Re: [osol-discuss] [zfs-discuss] zfs related google summer of code ideas - your vote

2009-03-04 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 02:16:53PM -0600, Wes Felter wrote: > T10 UNMAP/thin provisioning support in zvols That's probably simple enough, and sufficiently valuable too. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] [zfs-discuss] zfs related google summer of code ideas - your vote

2009-03-03 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 11:35:40PM +0200, "C. Bergström" wrote: > 7) vdev evacuation as an upgrade path (which may depend or take > advantage of zfs resize/shrink code) IIRC Matt Ahrens has said on this list that vdev evacuation/pool shrinking is being worked. So (7) would be duplication of ef

Re: [osol-discuss] [indiana-discuss] why gnu chmod in os2008.11?

2009-01-16 Thread Nicolas Williams
> > If the Solaris commands become a superset of the Gnu ones, then that > > position becomes a fait accompli. > > Thus avoiding the entire question of whether or not that's the best - > or even a desirable - goal. Not quite -- there are conflicts between the commands themselves. For example, GN

Re: [osol-discuss] [indiana-discuss] why gnu chmod in os2008.11?

2009-01-16 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 02:21:17PM -0800, Brock Pytlik wrote: > Nicolas Williams wrote: > >Can't it be in entire? > > > It is in entire, but that doesn't mean it's part of the default > installation. I believe it was removed from the default install beca

Re: [osol-discuss] [indiana-discuss] why gnu chmod in os2008.11?

2009-01-16 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 02:16:45PM -0800, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Nicolas Williams wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 03:26:20PM -0600, Shawn Walker wrote: > >> tcsh is not a core Solaris package and media is not of an infinite size. > >> Software has to be select

Re: [osol-discuss] [indiana-discuss] why gnu chmod in os2008.11?

2009-01-16 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 03:26:20PM -0600, Shawn Walker wrote: > tcsh is not a core Solaris package and media is not of an infinite size. > Software has to be selected to fit on the core media based on certain > goals. Everyone has their own favourite software that probably isn't > installed b

Re: [osol-discuss] [indiana-discuss] why gnu chmod in os2008.11?

2009-01-16 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 04:14:01PM -0500, Dave Miner wrote: > >> My opinion is that the GNU utilities should be modified, with > >> modifications fed back upstream ... > > > > Sometimes that doesn't work. GRUB is a good example. > > > > I don't know whether GRUB is a good example, as I'm not up

Re: [osol-discuss] [indiana-discuss] why gnu chmod in os2008.11?

2009-01-16 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 12:52:33PM -0600, Brian Smith wrote: > Nicolas Williams wrote: > > The Indiana team evidently want GNU utils be preferred, and evidently > > would like to see the compatibility issues with Solaris utils fixed. > > > > I see no problem with that

Re: [osol-discuss] [indiana-discuss] why gnu chmod in os2008.11?

2009-01-16 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 01:56:45PM -0500, Sebastien Roy wrote: > On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 10:28 -0800, Glenn Lagasse wrote: > > * Brian Utterback (brian.utterb...@sun.com) wrote: > > > It is simple. Do we want the default environment to be a Solaris one or a > > > GNU one? If you want both, you have

Re: [osol-discuss] [indiana-discuss] why gnu chmod in os2008.11?

2009-01-16 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:37:09AM +0100, "C. Bergström" wrote: > This thread seems to have become unproductive.. Can one of the /leaders/ > (if there are any around) please bring this back on track, move this in > private or end it. I agree. A religious war about GNU vs. Solaris isn't going to

Re: [osol-discuss] [indiana-discuss] why gnu chmod in os2008.11?

2009-01-16 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 01:05:42PM -0500, Brian Utterback wrote: > It is simple. Do we want the default environment to be a Solaris one > or a GNU one? If you want both, you have to provide a knob to switch > them back and forth. I agree, but that knob should be made to work via shell startup s

Re: [osol-discuss] [indiana-discuss] why gnu chmod in os2008.11?

2009-01-15 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 04:31:03PM +0100, I. Szczesniak wrote: > I believe it is a mistake to concentrate on the GNU coreutils tools. > Opensolaris would alienate users from OSX and BSD platforms with an > API which roughly changes every six months. It'd be better if > Opensolaris starts its own So

Re: [osol-discuss] [indiana-discuss] why gnu chmod in os2008.11?

2009-01-14 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 09:36:05PM +0100, Jan Friedel wrote: > RBAC related: > Since I'm using the /usr/xpg4/bin path as the primary one, I was > little bit confused, that, event thought I have the "Object > Access Management" profile applied on my account, I'm not able >

Re: [osol-discuss] [indiana-discuss] why gnu chmod in os2008.11?

2009-01-14 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:51:26AM -0800, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > The known bad interactions with GNU utilities in the default path have been > tracked so far at: > http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/showdependencytree.cgi?id=576&hide_resolved=0 Thanks. It looks like ls(1) and chmod(1) vis-a-vis

Re: [osol-discuss] [indiana-discuss] why gnu chmod in os2008.11?

2009-01-14 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:15:33AM +0100, casper@sun.com wrote: > > >hello all, > >i'm surprised that gnu chmod is installed, what are the advantages > >comparing to solaris chmod? > >It's very annoying when using ACLs. > > No reason; several of the GNU utilities are broken in some way in So

Re: [osol-discuss] SRP target project

2008-12-18 Thread Nicolas Williams
[HTML e-mail on OpenSolaris discuss lists? Ugh. It doesn't display right in the archives, btw: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-discuss/2008-December/044500.html http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-discuss/attachments/20081218/e2e8cb3a/attachment.html ] On Thu, De

Re: [osol-discuss] SRP target project

2008-12-18 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 09:42:37PM +0200, Cyril Plisko wrote: > On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Nicolas Williams > wrote: > > > I was mystified too. I think SRP is too confusable. I recommend a > > different acronym. What's wrong with "iSER" as a projec

Re: [osol-discuss] SRP target project

2008-12-18 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 01:15:35PM -0600, Shawn Walker wrote: > Dan Maslowski wrote: > >Folks, > > > >We have posted preliminary binaries and documents to the > >http://opensolaris.org/os/project/srp web page. We are in the process of > >stepping though the code and compiling for sparc etc W

Re: [osol-discuss] [indiana-discuss] FF3 stability and performance concerns

2008-10-31 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 09:13:46PM +1300, Ian Collins wrote: > That's an odd comment, considering most reviews of FF3 I've seen > commends it for being both faster and leaking less memory tan its > predecessor. See: 6755391 sqlite3 should not be built with SQLITE_DEBUG; uses access(2) too often,

Re: [osol-discuss] [cifs-discuss] Windows<->Solaris Name Service Cooperation?

2008-06-19 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:10:49PM -0400, Kyle McDonald wrote: > Nicolas Williams wrote: > >OK then the prescription is: > > > > - setup a Unix nameservice for the Solaris and Linux systems I should point out here too that your NFSv3 clients don't strictly need a Unix

Re: [osol-discuss] [cifs-discuss] Windows<->Solaris Name Service Cooperation?

2008-06-18 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 06:40:05PM -0400, Kyle McDonald wrote: > >So, what are you trying to do? > > > I need to setup a new farm of software build servers. They'll consist of > all different versions of Linux (multiple versions of RHEL, and SLES) > and a few S10 for building our software. > I

Re: [osol-discuss] [cifs-discuss] Windows<->Solaris Name Service Cooperation?

2008-06-18 Thread Nicolas Williams
BTW, for more information on how to use AD SFU as a Unix LDAP nameservice see: http://blogs.sun.com/baban/entry/solaris_10_and_active_directory ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] [cifs-discuss] Windows<->Solaris Name Service Cooperation?

2008-06-18 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 04:39:52PM -0400, Kyle McDonald wrote: > Is SFU required to use only NFSv3 between Solaris Machines? No. A Unix name service is strongly implied. That could be SFU. > >No interop with Linux with NFSv3. Try using CIFS. > > > But Linux SMB mounts are done as a single Us

Re: [osol-discuss] [cifs-discuss] Windows<->Solaris Name Service Cooperation?

2008-06-18 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:37:16AM -0500, Nicolas Williams wrote: > On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 06:53:08AM -0400, Kyle McDonald wrote: > > >> as a Domain Controller? > > > > > >No. > > > > > That's OK. B

Re: [osol-discuss] [cifs-discuss] Windows<->Solaris Name Service Cooperation?

2008-06-18 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 06:53:08AM -0400, Kyle McDonald wrote: > >> as a Domain Controller? > > > >No. > > > That's OK. But (liking Solaris as much as I do,) it seems a shame to > leave Windows as the only system that can be the authoritative source >

Re: [osol-discuss] [cifs-discuss] Windows<->Solaris Name Service Cooperation?

2008-06-17 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 01:43:46PM -0400, Kyle McDonald wrote: > The part I'm fuzzy on are the nameservies interoperation. I know the > CIFS server required a bunch of work to deal with windows user and > groups for file ownership and access control. What is new in Solaris > though for shareing

Re: [osol-discuss] How a (wrong) accent can lock you out of your server

2008-05-23 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 01:10:15PM +0200, Nico Sabbi wrote: > I'd like to point out this stupidity in the localization of scp/ssh, > that can have *VERY* dangerous consequences (like being > locked out of your server). > > At the first connection ssh asks you if you want to continue the > connecti

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Nameclash on svn_77 because Sun is ignoring PSARC discussions

2007-12-19 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 08:24:36PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Darren J Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It obviously doesn't work then because freshmeat.net lists both star and > > ImageMagic. > > I see no relation between imagemagic and star. What is your problem? Darren is saying

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Nameclash on svn_77 because Sun is ignoring PSARC discussions

2007-12-19 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 06:43:02PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Nicolas Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It most definitely does depend on you since noone is getting paid to do > > it and noone is volunteering to do it either, which leaves you as the > > part

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Nameclash on svn_77 because Sun is ignoring PSARC discussions

2007-12-19 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 06:36:13PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > It happened. Oh well. Now you might want to finish the task of > > integrating star before someone appropriates that command name for > > something else... :/ > > This does not depend on me as I am ready and waiting sice quite

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Nameclash on svn_77 because Sun is ignoring PSARC discussions

2007-12-19 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 05:56:49PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > Or you could rename your compare to something else that conflicts > > neither with the existing cmp(1) nor the new compare(1) (yes, it came in > > before yours and now you're not happy; c'est la vie). ecmp, fcmp, ... > > four le

Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Nameclash on svn_77 because Sun is ignoring PSARC discussions

2007-12-19 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 04:45:19PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Darren J Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I believe Paul was suggesting that you could *now* use the knowledge you > > gained in writing your compare(1) to improved the now available in > > source form cmp(1) ? As some other

Re: [osol-discuss] Nameclash on svn_77 because Sun is ignoring PSARC discussions

2007-12-14 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 08:35:33PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: > As long as it it impossible to implement the arc decisions in OpenSolaris, > OpenSolaris cannot evolve. You've jumped the shark. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@

Re: [osol-discuss] Nameclash on svn_77 because Sun is ignoring PSARC discussions

2007-12-14 Thread Nicolas Williams
Jörg seems to want the ARC and c-teams to use a different method than they use today for deciding when some utility (or library, or whatever) name is a conflict with another existing one. I recommend that Jörg make a proposal for such a change without making such a proposal specific to his trouble

Re: [osol-discuss] Nameclash on svn_77 because Sun is ignoring PSARC discussions

2007-12-14 Thread Nicolas Williams
I'd set Reply-To so your replies, if any, would go to opensolaris-discuss, not psarc-ext. One more try. Again, don't reply to me directly please. On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 06:42:58PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Nicolas Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why a

Re: [osol-discuss] Nameclash on svn_77 because Sun is ignoring PSARC discussions

2007-12-14 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 05:55:52PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Joep Vesseur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 12/14/07 12:58, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > > The real compare is 20 years older and I did _warn_ _before_ the name > > > appeared > > > in /usr/bin. For this reason, this is an importa

Re: [osol-discuss] [security-discuss] New passwd switch?

2007-11-27 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 07:23:35AM -0800, Gary Winiger wrote: > Secondly, Craig has hired someone to work on SMC. Once he gets > up to speed, one of the tasks I've got planned for him is > a general key=value extension so SMC will not continue to block > work that needs to

[osol-discuss] Re: [networking-discuss] Project Proposal: Virtual Network Machines

2007-05-17 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Thu, May 17, 2007 at 09:34:29AM -0700, David Bustos wrote: > Quoth Nicolas Droux on Wed, May 16, 2007 at 11:00:30PM -0600: > > On behalf of the Networking Community I'd like to propose the > > creation of a new OpenSolaris project: Virtual Network Machines. > > > > The project will exploit Op

Re: [Security-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Proposal for new OpenSolaris project: modernise syslogd

2006-06-13 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Tue, Jun 13, 2006 at 08:13:05AM -0700, Gary Winiger wrote: > > They don't duplicate the info in the syslog files though? > > Just to this point. Solaris Audit records a local binary > file (possibly remote via NFS). > In parallel it will write some subset of that file >

Re: [networking-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Proposal for new OpenSolaris project: modernise syslogd

2006-06-09 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 05:53:17PM -0400, James Carlson wrote: > > Oh! Well then... But those deal in structured data also... > > It's a bit different in that you have to specify enterpriseId in order > to get to a parsed message content, as opposed to just meta > information. The rest seems (a

Re: [networking-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Proposal for new OpenSolaris project: modernise syslogd

2006-06-09 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 05:18:18PM -0400, James Carlson wrote: > Nicolas Williams writes: > > > Failing to produce those sorts of schema leaves you with just a > > > handful of code numbers plus free-form text wrapped prettily in XML. > > > > Each message could

Re: [networking-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Proposal for new OpenSolaris project: modernise syslogd

2006-06-09 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 04:58:27PM -0400, James Carlson wrote: > It depends on whether there is in fact a solid problem out there that > this solves. I'm unconvinced on that. Giving message integrity to > syslog seems a bit wobbly to me, but I guess I can see why someone > might want that. Provi

Re: [networking-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Proposal for new OpenSolaris project: modernise syslogd

2006-06-09 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 04:35:13PM -0400, James Carlson wrote: > Nicolas Williams writes: > > Are you speaking of the protocol? > > Both of the files and the applications that use syslog. The protocol > itself is well enough defined. > > > The IETF SYSLOG WG is chart

Re: [networking-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Proposal for new OpenSolaris project: modernise syslogd

2006-06-09 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 05:09:27PM +0530, Moinak Ghosh wrote: > Also I'd like suggest augmenting the API with an improved variant > of openlog() (openlog_r() ?) that fixes current issues relating to thread > safety and dlopen risks. +100 ___ opensolaris-

Re: [networking-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Proposal for new OpenSolaris project: modernise syslogd

2006-06-09 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 10:58:09PM +0800, Darren Reed wrote: > If there is any evolution of the log file format, it will > be to use XML. [...] Sure, but the schema will have to be influenced by what the IETF SYSLOG WG ends up doing w.r.t. structured messages.

Re: [networking-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Proposal for new OpenSolaris project: modernise syslogd

2006-06-09 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 12:12:33PM -0400, James Carlson wrote: > Instead, syslog is a great dumping ground for all sorts of debug and > human-only messages, and will likely be treated that way indefinitely. > I would oppose an effort to apply structure on top of something that > is inherently witho

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Re: I wish Sun would open-source "QFS"... / was:Re: Re: Distributed File System for Solaris

2006-05-31 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 06:19:16AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The requirement is not that inodes and data are separate; the requirement > is a specific upperbound to disk transactions. The question therefor > is not "when will ZFS be able to separate inods and data"; the question > is when

[osol-discuss] Re: [zfs-discuss] OSOL mailing list issues

2006-05-12 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 02:28:42PM -0700, Derek Cicero wrote: > >E.g., a post from Eric Schrock from May 5, 2006, with message ID > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > OK, based on this message ID, it did not come twice to the same list. It > came once to the zfs list on 5/5 and was cross posted to the nfs

[osol-discuss] Re: Having to subscribe to post considered obnoxious (Re: [zfs-discuss] OSOL mailing list issues)

2006-05-12 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 02:13:37PM -0700, Derek Cicero wrote: > Yes, the future goal is to allow all registered users to post to all > lists, however this requires us to re-write parts of mailman. The folks > working on the SCM app right now should be able to turn their attention > to the mailm

[osol-discuss] Having to subscribe to post considered obnoxious (Re: [zfs-discuss] OSOL mailing list issues)

2006-05-12 Thread Nicolas Williams
Also, I'm getting tired of replying to some e-mail only to get a "post awaits moderator approval" reply. I understand why we do that for non-subscribers. And I guess we wouldn't want to by default treat @sun.com posters as permitted to post w/o moderation. But it's bloody obnoxious. I don't wan

[osol-discuss] Re: [zfs-discuss] OSOL mailing list issues

2006-05-12 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 10:29:53AM -0700, Derek Cicero wrote: > Nicolas Williams wrote: > > >The ZFS discuss list is re-delivering old messages. > > Which message(s) was redelivered? E.g., a post from Eric Schrock from May 5, 2006, with message ID <[EMAIL PROTECTE

[osol-discuss] OSOL mailing list issues

2006-05-12 Thread Nicolas Williams
The ZFS discuss list is re-delivering old messages. Have the problems with the archives been fixed? Nico -- ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] Archives missing e-mails Re: [Security-discuss] how to prevent "su - " from root

2006-04-18 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 02:30:29PM +0800, Wuming Shi wrote: > hi, > how can I disable the root from "su - " to become ? currently > the root can su to without password, so it's not safe to this > user. This thread is not showing up on the OpenSolaris discuss archive... The mailman archives has i

[osol-discuss] Re: Project proposal: Nevada Companion Software

2006-04-13 Thread Nicolas Williams
> I perceive that the OpenSolaris project is about > opening the source > to Solaris. > The problem is that Solaris is a product. > That product wants to now include Apache, MySQL, > PostgreSQL and > a number of other things. These did not all exist > in Solaris 8 > and certainly SeaMonkey,

[osol-discuss] Project Proposal: RENO

2006-04-07 Thread Nicolas Williams
e selected according to user's user_attr(4) entries, with defaults provided by profiles listed in policy.conf(4). The initial leaders of this project would be: