-Francis
So I installed opensolaris 2008.11 on VMware Workstation 6.5.1 -- as many people have blogged about. Problem is when I try to use the cdrom... it just doesn't seem to work. All I have is two broken links: /cdrom/cdrom0 -> ./opensolaris /cdrom/opensolaris -> /media/OpenSolaris Any ideas how to deb

Re: [osol-discuss] problem installing: 2008.11 on Acer AM5640

2009-03-17 Thread Simon
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Simon wrote: > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Martin Bochnig wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 4:02 AM, Simon Hardy-Francis >> wrote: >>> So I downloaded the CD and installed it perfectly on a VMware guest; I got >>> the l

Re: [osol-discuss] problem installing: 2008.11 on Acer AM5640

2009-03-17 Thread Simon
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Martin Bochnig wrote: > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 4:02 AM, Simon Hardy-Francis > wrote: >> So I downloaded the CD and installed it perfectly on a VMware guest; I got >> the live CD mode and then I clicked on the install icon and everything just

[osol-discuss] problem installing: 2008.11 on Acer AM5640

2009-03-16 Thread Simon Hardy-Francis
So I downloaded the CD and installed it perfectly on a VMware guest; I got the live CD mode and then I clicked on the install icon and everything just worked. Then I tried to install natively on an Acer AM5640 PC. The CD booted as expected but instead of going into the live CD GUI then I get the

Re: [osol-discuss] Opensolaris Bible: Buy it!

2009-03-11 Thread Simon Phipps
If people in the USA use the OpenSolaris Lending Project store[1] to buy it (or use the Project's Amazon link[2]), the Project[3] will get credit from Amazon that can then be applied at Kiva[4]. [1] http://astore.amazon.com/opensolaris-20 [2] http://www.amazon.com/?tag=opensolaris-20 [3] http

Re: [osol-discuss] Google Summer of Code

2009-03-02 Thread Simon Phipps
On Mar 2, 2009, at 20:48, Joerg Schilling wrote: do you know the reason for that? I do, yes. It was in retaliation for a dispute between Sun and Apache. S. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Google Summer of Code

2009-03-02 Thread Simon Phipps
On Mar 2, 2009, at 18:54, John Sonnenschein wrote: Hey everyone. Does anyone know if we're putting together a bid for GSoC this year? Applications open on the 9th. I'd be interested in helping out by mentoring or just helping put together the bid. Hi John, Google blocked all Sun-related

Re: [osol-discuss] my t41 with 512 mb ram dosen't use swap space

2008-08-28 Thread Simon Mages
So i hope this is enough: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ vmstat 5 kthr memorypagedisk faults cpu r b w swap free re mf pi po fr de sr cd s0 -- -- in sy cs us sy id 0 0 0 2063232 24720 4 31 0 0 0 0 16 1 -1 0 0 283 3147 851 53 3 44 0 0 0 2

Re: [osol-discuss] my t41 with 512 mb ram dosen't use swap space

2008-08-28 Thread Simon Mages
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ vmstat 5 kthr memorypagedisk faults cpu r b w swap free re mf pi po fr de sr cd s0 -- -- in sy cs us sy id 0 0 0 2063232 24720 4 31 0 0 0 0 16 1 -1 0 0 283 3147 851 53 3 44 0 0 0 2059952 18244 2 7 0 0

Re: [osol-discuss] my t41 with 512 mb ram dosen't use swap space

2008-08-28 Thread Simon Mages
ok, vmstat 5 says i have 2gb off swap space and 18mb of this are unused or free. Is this swap stored in the swap partition of "swap -l"? If yes why dose "swap -l" show me that it is empty? And which app usese 2gb of swap an my whole ram? This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] my t41 with 512 mb ram dosen't use swap space

2008-08-28 Thread Simon Mages
In the standart Installation, the installer Created a swap partition of 2gb. swap -lh swapfile -> /dev/dsk/c4d0s1 dev -> 102,1 swaplo -> 4k blocks -> 2,0G free -> 2,0G This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list ope

[osol-discuss] my t41 with 512 mb ram dosen't use swap space

2008-08-28 Thread Simon Mages
Hallo, I installed OpenSolaris 2008.05 on my ThinkpadT41 with 512mb of ram and 1,6 ghz intel centrino. I started gnome and added the system monitor in my panel. I couldn't belief tat my ram is full and solaris doesn't use any swap space. I started many gui app's, the machine slows down but it

[osol-discuss] new bootable DVD layout and mkisofs

2008-08-22 Thread jean-francois simon
hi, could someone plse tell me what are the arguments of the "-B" flag in this mkisofs invokation someone posted in this forum last month? should it be used at all? mkisofs is -G .../hsfs.bootblock -B ... -l -ldots -R -N -D -V SOL_11_SPARC -o .../solaris_1.iso .../solaris_1.product i am conf

Re: [osol-discuss] installing opensolaris on a sunblade 1500

2008-08-08 Thread jean-francois simon
James Carlson wrote: > jean-francois simon writes: >> can i install opensolaris on a sparc system? (ultraIII+ system)? >> how to i build the ISOs? > > Get a copy of Solaris Express Community Edition (SX:CE). There are > links on this page: > > http://opensola

[osol-discuss] installing opensolaris on a sunblade 1500

2008-08-07 Thread jean-francois simon
hi, can i install opensolaris on a sparc system? (ultraIII+ system)? how to i build the ISOs? thx a lot -jfs This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] SXCE versus 2008.05 etc

2008-05-09 Thread Simon Breden
What's the situation regarding SXCE and the new 2008.05 and future releases? My understanding from what I've seen is that SXCE is a release made approximately every 2 weeks, and is based on the Nevada project. Again, my understanding of the 2008.05 release is that: 1. this will be released only

[osol-discuss] This user is not a leader of any "communitites"

2008-05-09 Thread Simon Breden
BTW, I just saw this on my profile page today: "This user is not a leader of any communitites." Is the word "communitites" derived from "community" and "tights", tights for the use of the community -- i.e. everybody? Looks like an amusing typo to me, and it's probably the same for everybody's

[osol-discuss] sendmail[474]: [ID 702911 mail.crit] My unqualified host name

2008-04-28 Thread Simon Breden
.2+Sun): [EMAIL PROTECTED]:15:00 Simon == Blog: http://breden.org.uk ZFS articles: http://breden.org.uk/2008/03/02/a-home-fileserver-using-zfs/ == This message posted from

[osol-discuss] About the disk partition metrics on Solaris

2008-04-26 Thread Simon
cal same(100g),but the actual available size is not same,why ? - For EMC CX700 LUN,after label,it was partitioned by OS with 51200 cylinders,but as for HDS AMS100 LUN,it's 5461 cylinders,what make the difference ? Thanks. Rgds, Simon ___ ope

Re: [osol-discuss] B85 suspend and resume: status?

2008-04-06 Thread Simon Breden
Yes, and with 'uadmin' I think it had no effect. Trouble is, I tried lots of things and nothing seemed to work, and it's hard to remember all the different combinations of things tried :( This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-disc

Re: [osol-discuss] B85 suspend and resume: status?

2008-04-06 Thread Simon Breden
I notice that here: http://blogs.sun.com/randyf/entry/testing_suspend_and_resume_for it says that currently only x86 systems are supported -- hopefully this covers AMD64 dual core processors. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-

Re: [osol-discuss] B85 suspend and resume: status?

2008-04-06 Thread Simon Breden
Hi Nacho, according to Randy Fishel, the multiple core bug was fixed in b82 -- see here: http://blogs.sun.com/randyf/entry/solaris_suspend_and_resume_how I'm not sure what the bug id was though. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolar

Re: [osol-discuss] B85 suspend and resume: status?

2008-04-06 Thread Simon Breden
Thanks Andrew, I read that page already from Randy and tried issuing a 'uadmin 3 21' to check if suspend to RAM is supported and it returned to the command line immediately with no message, so it looks good I think. I have 'S3 suspend to RAM' enabled in my motherboard's BIOS. However, as expecte

[osol-discuss] B85 suspend and resume: status?

2008-04-06 Thread Simon Breden
ment -- is that a bad omen? I've described the steps I took here in more detail, if anyone else wants to try to see if suspend/resume works with their hardware: http://breden.org.uk/2008/04/05/home-fileserver-suspend/ Thanks in advance. Simon This message posted from

Re: [osol-discuss] Callgraph

2008-04-05 Thread Alexander Simon
If you want to sources of "Call graph" plugin for NetBeans you should get hg sources for repository: http://hg.netbeans.org/main/contrib/ Module in the folder: cnd.callgraph See in netbeans "how to download sources": http://www.netbeans.org/community/sources/ This message posted from opensolar

Re: [osol-discuss] B85 CIFS issues

2008-03-29 Thread Simon Breden
y have side effects) # svcs | grep samba # When I try to access the share from the mac using autofs, I see the following message in /var/adm/messages: Mar 27 20:38:48 solarisbox smbd[667]: [ID 653746 daemon.notice] SmbLogon[WORKGROUP\simon]: NO_SUCH_USER So, something changed? See here: h

Re: [osol-discuss] VirtualBox

2008-02-14 Thread Simon Phipps
On Feb 14, 2008, at 14:23, Moinak Ghosh wrote: > Joerg Schilling wrote: >> Moinak Ghosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> However, it should be noted that the Solaris port of VirtualBox is only a beta, and it came out, AFAIK, only yesterday. I am sure there are many loose ends

Re: [osol-discuss] Support Open Solaris in IDE

2008-01-28 Thread Alexander Simon
You can try it now! I prepared a set of IDE projects for build 77 of Open Solaris. You can download it by the following link: http://osproject.sundemo.ru/ What's your opinion? Any feedback is highly appreciated. This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Support Open Solaris in IDE

2008-01-16 Thread Alexander Simon
>What kind of special support do you think is needed for OpenSolaris ? This is a list of some lacks of functionality: - C/C++ project of all OS sources requires at least 1.3Gb of heap memory. It exceeds a standard NB memory requirements. - Standard NB tree and list cannot show a long list (OS cont

[osol-discuss] Support Open Solaris in IDE

2008-01-15 Thread Alexander Simon
Hello, I develop C/C++ IDE functionality for Netbeans and Sun Studio. I'd like to add Open Solaris support to the IDE. I'd like to know your needs and opinions in this respect. First, is there any interest in IDE at all? If yes, what are your typical needs? (For example: "I mostly edit, build

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Nameclash on svn_77 because Sun is ignoring PSARC discussions

2007-12-19 Thread Simon Phipps
On Dec 19, 2007, at 15:45, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Once it has been verified that it is possible to contribute to > OpenSolaris > I am happy to do so but please note that: Do you have reasons to believe this is not the case? I understood the request-sponsor process to be working reasonably

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Simon Phipps
On Nov 30, 2007, at 15:28, Shawn Walker wrote: > On Nov 30, 2007 9:25 AM, Simon Phipps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On Nov 30, 2007, at 15:18, Shawn Walker wrote: >> >>> I often hear the excuse that "we're still learning" -- but

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Simon Phipps
On Nov 30, 2007, at 15:18, Shawn Walker wrote: > I often hear the excuse that "we're still learning" -- but some things > are plain ole' "common sense." Sadly "common sense" isn't that common, nor is there universal agreement what it means. S. ___

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Simon Phipps
to try to get to the matter as soon as I can. It would have helped greatly if Neil et al had written to [EMAIL PROTECTED] first rather than making the initial public salvo. > > Thank you Simon, for taking the time to verify and accurately report > on the situation using the appropriat

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Simon Phipps
On Nov 30, 2007, at 14:41, Shawn Walker wrote: > It's hard not to focus on Sun when their management team's inability > to clearly communicate both inside and outside of their company > continues to make the communities they participate in look like > nothing more than a "pr move" and leads to de

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Simon Phipps
On Nov 30, 2007, at 13:29, UNIX admin wrote: >> I've been investigating. Take a look at >> http://tinyurl.com/ys5hf3 - >> this was the change Neil et al made to the >> governance. > > Dear Mr. Phipps, I can see the nicely colored changes, but without > knowing who made which change, even the pr

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Simon Phipps
On Nov 30, 2007, at 11:20, UNIX admin wrote: > Hi Jim, > > I don't know about Shawn, but I'll write for myself: > > I expect Sun employees to forward the blog URI directly to Jonathan > Schwartz. > I also expect Sun employees to back up their now former colleague > and show that they have spi

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Simon Phipps
On Nov 30, 2007, at 09:44, Ché Kristo wrote: > Are you talking about the changeset from 8 hours ago titled > "Restoring Sun approved governance" : https://opends.dev.java.net/ > source/browse/opends/trunk/www/public/docs/dev-docs/OpenDS- > Governance.html?rev=3475&r1=3475&r2=3474 ? That is t

Re: [osol-discuss] Middle management at Sun destroys OpenDS is OpenSolaris next?

2007-11-30 Thread Simon Phipps
On Nov 30, 2007, at 05:01, Shawn Walker wrote: > http://directorymanager.wordpress.com/2007/11/28/an-open-letter-to- > the-opends-community-and-to-sun-microsystems/ I've been investigating. Take a look at http://tinyurl.com/ys5hf3 - this was the change Neil et al made to the governance. All

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris-related parts going GPLv3?

2007-11-16 Thread Simon Phipps
On Nov 16, 2007, at 13:42, Joerg Schilling wrote: > "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On 15/11/2007, James Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Shawn Walker writes: For example, if I wanted to take the source code of the hypervisor manager and add bits and pieces of OpenS

Re: [osol-discuss] Push for Matlab on Solaris x86

2007-11-16 Thread Simon Hammond
Have you guys tried using something like Octave (a freeware MATLAB clone). It might not be MATLAB, buts its free. We've had luck with it on the Linux environment without many problems. A Solaris problem is available from http://www.sunfreeware.com I think. Si Hammond University of Warwick On 16

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris-related parts going GPLv3?

2007-11-15 Thread Simon Phipps
On Nov 15, 2007, at 11:40, Shawn Walker wrote: > http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2203486/sun-tiptoes-gplv3 > > According to VNUNet, Sun plans on a piece of server virtualisation > software as GPLv3. > > The article is also not clear as to whether xVM Server, a "trimmed > Solaris kernel, allowin

Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] Democracy and open source - nit - Re: Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Simon Phipps
On Nov 1, 2007, at 21:59, John Sonnenschein wrote: > the press releases What press releases? I am talking now to Terri Molini of Sun PR and there have been no press releases around the Indiana alpha. S. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opens

Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] Project Indiana milestone reached!

2007-11-01 Thread Simon Phipps
On Nov 1, 2007, at 20:43, John Levon wrote: > On Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 10:42:51AM -0700, Stephen Hahn wrote: > http://dlc.sun.com/osol/indiana/downloads/current/in-preview.iso >>> >>> Is this release freely redistributable? It seems not, right? >> >> It is. > > Yay - but the Binary Licens

Re: [osol-discuss] Name Change?

2007-11-01 Thread Simon Phipps
On Nov 1, 2007, at 20:49, Brandorr wrote: > The difference is that Netscape created a standalone foundation > (non-profit org). Another key difference is they were going out of business and threw the code over the wall for others to maintain*. That is not the situation here. S. * Rhetori

Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] screwdrivers - Re: [trademark-policy-dev] [indiana-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Simon Phipps
On Nov 1, 2007, at 20:22, Brandorr wrote: > Sun's distro, I realise that phrase reflects your viewpoint clearly, but may I suggest that using it the way you are to describe the work of the Indiana Project continues division rather than healing it? S. __

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Trust: Trademark, Sun and the Community

2007-11-01 Thread Simon Phipps
On Nov 1, 2007, at 18:49, John Sonnenschein wrote: > Indiana's just a developer preview, the name can be revoked for the > general release or next preview without causing too much harm Or, indeed, retained and permitted for other distros... S. ___ op

Re: [osol-discuss] Name Change?

2007-11-01 Thread Simon Phipps
On Nov 1, 2007, at 19:15, Brandorr wrote: > Pretty much the only > people who don't have an issue with the branding process are Sun > marketing and a few people defending them. Hey, I'm not saying I don't have an issue. But I am trying to be positive because we get to move on from where we are

Re: [osol-discuss] Name Change?

2007-11-01 Thread Simon Phipps
On Nov 1, 2007, at 16:37, S h i v wrote: > Neither of the 2 is a win-win situation > - The current situation > - Going independant without Sun's involvement Completely agree here. By the way (and not directed just at you), speaking of "Sun" as a decision-maker is unhelpful in my view. "Sun" i

Re: [osol-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [advocacy-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Simon Phipps
On Nov 1, 2007, at 15:32, Marty Duey wrote: > On 11/1/2007 9:25 AM, John Plocher wrote: > >> Joerg Schilling wrote: >> >>> So you like to call SchilliX OpenSolaris? >> >> >> >> Absolutely yes - one of my objectives in this branding effort is to >> find a way to allow this (or something similar).

Re: [osol-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [advocacy-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Simon Phipps
On Nov 1, 2007, at 15:25, John Plocher wrote: > Joerg Schilling wrote: >> So you like to call SchilliX OpenSolaris? > > > Absolutely yes - one of my objectives in this branding effort is to > find a way to allow this (or something similar). +1. We just have to make sure our proposal is one fidu

Re: [osol-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [advocacy-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Simon Phipps
On Nov 1, 2007, at 14:54, Alan Burlison wrote: > Simon Phipps wrote: > >>> That's a significant community-wide power. It's a big change, >>> without >>> regard to the trademark legal issues. >> >> Only if we sit around and leave it as-

Re: [osol-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [advocacy-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Simon Phipps
On Nov 1, 2007, at 14:38, James Carlson wrote: > Simon Phipps writes: >> >> On Nov 1, 2007, at 14:18, James Carlson wrote: >> >>> That's a significant community-wide power. It's a big change, >>> without >>> regard to the trademark le

Re: [osol-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [advocacy-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Simon Phipps
On Nov 1, 2007, at 14:18, James Carlson wrote: > That's a significant community-wide power. It's a big change, without > regard to the trademark legal issues. Only if we sit around and leave it as-is. You're speaking as if all decisions are made and final. That's not so. There's a stake in th

Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Simon Phipps
On Nov 1, 2007, at 13:35, James Carlson wrote: > For instance, one direct effect is that prior to Indiana, a project > was "in OpenSolaris" if it went through the established community > endorsement process, and no other change was needed. Now that > "OpenSolaris" is a distribution, the Indiana

Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Simon Phipps
[Follow-up to [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Nov 1, 2007, at 12:54, Alan Burlison wrote: > If someone has something concrete, can we please have a page set up > and > the link widely disseminated? Ta. http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php? title=Trademark_usage_and_Branding_guideline S. We rej

Re: [osol-discuss] [indiana-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [advocacy-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-11-01 Thread Simon Phipps
On Nov 1, 2007, at 02:01, Dennis Clarke wrote: >> So why not just create something that runs and call it OpenSolaris >> and then > we are done with the confusion. There are bigger battles to fight > than word > games. I could not agree more with you there, Dennis. We are where we are. And

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-10-31 Thread Simon Phipps
On Oct 31, 2007, at 22:09, Alan Burlison wrote: > Simon Phipps wrote: > >>> Who has the mandate to say when iteration is appropriate and when >>> the democratic process is appropriate? >> Oh, the irony :-) > > I wasn't being ironic. Well, actually...

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-10-31 Thread Simon Phipps
On Oct 31, 2007, at 21:57, Alan Burlison wrote: > Simon Phipps wrote: > >> Framing OpenSolaris as a republic, constitutional monarchy or >> other political system doesn't help much in my view. This is an >> open source community. The way it works is peop

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-10-31 Thread Simon Phipps
On Oct 31, 2007, at 21:23, Alan Burlison wrote: > The normal way a democracy works is Framing OpenSolaris as a republic, constitutional monarchy or other political system doesn't help much in my view. This is an open source community. The way it works is people do stuff collectively toget

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name

2007-10-31 Thread Simon Phipps
[Reply-to points at [EMAIL PROTECTED] where I suggest we focus discussion] On Oct 31, 2007, at 20:16, Alan Burlison wrote: > What will be the point of having a vote on something that is a fait > accompli? That's a very negative way to frame things, in my view. We are in a time of change, and

Re: [osol-discuss] Status of an OpenHardware Sparc project

2007-09-25 Thread Simon Phipps
On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:53, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > If we like to use the CPU for workstations, 64 bit would be nice, > but there is > a bigger market for embeddded systems in 32 bits. Unless someone > pays for the > project, it seems to make more sense to target to the embedded > market a

Re: [osol-discuss] Status of an OpenHardware Sparc project

2007-09-25 Thread Simon Phipps
On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:23, Joerg Schilling wrote: > A Sparcv9 will not fint into the biggest FPGA today. It needs 2.5-3x > the chip space that a Sparcv8 needs. > > It is not only the registers but also the ALU. Seems Xilinx may be making an FPGA that's big enough now, at least for a single cor

Re: [osol-discuss] ATi Solaris drivers in our future?

2007-09-07 Thread Simon Phipps
On Sep 7, 2007, at 12:32, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: > On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 11:37 +0100, Alan Burlison wrote: >> Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: >> >>> Maybe I'm bitter and jaded because I'm fed up with the lack of >>> responsibility taken by the said parties. I'm sorry but if I >>> fobbed off >>> responsi

[osol-discuss] OS complains with "no left space on device" while there are enough free space

2007-08-02 Thread Simon
usr/local Filesystem iused ifree %iused Mounted on /dev/dsk/c1t1d0s66465258 3482011816% /usr/local How to fix it ? I've re-created the UFS filesystem and run fsck even. TIA. Best Rgds, Simon ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing

[osol-discuss] FW: USB disk at mini root

2007-08-02 Thread Murugathasan Simon
Hi Anybody who can help? Regards Simon Simon Murugathasan Customer Solution Architect Central Architecture and Design, FPM FUJITSU Lovelace Road, Bracknell, Berks, RG12 8SN Tel: +44 (0) 870 234 or internally 7302 8100 Mob: +44 (0) 778 715 1861 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http

[osol-discuss] OS complains with "no left space on device" while there are enough free space

2007-08-01 Thread Simon
usr/local Filesystem iused ifree %iused Mounted on /dev/dsk/c1t1d0s66465258 3482011816% /usr/local How to fix it ? I've re-created the UFS filesystem and run fsck even. TIA. Best Rgds, Simon ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing

Re: [osol-discuss] what is Jaz drive and Zip drive forSolaris 10?

2007-07-05 Thread Simon
Allen, Thanks for your quick reply,it's quite clean. Rgds, Simon On 7/6/07, Lu, Baolu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Gzip drive: > A high-capacity floppy disk drive developed by Iomega Corporation. Zip disks > are slightly larger than conventional floppy disks, a

[osol-discuss] [osol-discussion]what is Jaz drive and Zip drive for Solaris 10?

2007-07-05 Thread Simon
Gurus, I'm newer to Solaris 10,one question need your help: what is Jaz drive and Zip drive for Solaris 10? Thanks. Rgds, Simon ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Making OpenSolaris 501(c)(3) (Was Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris)

2007-06-27 Thread Simon Phipps
On Jun 27, 2007, at 18:11, Joerg Schilling wrote: Keith M Wesolowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2007 at 04:03:40PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: There's a *lot* of legwork involved with becoming a non-profit - be it a 501(c)3 like Apache or a 501(c)6 like Eclipse. To qual

Re: OpenSolaris as a seperate entity to Sun (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris)

2007-06-25 Thread Simon Phipps
On Jun 26, 2007, at 02:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sun going bust shouldn't disrupt OpenSolaris. Whether or not that will ever happen, who knows, but the two shouldn't be joined at the hip. The source code is forkable, GenUnix.org exists, we have a large, diverse membership as well as a s

Re: OpenSolaris as a seperate entity to Sun (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris)

2007-06-25 Thread Simon Phipps
On Jun 26, 2007, at 02:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't anyone in the least bit interested seeing OpenSolaris actually be able to employ people or pay for things itself rather than depend on the good will of Sun to do it all? OK, I'm confused. Earlier you asserted that open source was all a

[osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris

2007-06-25 Thread Simon Phipps
I would like to suggest follow-up is directed solely to advocacy- discuss (I have set reply-to). On Jun 26, 2007, at 01:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And yes, I feel that some kind of prize or reward is essential, otherwise we don't stand a very good chance of getting the right result unless

[osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris

2007-06-25 Thread Simon Phipps
I would like to suggest follow-up is directed solely to advocacy- discuss (I have set reply-to). On Jun 26, 2007, at 01:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And yes, I feel that some kind of prize or reward is essential, otherwise we don't stand a very good chance of getting the right result unless

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [networking-discuss] Project now open: RBridges (IETF TRILL) on Solaris

2007-06-25 Thread Simon Phipps
On Jun 22, 2007, at 13:06, James Carlson wrote: First of all, the archives are open. Anyone can read them. And anyone can file a subscription request to be added to the list, and as long as the request is reasonable (and not "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"), I'll approve it. The list itself isn't hidden.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: Project Proposal - (what is/was Indiana)

2007-06-04 Thread Simon Phipps
On Jun 5, 2007, at 01:37, Keith M Wesolowski wrote: On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 12:23:30PM +1200, Glynn Foster wrote: So since the Desktop seemingly isn't relevant enough, I've gone and My personal feelings about relevance aren't worth a hill of beans. If the Desktop Group believes exploring t

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Project Proposal - (what is/was Indiana)

2007-05-31 Thread Simon Phipps
On May 31, 2007, at 15:24, Brian Gupta wrote: One other comment. Generally, a project proposal, would be posted to the interested communities for comment, before being submitted fait acompli to the OGB. (I have cc'ed in those communities that I think, at a minimum, should be included Actually

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Project Proposal - (what is/was Indiana)

2007-05-31 Thread Simon Phipps
On May 31, 2007, at 13:36, James Carlson wrote: I don't think anyone is saying that you can't create a distribution yourself without bothering with any project, community, or governing board. You can. Knock yourself out. But that's not what's happening. If a Sun-sponsored team went off out

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